Djinn & Islamic spirits

[ArchonLynx]

Anyone ever work with them through cursed/concentrated objects & anything one should know before interacting with them?

 

[Amadeus]

I don't know whether this reply is of any use to your not but might as well share it.

If you for example acquire from somewhere one of those special pious jinn/khodam rings or amulets, a concentrated one. Something I was told by a friend is that such items should not be taken into the bathroom at all. One guy took it with him into a bathroom and something bad immediately happened to him. He was told not to do it but he forgot. Now this is provided that you actually are able to get a concentrated pious jinn/khodam ring or amulet. There are others too, connected to more darker jinn efreet and such entities, don't know much about that.

Some of the concentrated items require a person to read a special number of Quranic verses or chapters to keep them charged. This is done either daily or every week, every x days. There are such jinn/khodams that expect you to honor the daily 5x prayers, follow the Quran. Then the expected results, outcomes come your way.

I don't know much about the items except what some Sufi friends have told me. I never had any of such items. I do have a lot of experience working with the Quran and the verses so I can tell you about some verse work if you want. Such as the methods how to connect with the khodams. Most of them are very tedious though and require a lot of work. I'd say insane amount of work, spamming chapters and verses in tens and hundreds of thousands. Some methods are more simple though but still require a few hours a day.

 

[Parallax]

I would be interested to know more on these topics. Sufis are the go to for this?

 

[Amadeus]

I would be interested to know more on these topics. Sufis are the go to for this?

Yes the Sufis know about making concencrated ones. Not all of them though. The average "mureed" somebody who learns under the guidance of a shaykh doesn't know much, they do the daily wird (prayer rules which consist of dhikrs, readings of the Quran and so on), attend hadra services, and the khawajgan something, not sure how it's called, this is also some group event. Services that fill them with a lot of energy, weekly services.

I spoke to some more who said that the key is to unlock the servitor of a verse or a chapter. Either by following some ritual or dedicating a lot of time on a particular verse, chapter, dhikr (mantra), then something is supposed to show up. The first option might be to read a chapter x times per day for x days. Maybe a verse that must be recited thousands of times for x days. The second option is more freestyle but will catch the attention. Both of the methods require a lot of dedication, devotion. Many of these rituals take 7-40-90 days, 3-8 hours a day.

There's nearly no information online about the rituals. Lots of this is passed on from person to person.

Some kept insisting that the "khodam" servant can give you the ring/talisman after it appears in your room, or the knowledge how to make the concencrated ring/talisman.
If you could unlock a "khodam" servant and communicate with it, one leads to another. Then you get connected to more and receive knowledge. Many of the Sufis strive for this goal, they want to unlock the first one.
The khodam stays around you and expects you to stay on the level. When they are unlocked through a ritual and a contract is made, energy has to be raised through recitations every week/month/x days, for this you get benefits.

A sufi suggested me to work with "la ilaha illallah", I read it a lot for a while. Then somebody showed up in my dreams and told me about helping me with some x goals. Suddenly I got various results, coincidences started happening. Then I experimented with the 99 names, Rahman, Raheem. "Ya Rahmanu & Ya Raheemu", something similar happened. The recitation of verses, chapters and the dhikrs, most definitely gets you connected, gives results. When they show up in your dreams, these dreams are crystal clear, and you can remember everything when you wake up. I experimented with many verses, prayers from the Quran, sufi practices.
While I could get them to show up in my dreams, they never showed up in the room as some claim. Sufism has always been more of a side project for me.

Some of the verses and chapters which are used to unlock something. The last 2 of the 9th chapter, the kursi verse. Chapters such as the 73 muzzamil, 112 ikhlas. Specific duas, the long dua kursi, litany of the sea (Bahr), Jaljalut, the sword prayer Saifi. The salawats (blessings sent on the prophet), main dhikrs, la ilaha illallah, ayat e Kareema. This stuff is very potent, the effects are very good. Bear in my mind that some duas are so hot that without enoguh experience they will fry your mind. I can share some info if you want on the number of recitations and methods.

I was told also that the Shams al maarif includes information on some rituals, concencrated items, however supposedly the book is not "complete" and some key points have been left out. I can't comment on this as I can't speak Arabic to read it.

 

[Parallax]

That’s very interesting, I would be interested in knowing more.

 

[Amadeus]

There is something called abjad? or gematria? calculators that are used to find the numeric values of verses. Then the verses are read to "unlock" them. I'm not sure based on what the number of days comes from but I heard that many must be done for either 40 or 41 days. I know the significance of the number 40, it's mentioned in the bible and Zohar and so on. The sufi rituals also have this strange 40 and for some reason 41.

Maybe a verse has a numeric value of 3123 something then it is read 3123 a day.

The keyword to make contact with something like this is spam. Spam and more spam. The problem is that without a good teacher, you risk messing up your mind with these practices. People think that they are doing the right thing by combining together something from the 99 names (example) and then suddenly their minds go chaotic and they aren't feeling normal anymore.

I've even heard about some guy who got spiritual issues by following what the shaykh told him. Came out the practices did not suit him at all.

When we speak about the verses and chapters. Some of them are referred to as jalali (hot) others as jamali (cold). Example, you could fully focus on the hot dhikr of la ilaha illallah and attempt to connect with the "khodams" behind it. It makes the energies go through you, opens you spiritually, makes you more sensitive and brings them near you. Reading it between 2 to 5k per hour, even 6k can be done if you are very fast. Hours at time aiming for the goals, 70000, 125000 over and over again, then you go into millions. You draw the attention and it's guaranteed that something is going to show up and you will get the benefits of all kinds too.

Provided that you end up getting one of those servants to communicate with you in a proper way, I suppose you could get all the required information on how to make those concencrated things directly from them. They, the sufis, claim that this is how it works, everybody told me the same thing. Spam spam and more spam.

It's a very long story and you must be highly interested in sufism, the Quran and the muslim prayers to get anywhere with this path. if your goal of course is to work with the pious jinn and the servants from there. There are other paths that deal with the darker ones, don't know much about that.

 

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[Parallax]

There is something called abjad? or gematria? calculators that are used to find the numeric values of verses. Then the verses are read to "unlock" them. I'm not sure based on what the number of days comes from but I heard that many must be done for either 40 or 41 days. I know the significance of the number 40, it's mentioned in the bible and Zohar and so on. The sufi rituals also have this strange 40 and for some reason 41.

Maybe a verse has a numeric value of 3123 something then it is read 3123 a day.

The keyword to make contact with something like this is spam. Spam and more spam. The problem is that without a good teacher, you risk messing up your mind with these practices. People think that they are doing the right thing by combining together something from the 99 names (example) and then suddenly their minds go chaotic and they aren't feeling normal anymore.

I've even heard about some guy who got spiritual issues by following what the shaykh told him. Came out the practices did not suit him at all.

When we speak about the verses and chapters. Some of them are referred to as jalali (hot) others as jamali (cold). Example, you could fully focus on the hot dhikr of la ilaha illallah and attempt to connect with the "khodams" behind it. It makes the energies go through you, opens you spiritually, makes you more sensitive and brings them near you. Reading it between 2 to 5k per hour, even 6k can be done if you are very fast. Hours at time aiming for the goals, 70000, 125000 over and over again, then you go into millions. You draw the attention and it's guaranteed that something is going to show up and you will get the benefits of all kinds too.

Provided that you end up getting one of those servants to communicate with you in a proper way, I suppose you could get all the required information on how to make those concencrated things directly from them. They, the sufis, claim that this is how it works, everybody told me the same thing. Spam spam and more spam.

It's a very long story and you must be highly interested in sufism, the Quran and the muslim prayers to get anywhere with this path. if your goal of course is to work with the pious jinn and the servants from there. There are other paths that deal with the darker ones, don't know much about that.

This sounds like a classic obsession technique(liber nul&psychonauts. It to focus the mind so absolutely that it connects to the form (platonic concept of perfect idea of things)or perhaps more broadly a being within the sphere of that form.
I had similar experiences with obsessive techniques, thought they were not something I aimed to do intentionally.
For something like that it may be good to practice basic mental control techniques and create an invocation of the thing you wish to connect with. That is in addition to practice.
That is all to simply become so much purer in attainment of it.

 

[Missterry]

Islam was invented or came into being around 600AD. Long before Islam was around the Djinn were nature spirits and understood as such by the pre-Islamic Arabs. Nature spirits such as the spirits of forests, deserts, rivers, mountains, and places. Things we would call stuff like "fairies," "gnomes," "elves," and so on. Or things the ancient Latin speaking Romans once called spirits like Dyads, etc. The old Latin term for the spirit of places was once "Genius Locus." Being that the Roman Empire was large and includes many parts of Arabia and the Levant, which Rome ruled for hundreds of years, it's not hard to see that the Latin word Genii and the word Jin, Djin, are related. Our word Genie as in a genie in a bottle, is also related to those two words.

When Islam was brought to Indonesia, the Muslims brought with them their form of magic and sorcery, which included working with the Djinn. The Indonesians will often make amulets drawn on cloth and invoke a Jin to help empower the amulet. They will also make black magic items to curse a person and a Jin will be called to enter the black magic item or object.

When you understand what the Djinn are or were before Islam - nature spirits - you will see that all human cultures that are animistic, shamanic, and so on worked with the same nature spirits and still do.

 

[raaz]

C

Yes the Sufis know about making concencrated ones. Not all of them though. The average "mureed" somebody who learns under the guidance of a shaykh doesn't know much, they do the daily wird (prayer rules which consist of dhikrs, readings of the Quran and so on), attend hadra services, and the khawajgan something, not sure how it's called, this is also some group event. Services that fill them with a lot of energy, weekly services.

I spoke to some more who said that the key is to unlock the servitor of a verse or a chapter. Either by following some ritual or dedicating a lot of time on a particular verse, chapter, dhikr (mantra), then something is supposed to show up. The first option might be to read a chapter x times per day for x days. Maybe a verse that must be recited thousands of times for x days. The second option is more freestyle but will catch the attention. Both of the methods require a lot of dedication, devotion. Many of these rituals take 7-40-90 days, 3-8 hours a day.

There's nearly no information online about the rituals. Lots of this is passed on from person to person.

Some kept insisting that the "khodam" servant can give you the ring/talisman after it appears in your room, or the knowledge how to make the concencrated ring/talisman.
If you could unlock a "khodam" servant and communicate with it, one leads to another. Then you get connected to more and receive knowledge. Many of the Sufis strive for this goal, they want to unlock the first one.
The khodam stays around you and expects you to stay on the level. When they are unlocked through a ritual and a contract is made, energy has to be raised through recitations every week/month/x days, for this you get benefits.

A sufi suggested me to work with "la ilaha illallah", I read it a lot for a while. Then somebody showed up in my dreams and told me about helping me with some x goals. Suddenly I got various results, coincidences started happening. Then I experimented with the 99 names, Rahman, Raheem. "Ya Rahmanu & Ya Raheemu", something similar happened. The recitation of verses, chapters and the dhikrs, most definitely gets you connected, gives results. When they show up in your dreams, these dreams are crystal clear, and you can remember everything when you wake up. I experimented with many verses, prayers from the Quran, sufi practices.
While I could get them to show up in my dreams, they never showed up in the room as some claim. Sufism has always been more of a side project for me.

Some of the verses and chapters which are used to unlock something. The last 2 of the 9th chapter, the kursi verse. Chapters such as the 73 muzzamil, 112 ikhlas. Specific duas, the long dua kursi, litany of the sea (Bahr), Jaljalut, the sword prayer Saifi. The salawats (blessings sent on the prophet), main dhikrs, la ilaha illallah, ayat e Kareema. This stuff is very potent, the effects are very good. Bear in my mind that some duas are so hot that without enoguh experience they will fry your mind. I can share some info if you want on the number of recitations and methods.

I was told also that the Shams al maarif includes information on some rituals, concencrated items, however supposedly the book is not "complete" and some key points have been left out. I can't comment on this as I can't speak Arabic to read it.

an you explain how to use Surah 112?

 

[Amadeus]

Surah 112

There is this quote
Whoever recites Surah Al-Ikhlas 100,000 times buys themselves from Allah, and it is announced in heaven and earth that they are set free.

One method is going for 100K times, this can trigger something to come. It is one of those non aggressive methods where they are not exactly forced to come and will show up by their own will. This means reading a lot of 112 daily. It is short like a mantra, only consists of a few lines. For a good connection you would have to do very long sessions like 6-8 hours or so.
The servants could show up in your room, you could feel and hear them or see them in dreams. These dreams are very unique and "HD quality", something you will remember down to the smallest details. You could be in a contact in a half asleep state and hear everything.

The 112 has interesting servants and jinn connected to it. This verse is one of the most read ones and I think most muslims read it daily in their prayers.

112, very fast recitations take 4-5 seconds, slower 6-7. Doing it at 6s and 100K times takes 166 hours and 40 minutes.
166.67 ÷ 8 hours a day = 20.83 days. Maybe going slower, you could fit it in the traditional 40, many of these rituals take 40-41 days.


There is the method of reading it at nights some 1005x times and asking for the servant to come forward. In these cases the names are given by them. "Oooo servant of the verse, come forward and help me/speak".

The problem with 112 and many other verses is that the energy is highly specific. If you are into some other practices then it could turn into a mess. Quran verses, dhikr and the 99 names have highly specific energy. Since the processing is very high over here, you better start off with something lighter than going for 100000 times right away.

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One method is focusing on 112 doing a retreat in seclusion where you just read it non stop all days long without counting anything. This also turns you into a "beacon" and you will get noticed. The same method is done with verses like the 2/255 9/128 and 9/129, dhikrs and 99 names. Counting something, only do it with beads counting the rounds. You do not want to do the live count mode, it is awful.

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There are more methods with the 112 but you should first learn to process the information and energy. You have to experiment and test it without breaking your mind. If you have not done anything like this before then definitely do not go for 6, 8 or more hours at once. It will not end well.

 

[juanitos]

This long recitations-mantra style- have long been used in hindu, buddhist religion..then also by the orthodox monks. It requires a lot of dedication and time involved each and every day in order to get some results..
The methods is basically the same...but the mantra/prayers are different...so the results are also different

 

[Amadeus]

the results are also different

These methods they can all make somebody show up if you are doing dedicated long sessions, going for streaks. With the increasing openness and both the overall connection and the connection to the verse or mantra, you will get something going.

The islamic ones for some people show up more easily, for some reason. Why, I don't know. Both the Hindu and Sufi guys have this thinking of chests and locks, keys. Something about unlocking and following formulas. A verse being read x times every day for x days. Calling it science, formulas.
Not just the Orthodox monks but also some Catholic orders are quite crazy about the recitations. Some of the Catholic orders are crazy about the psalms, rosary. You might have some maniac monk who reads the rosary all the time and he gets a lot out of it. Maybe he has spent 2-3 decades doing the same thing every day. It's like a zoo out there all kinds of monk species. Kinds and types.

 

[juanitos]

yep.. without this type of madness/dedication is absolutely impossible to get too far in your spiritual life..this is a fact!

 

[raaz]

There is this quote
Whoever recites Surah Al-Ikhlas 100,000 times buys themselves from Allah, and it is announced in heaven and earth that they are set free.

One method is going for 100K times, this can trigger something to come. It is one of those non aggressive methods where they are not exactly forced to come and will show up by their own will. This means reading a lot of 112 daily. It is short like a mantra, only consists of a few lines. For a good connection you would have to do very long sessions like 6-8 hours or so.
The servants could show up in your room, you could feel and hear them or see them in dreams. These dreams are very unique and "HD quality", something you will remember down to the smallest details. You could be in a contact in a half asleep state and hear everything.

The 112 has interesting servants and jinn connected to it. This verse is one of the most read ones and I think most muslims read it daily in their prayers.

112, very fast recitations take 4-5 seconds, slower 6-7. Doing it at 6s and 100K times takes 166 hours and 40 minutes.
166.67 ÷ 8 hours a day = 20.83 days. Maybe going slower, you could fit it in the traditional 40, many of these rituals take 40-41 days.


There is the method of reading it at nights some 1005x times and asking for the servant to come forward. In these cases the names are given by them. "Oooo servant of the verse, come forward and help me/speak".

The problem with 112 and many other verses is that the energy is highly specific. If you are into some other practices then it could turn into a mess. Quran verses, dhikr and the 99 names have highly specific energy. Since the processing is very high over here, you better start off with something lighter than going for 100000 times right away.

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One method is focusing on 112 doing a retreat in seclusion where you just read it non stop all days long without counting anything. This also turns you into a "beacon" and you will get noticed. The same method is done with verses like the 2/255 9/128 and 9/129, dhikrs and 99 names. Counting something, only do it with beads counting the rounds. You do not want to do the live count mode, it is awful.

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There are more methods with the 112 but you should first learn to process the information and energy. You have to experiment and test it without breaking your mind. If you have not done anything like this before then definitely do not go for 6, 8 or more hours at once. It will not end well.

I'm reading Hisbul Bahr daily, also Surah 112 41 times daily. my problem is I'm severely affected by Sihr, doing lot of dikr and supplications bring temporary relief