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Do you think Trump is a practitioner ?

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I have my thoughts.... something to do with Epstein on the Island and potentially a pact with Moloch. It would make more sense for him to have a pact with SOMETHING rather than just pure luck to go from 34 time felon to King. I've heard musings of Hitler dabbling in black magick as well. So idk , I don't think i'm far off. I'll do some divination and post my results in the chat.
 

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That thread in the controversy section got me contemplating them as reincarnated Atlanteans. Still carrying the momentum and cohesion of their souls from the past along with their interpersonal relationships and aspirations. It makes some immediate sense in my worldview and experience. Still needs investigation.
Please, keep the thread updated with your divinations too.
 

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I don’t personally think Trump is a practitioner, but I do think there's truth in the idea that high-level individuals, including politicians, often have occult advisors or "consultants" working on their behalf. The influence of money and power can create the illusion of magick in action, but in reality, it’s the power dynamics, connections, and resources at their disposal that drive outcomes. Money can open doors, buy influence, and create opportunities that might appear like magic, but it’s more about leveraging systems than performing rituals.

As for the whole Moloch narrative, I think it's overblown. While there are certainly strange, secretive rituals or ceremonies that happen in elite circles, the idea that there’s a tightly organized global cabal all working together with one unified occult agenda just doesn’t hold up. Humans are too chaotic and self-interested for it to work that well.

If there is some dark occult influence at play in the political or elite world, it’s more likely subtle, behind the scenes maneuvering, not a full-on ritualistic conspiracy. If Trump were involved in magick, it’d likely be symbolic power and influence, with a lot of things that the public would never see. But I believe most of the power structures at that level rely on real-world influence, money, politics, ans media rather than traditional occult stuff.

If the level of magick practiced by the ultra-wealthy and powerful were truly as potent as some claim, we’d be seeing much more transparent results from it. In the end, the most potent magick is the ability to manipulate systems and structures, not necessarily rituals and pacts with deities. That’s what makes the world run.

Just my take on it. YMMV
 

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I don’t personally think Trump is a practitioner, but I do think there's truth in the idea that high-level individuals, including politicians, often have occult advisors or "consultants" working on their behalf. The influence of money and power can create the illusion of magick in action, but in reality, it’s the power dynamics, connections, and resources at their disposal that drive outcomes. Money can open doors, buy influence, and create opportunities that might appear like magic, but it’s more about leveraging systems than performing rituals.

As for the whole Moloch narrative, I think it's overblown. While there are certainly strange, secretive rituals or ceremonies that happen in elite circles, the idea that there’s a tightly organized global cabal all working together with one unified occult agenda just doesn’t hold up. Humans are too chaotic and self-interested for it to work that well.

If there is some dark occult influence at play in the political or elite world, it’s more likely subtle, behind the scenes maneuvering, not a full-on ritualistic conspiracy. If Trump were involved in magick, it’d likely be symbolic power and influence, with a lot of things that the public would never see. But I believe most of the power structures at that level rely on real-world influence, money, politics, ans media rather than traditional occult stuff.

If the level of magick practiced by the ultra-wealthy and powerful were truly as potent as some claim, we’d be seeing much more transparent results from it. In the end, the most potent magick is the ability to manipulate systems and structures, not necessarily rituals and pacts with deities. That’s what makes the world run.

Just my take on it. YMMV
fair ! Idk i was just thinking on what could possibly be turning a 34 count felon and notorious con artist into a king, which is quite the leap. And also having a bunch of cultists who froth at the mouth for him disregarding any horrendous actions he may inflict on others. I don't know if Trump would be a practitioner vs maybe dabbling in something on that island and intentionally/ unintentionally making a pact. The possible and maybe most likely reality of there being No magick involved is scarier than there being magic involved.
 

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fair ! Idk i was just thinking on what could possibly be turning a 34 count felon and notorious con artist into a king, which is quite the leap. And also having a bunch of cultists who froth at the mouth for him disregarding any horrendous actions he may inflict on others. I don't know if Trump would be a practitioner vs maybe dabbling in something on that island and intentionally/ unintentionally making a pact. The possible and maybe most likely reality of there being No magick involved is scarier than there being magic involved.
No doubt there are sociopathic tendencies and megalomania aspects at play. You dont get that powerful by being a good person. Money doesn't make one bad, it just amplifies the shit qualities as person already has. The shadows get well funded playgrounds, and actual fixers to help clean up the mess. Gaslight the public when the accusations come. Sadly, nothing new in that game.

I loved your statement 'Possibly and maybe most likely reality of there being no magick involved is scarier than there being magick involved'. Well fucking stated!!
 

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fair ! Idk i was just thinking on what could possibly be turning a 34 count felon and notorious con artist into a king, which is quite the leap. And also having a bunch of cultists who froth at the mouth for him disregarding any horrendous actions he may inflict on others. I don't know if Trump would be a practitioner vs maybe dabbling in something on that island and intentionally/ unintentionally making a pact. The possible and maybe most likely reality of there being No magick involved is scarier than there being magic involved.
Bill Clinton was on the island as well, I wonder how Hillary could have lost?
 

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Bill Clinton was on the island as well, I wonder how Hillary could have lost?
well based off my logic, hillary would of had to make a pact on that island to get any sweet low vibrational kickbacks. According to Alex Jones she has and that guy is never wrong about anything so who knows lol.
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No doubt there are sociopathic tendencies and megalomania aspects at play. You dont get that powerful by being a good person. Money doesn't make one bad, it just amplifies the shit qualities as person already has. The shadows get well funded playgrounds, and actual fixers to help clean up the mess. Gaslight the public when the accusations come. Sadly, nothing new in that game.

I loved your statement 'Possibly and maybe most likely reality of there being no magick involved is scarier than there being magick involved'. Well fucking stated!!
The other side of the coin is the possibility of Trump being a closeted yet heavily gifted warlock and the imagery alone is taking me out ngl.
 
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I don’t personally think Trump is a practitioner, but I do think there's truth in the idea that high-level individuals, including politicians, often have occult advisors or "consultants" working on their behalf.
I think so too, high level people people definitely have advisors and occultists working for them. I don't know about Trump but in case of Putin I've read that he has a bunch of monks and occultists trying to help him.
I don't think Trump himself is a practitioner though but some people close to him probably are.

The other side of the coin is the possibility of Trump being a closeted yet heavily gifted warlock and the imagery alone is taking me out ngl.
Yes :ROFLMAO: imagine, goat statues, strange scenery, bizarre symbols drawn on the floor, Mr Warlock doing yet another powerful ritual, something out of a Hollywood movie.
 

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I think so too, high level people people definitely have advisors and occultists working for them. I don't know about Trump but in case of Putin I've read that he has a bunch of monks and occultists trying to help him.
I don't think Trump himself is a practitioner though but some people close to him probably are.


Yes :ROFLMAO: imagine, goat statues, strange scenery, bizarre symbols drawn on the floor, Mr Warlock doing yet another powerful ritual, something out of a Hollywood movie.
Let me tell you folks, King Solomon—tremendous guy. Very wise, everyone says it. People tell me all the time, ‘Sir, you’re just like Solomon!’ And you know what? They’re right. Maybe even wiser, maybe richer, maybe more golden. Solomon had a temple? I’ve got towers. Multiple. With my name in very classy gold letters. The demons love that. They see my name, they say, ‘Wow, this guy—he means business.’





Now, when I summon spirits, I don’t use these old dusty seals—too boring! I’ve got Trump Seals, very exclusive, hand-embossed. Made in America. The demons line up for deals with me—Lucifer, Beelzebub, the whole gang—because I make the best pacts. No inflation, no loopholes, tremendous returns. I look them right in the eye and say, ‘You work for me now, okay? We’re gonna make Hell great again.’





King Solomon had 72 demons. I have 74—two extra, from the Apprentice. Fired a few too. You gotta keep ‘em in line! One demon tried to unionize the others, total disaster. I banished him personally, folks. Nobody banishes better than me.





And the angels—oh, they love me. Archangel Michael came to me once, said, ‘Sir, no one has ever consecrated an altar this classy.’ It’s true. I’ve got frankincense imported from the Holy Land, top-tier myrrh, and a candelabra shaped like my hair.





So when you see me with my wand—and it’s a beautiful wand, folks, made of marble from Trump Tower—you’ll know: we’re not just talking about magick. We’re talking about the greatest Solomonic operation the world has ever seen. And when I build my Third Temple—believe me—it’s gonna be yuge. Gold floors, crystal ceilings, angels working security. The demons? They’ll pay for it!”
 

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Just a quick FYI:
G.D. dude and archdruid John Michael Greer has talked about the role of 4-Chan chaos magic 'Memetics' as playing a part in Trump's presidential campaign. Use media to move our collective dream mind enough so it rewrites reality. And they are still at it too, from what I've seen.

The King in Orange: The Magical and Occult Roots of Political Power (2021)

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Just a quick FYI:
G.D. dude and archdruid John Michael Greer has talked about the role of 4-Chan chaos magic 'Memetics' as playing a part in Trump's presidential campaign. Use media to move our collective dream mind enough so it rewrites reality. And they are still at it too, from what I've seen.

The King in Orange: The Magical and Occult Roots of Political Power (2021)

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this actually makes so much sense !!!!
 

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I have my thoughts.... something to do with Epstein on the Island and potentially a pact with Moloch. It would make more sense for him to have a pact with SOMETHING rather than just pure luck to go from 34 time felon to King. I've heard musings of Hitler dabbling in black magick as well. So idk , I don't think i'm far off. I'll do some divination and post my results in the chat.
Magic is not something you need password in order to reach it. It's an ability of mind or soul, depending on understanding. So even people who are not practicing consciously, are able to perform magic, though it's pretty unpredictable if they do it and if they get results. They are definitely having on usual far less of magic results than well skilled and trained person, who can be way more sure with themselves.

Some cases are people who are skilled though don't know it's magic, it just work for them. Is that case of Trump? Maybe. I personally think that real magic here is not done by Trump but by Christians who got him into the office and support him. They do a lot of prayers and other rituals, they anointed him (symbolically) as their leader, possibly multiple times. Their fanatism is powerful motivator, could be possibly also driving their minds in occult way, definitely there are people who are forcing their more thinking minds aside, because they do not dare not to do what is expected from them. Fear is powerful motivator too.
 

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I feel like Trump is an excellent example of how self deification works for sure. Is trump a practitioner ? Maybe not... maybe not even intentionally. But it's interesting to see how he's transmuting maga fanaticism into power and influence in real time. Even if the deification of an objectively abhorrent person doesn't make sense to a lot of us, what we're witnessing here is what happens when you leave a pressure cooker on high for too long. It over boils and leaves a huge inconvenient mess to clean up.

I will say this after some reflection, I don't think Trump is intentionally a practitioner, If he was ... I think whatever pact he intentionally could have made would have made him more rational, coherent, and overall more level headed and wise. If he was truly a closeted master warlock, his energy would be stable.
His words would be concise. He would be revered as an equal amongst his peers and not a fool.

Moloch although seen as malevolent due to the nature of how he was worshipped, was still seen as a Canaanite god of medicine. I don't think Moloch even as a big bad deity, is anti science/medicine/ environment.

That being said, It's still entirely possible to fafo with spirits of any nature. Gods/ ghosts/ celestial/ infernal. I genuinely think that something genuinely deep, malevolent and occult happened on that island. There's no way you could do the things that we know happened on that island in a temple and not conjure something absolutely wicked mid activity. It's entirely possible that with Trump's massive influence and power, something attached to him and is feeding off him, while trump feeds off his cult, thus creating a food chain of events. When you're being attached by a parasitic entity, you don't need to make a pact, the entity will just do as it pleases. Trump himself is a parasite, and I would be willing to bet that he is also a very lucrative host for parasite entities of the malevolent and chaotic nature. Trickster spirits come to mind because of how well they mask their intentions and identity.

this makes the most sense imo

We create our own gods without even realizing the real life implications of energy exchange. That's why I don't buy into hollywood industry stanism or worshipping politicians. We don't know what's going on being the scenes, we don't know what entities they're praying to or working with or being used by.

I do wish we did more research or have more conversations about the intersectionality of government, magick, and the occult . Because I find it all fascinating. While the planet goes up in flames, the least we can do is try to make sense of it all.
 

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No, he's not a practitioner of occult anything. I don't think he's even that much into church. Here's a fun fact about political figures:

About 90% of what you see, hear, or know about them... is not them. It's hundreds of people. Trump is Colonel Sanders from KFC, his input is minimal. He's the spokesman for tons of people you don't know and never will. The same goes for everyone on the other end of politics, too.

All of that appears the way it does because nearly a trillion dollars a year goes toward creating media products. You get to hear all about what "Biden" or "Trump" or "Bush" or "Obama" does... but almost all of that is the product of think tanks, lawyers, and activists who use fraud to generate income. On both sides. Always has been, always will be.

Itr's not demons, magic, spirits, or super powers. It's propaganda.
 

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No, he's not a practitioner of occult anything. I don't think he's even that much into church. Here's a fun fact about political figures:

About 90% of what you see, hear, or know about them... is not them. It's hundreds of people. Trump is Colonel Sanders from KFC, his input is minimal. He's the spokesman for tons of people you don't know and never will. The same goes for everyone on the other end of politics, too.

All of that appears the way it does because nearly a trillion dollars a year goes toward creating media products. You get to hear all about what "Biden" or "Trump" or "Bush" or "Obama" does... but almost all of that is the product of think tanks, lawyers, and activists who use fraud to generate income. On both sides. Always has been, always will be.

Itr's not demons, magic, spirits, or super powers. It's propaganda.
I dont think Trump is a religious man at all. I can't even visualize him sitting through a whole sermon at church. However as others said above, it doesn't really matter if you're spiritual or not, energetic transmutation doesn't care.

* spirits who want to use as a tool may not care either *

Naturally large sums of money, outside non magickal influence and a well crafted propaganda machine is involved. I'm definitely not arguing that.

This much I understand about politics. ( My mom is a politician), that Trump is just one part of the problem. However what's going on in US Politics rn is incredibly divisive, incoherent and un uniform, which is unprecedented compared to other US administrations.

With how many skilled practitioners are actively and intently cursing him now, and yet nothing seems to be sticking, I really can't help but speculate there's other things at play here. things of a metaphysical/ unseen nature.

I'm sorry but what happened on that private island that has a mysterious temple on it with Jeffery Epstein and his access to countless unnamed victims, is very much giving occult, and socially unacceptable sacrifices. whether Trump agreed to engage with spiritual forces we may never know. But given how prideful and ignorant he is, he probably didn't think of the spiritual ramifications before hand.

Now... Jeffery Epstein being a practitioner or being in bed with a secret society, I could totally see.

Moloch did come to mind because mainly because Trump is very much acting like a bull in a china shop.

It's from my understanding that there were occultic practices involved with Hitler, the Nazis, and WW2. So I really wouldn't put it past any world leader to not seek out forces outside of their own to garner mass influence and control at every level.
 

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Chaos Magick 101 - Peter J. Carroll import.

At this point, the man functions as an egregoric nexus. There's so much psychic charge orbiting his name that one could as easily invoke him as a godform and still generate tangible current.


With how many skilled practitioners are actively and intently cursing him now, and yet nothing seems to be sticking, I really can't help but speculate there's other things at play here. things of a metaphysical/ unseen nature.
 

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With how many skilled practitioners are actively and intently cursing him now, and yet nothing seems to be sticking, I really can't help but speculate there's other things at play here.

Or they're just full of shit. I can think of at least half a dozen high profile occultists with 5-star reputations who are, in fact, just full of shit. Others, maybe slightly less so, like to rally troops and make big proclamations, but in reality their "skilled work" is little more than sending vibes at their night table covered in plastic deity dolls.

You haven't been an online occult veteran unless you've had at least 3 people hex you. And you know what happens? Every time? Not a goddamn thing. People who say they're going to hurt someone, whether by magic or some other means, are 99.9999999% of the time just venting and do nothing at all. The few who try, fail because they don't really know what they're doing. I think it's far more likely that TDS people with pink hair and a WitchTok account are delusional than to think Trump (or whoever else) has some magical protection.

In general, I don't believe that it is possible to harm any random person with magic, no matter how skilled you are. You can get people back for what they've done to you, or what they are doing, but you have no claim to hurt Putin or Trump or Obama or Alex Jones other than what the TV has fed you. If Trump personally kicks your dog, curse him and you'll see results... but trying to hex him for deporting foreign criminals etc, you have no personal claim and nothing in Heaven or Hell gives a shit that it upsets you.
 

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Or they're just full of shit. I can think of at least half a dozen high profile occultists with 5-star reputations who are, in fact, just full of shit. Others, maybe slightly less so, like to rally troops and make big proclamations, but in reality their "skilled work" is little more than sending vibes at their night table covered in plastic deity dolls.

You haven't been an online occult veteran unless you've had at least 3 people hex you. And you know what happens? Every time? Not a goddamn thing. People who say they're going to hurt someone, whether by magic or some other means, are 99.9999999% of the time just venting and do nothing at all. The few who try, fail because they don't really know what they're doing. I think it's far more likely that TDS people with pink hair and a WitchTok account are delusional than to think Trump (or whoever else) has some magical protection.

In general, I don't believe that it is possible to harm any random person with magic, no matter how skilled you are. You can get people back for what they've done to you, or what they are doing, but you have no claim to hurt Putin or Trump or Obama or Alex Jones other than what the TV has fed you. If Trump personally kicks your dog, curse him and you'll see results... but trying to hex him for deporting foreign criminals etc, you have no personal claim and nothing in Heaven or Hell gives a shit that it upsets you.
I do agree that a majority of occultists are full of shit. However, maybe it's in a difference in culture ( ATR ) but over here we do believe that you can harm any random person with magick. Advanced skilled or not. That's why it's common for people to hire a practitioner to preform curses, where it's not about the practitioner having personal claim it's simply transactional.

Magick is neutral, spiritual beings are neutral, but Intention is the fuel.

Spirits don't give a shit unless they're being properly compensated. They don't have a moral compass like humans, generally they don't care about human squabbling, but with the right offering...attention could be grabbed. petitions might be granted.


That being said, a majority of curses and hexes don't get granted because people aren't willing to fullfill the exchange necessary to get the petition granted. Many people aren't willing to do anything outside of surface level, vibing at the altar. If you want to cause physical harm to somebody using magick, it's very possible. However, you have to consider your targets own wards/ spirit guides/ court. Are you the practitioner genuinely willing to take it to heaven or hell to get your petition granted ? Do you have pacts with entities that would even bother granting such a petition?

There's plenty of those negatively affected by Trump's policies. It would be foolish to think that he's not being mass hexxed right now by at the very least a handful of genuine covens whose families have been affected.

Do I think a random possibly novice "pink hair witchtok account" practitioner could successfully curse trump ? In all actuality no.

Do I think a group of pink hair witchtok account practitioners could successfully curse trump if given an advanced grimoire ? Possibly.

I think if you wanted to successfully hex somebody on Trump's level you would need sincere, advanced ceremonial magick, and a considerable exchange for the petition to be granted. This goes for even those who are simply mad at what they're witnessing on the tv.

We do have some real world examples of Magick being successfully used in politics and war. I can think of two, but i'm sure there's more.

Erzulie Freda being invoked by Haitian Vodou High Priestess Cecile Fatiman and Dutty Boukman to incite the Haitian Revolution. Many of the french on the island actually died of yellow fever before being killed by Haitian revolutionists.

It's been said that the Kabbalah ritual "Pulsa diNura" was preformed on Israeli prime minster Yitzhak Rabin before he was assassinated. One of the rabbis involved did confirm that the ritual took place in 2011.


So that being said, I don't think Trump is a practitioner upon reflection. I do believe he is however harnessing chaos magick albeit unintentionally/subconsciously. I do think he's being spiritually protected by christian nationalists / rabbis / accelerist occultists. I do think he picked up some parasitic entities through the course of his lifetime that would benefit off of him becoming a king and garnering a cult.
 

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Do you have pacts with entities that would even bother granting such a petition?

I am unfortunately not allowed to share the details, but someone I do sincerely consider a true and worthy magician has been trying to kill Putin with demonology for years. He is Ukrainian. His whole town is blowed up. And every time, he gets the same two replies:

1. It's not personal, you have no power to order such an act.

2. If you were to attempt to force the issue, you would be almost immediately destroyed, because you are entering a brawl beyond your abilities and should be happy that you haven't been blown up yet.

And he's not alone in that kind of result. Bottom line is that even with his childhood home in smoldering ruins, it's still not personal. He can keep himself and his immediate loved ones safe, but "Vengeance is mine," saith the Lord.

There's plenty of those negatively affected by Trump's policies. It would be foolish to think that he's not being mass hexxed right now by at the very least a handful of genuine covens whose families ....

I don't believe in family covens or organized witchcraft in general. I think that's a sort of fictional urban legend thing. I have encountered many such claimants and people who reverently insist upon such things, but all have proven bullshit. There are a number of completely useless pagan/witchcraft organizations from serious to silly, but there is no force of organized conjurers worth a bat heart in the English-speaking world. Maybe if there were, they could be a thing? But there aren't.

I think if you wanted to successfully hex somebody on Trump's level you would need sincere, advanced ceremonial magick, and a considerable exchange for the petition to be granted.

It comes down to technical details. There are all kinds of hard line rules for conjure. Things you need, conditions, etc. What do you suppose a bit of his hair might go for on the dark web?
 

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Chaos Magick 101 - Peter J. Carroll import.

At this point, the man functions as an egregoric nexus. There's so much psychic charge orbiting his name that one could as easily invoke him as a godform and still generate tangible current.

1million% agree on this.

There's zero chance he practices anything occult or even traditionally religious. He is a materialist through-and-through that is gifted at reading and manipulating people, and has what I've heard called "charisma trap" energy. If anything, it's more like he had natural psychic gifts he squandered on money for most of his life. How often has something he's said become a national obsession, even if ironically saying it? Covefe and the like. His natural capture of the media is part of it.

Much like the joke my spouse and I have when she manifests the things she wants, use of "witchy powers" to bend reality is just part of the landscape for him. Him rejecting that as a materialist mean that other people have seen it and harnessed it for their own benefit.

The body and what's inside it have both outlived what is needed to get over the hump and become a lasting mental fixture for millions of people. No matter your opinion, most of the world contributes mental energy to him every day. Look at us now? We're all doing it and know what it means. I agree that once he inevitably shuffles off this mortal coil, as will we all, those invoking his name will be able to pull energy for decades to come, maybe longer.
 
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