Maybe an experience isn't real only because of its external reality.Sometimes, but it's rarely good music. Also, I find that perception of beauty is a feeling, it can be hallucinated without anything of actual substance.
My point is that in dreams rather than perceiving music and judging it as beautiful the mind will instead make a shortcut and simultaneously evoke a perception of music and a perception of beauty. If recalled without the hallucinated awe, the piece itself often appears banal. This effect actually extends over images, poems and often whole histories, though I've tested it most extensively in music as it's my main area of academic expertise. It is possible and not even that rare to encounter genuinely profound objects in dreams, but distinguishing them requires some emotional distance.Maybe an experience isn't real only because of its external reality.
Not everything meaningful has to exist outside of us.
Classical as in Hochklassik style or classical as in vaguely orchestral? I sometimes experience something similar, only I seem to be able to guide the melody as it goes. It's most often baroque polyphony or something pompous and romantic. However, after inspection, the instrumentation and form seem to be pretty much nonexistent, a bit as if it was merely a distant memory of a piece. It's also always very generic in style.In my dreams, no, no recollection of music. However, I often “hear” symphonic classical music - original compositions, as far as I can tell, and often with a discernible leitmotif - in the hypnagogic state between waking and sleep. I am not a musician, nor do I play any instruments; I do, however, listen to lots of classical music.
I get what you're saying. The experience's meaning at that moment might matter more than the music's profundity. I found meaning in the song, the voice, and our sudden disruption.My point is that in dreams rather than perceiving music and judging it as beautiful the mind will instead make a shortcut and simultaneously evoke a perception of music and a perception of beauty. If recalled without the hallucinated awe, the piece itself often appears banal. This effect actually extends over images, poems and often whole histories, though I've tested it most extensively in music as it's my main area of academic expertise. It is possible and not even that rare to encounter genuinely profound objects in dreams, but distinguishing them requires some emotional distance.
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Classical as in Hochklassik style or classical as in vaguely orchestral? I sometimes experience something similar, only I seem to be able to guide the melody as it goes. It's most often baroque polyphony or something pompous and romantic. However, after inspection, the instrumentation and form seem to be pretty much nonexistent, a bit as if it was merely a distant memory of a piece. It's also always very generic in style.
At the pragmatic level dreams operate with a very primary palette of sensations which includes admiration - even without the need for anything that would indirectly evoke it. What do we think does that mean when it happens is also interesting but it's a different matter entirely - one of interpretation.I get what you're saying. The experience's meaning at that moment might matter more than the music's profundity. I found meaning in the song, the voice, and our sudden disruption.
Maybe dreams don't make common things deep, they might show us what's become important to us.
Yes, I can see the difference.. The feeling of depth could not be essential to the item, but instead something a dreaming mind produces.At the pragmatic level dreams operate with a very primary palette of sensations which includes admiration - even without the need for anything that would indirectly evoke it. What do we think does that mean when it happens is also interesting but it's a different matter entirely - one of interpretation.