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Emergency Banishings: Is There a "Nuclear Option"?

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I'm not trying to follow any whack ass commandments. And I did study the Torah, mishna, and gemara for a while, so I either take it all or none of it atm. There's a lot of ethnosupremacy and other gross stuff I don't want to get into. And there's the curse thing too! I rly want to hex Israel but if I go that route, I'd have to "believe" in the repercussions too. Not that I think the modern Israel is the same ישראל that the Torah means when it says that cursing it curses yourself, but I'm also not trying to get too deep into things I don't yet understand. My goals are love, justice, and power. I don't need a Godform as an enemy rn. If you have other insight into how this works, I'm glad to learn
He won't ever be your enemy. You don't become an enemy of the Sun by throwing rocks at it. And I don't mean you have to follow commandments, nobody can really do that, which is the pont of Torah, really.
 

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He won't ever be your enemy. You don't become an enemy of the Sun by throwing rocks at it. And I don't mean you have to follow commandments, nobody can really do that, which is the pont of Torah, really.
He feels like it. The sun is becoming everyone's enemy thanks to climate change (caused by billionaires/Capitalists/Zionists). How can I separate the true enemy then? Because Satan and Lucifer aren't my enemy either. I'll use any powers I'm able to destroy corruption and injustice. But I want to be safe too. Where should I look first?

And no, there are plenty of people I know personally who make it their entire personality to follow every single law they can. And they do it even get any power from it. They just don't because they're messed up in the head/religious (same thing).
 

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He feels like it. The sun is becoming everyone's enemy thanks to climate change (caused by billionaires/Capitalists/Zionists). How can I separate the true enemy then? Because Satan and Lucifer aren't my enemy either. I'll use any powers I'm able to destroy corruption and injustice. But I want to be safe too. Where should I look first?
The Sun won't treat you any differently for offending it, the rocks you thrown fall back on your own head by your own design. Yahveh is not vengeful, he is just the principle of all existence - to will against it is self-corrupting.
How can you try to use powers more intelligent than you, that can and will lie to you in ways you can't even fathom?
And no, there are plenty of people I know personally who make it their entire personality to follow every single law they can. And they do it even get any power from it. They just don't because they're messed up in the head/religious (same thing).
As I said, it's really not about the commandments.
 

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A big loud clap always helps. But the other poster who mentioned the laugh, I like that one too.
 

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You know, when thinking about NUCLEAR banishing opinion... I got idea that it could be also taken literally.

Imagining a falling atom bomb and then that mushroom cloud explosion eradicating any spirits around...
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Maybe this sigil will also help...
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The Sun won't treat you any differently for offending it, the rocks you thrown fall back on your own head by your own design. Yahveh is not vengeful, he is just the principle of all existence - to will against it is self-corrupting.
How can you try to use powers more intelligent than you, that can and will lie to you in ways you can't even fathom?

As I said, it's really not about the commandments.
Which powers cannot or will not lie?
 

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Which powers cannot or will not lie?
It's complicated. Since meaning is a result of an interpretation of a symbol, a "lie" can be understood in many ways depending on whose interpretation and intent we take into account.

Demons hate that you bear Yahveh's image allowing you to take part in Genesis which they have been denied. As such their intent is generally to deceive you and, being superintellingent, they will inevitably succeed given enough time. Angels adore you and both know and want your happiness and spiritual growth, but - though they're careful - this doesn't mean it's impossible to interpret their words to your detriment. Yahveh himself will tell you things that turn out true in the most unpredictable ways. Other spirits generally follow their own goals (that will only sometimes align with yours) and will tell you whatever they need to to further them, but those usually rank below humans and one should be able to exert a degree of authority over them.
 

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I have no idea what that would possibly have to do with supporting the country of Israel, to be honest.

It has everything to do with it , if you understand the history, what Jehovah is , and .... certain other dynamics .

I won't go into it here , just saying I fully understand anyone's position in not wanting to have anything to do with YHVH , Jehovah , the creation of a fake history and its continuation .

IMO if anything .... the western world and Abrahamic religions need an 'emergency banishing ' .
 

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It has everything to do with it , if you understand the history, what Jehovah is , and .... certain other dynamics .

I won't go into it here , just saying I fully understand anyone's position in not wanting to have anything to do with YHVH , Jehovah , the creation of a fake history and its continuation .

IMO if anything .... the western world and Abrahamic religions need an 'emergency banishing ' .
Vagueness does a very bad job in concealing ignorance from an expert.
 

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The Sun won't treat you any differently for offending it, the rocks you thrown fall back on your own head by your own design. Yahveh is not vengeful, he is just the principle of all existence - to will against it is self-corrupting.

Whaaaaat ? Of all the deities to pick to claim that about !

Deuteronomy 32:35
‘Vengeance is Mine, and retribution,
In due time their foot will slip;
For the day of their disaster is at hand,
And their doom hurries to meet them.’

Nahun 1:2
''God is jealous, and the Lord avengeth; the Lord avengeth and is furious. The Lord will take vengeance on His adversaries, and He reserveth wrath for His enemies.''




How can you try to use powers more intelligent than you, that can and will lie to you in ways you can't even fathom?


As I said, it's really not about the commandments.
 

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Whaaaaat ? Of all the deities to pick to claim that about !

Deuteronomy 32:35​

‘Vengeance is Mine, and retribution,​

In due time their foot will slip;​

For the day of their disaster is at hand,​

And their doom hurries to meet them.’​

Nahun 1:2​

''God is jealous, and the Lord avengeth; the Lord avengeth and is furious. The Lord will take vengeance on His adversaries, and He reserveth wrath for His enemies.''​

That's what I'm speaking about. Truly evangelical levels of ignorance.
 

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Vagueness does a very bad job in concealing ignorance from an expert.

Very well then ; you can start with the 28 lectures of Israel Finkelstien ( a Jew and an Israeli ) on how certain factors made up the Jewish religion and created one of the biggest BS stories of all time

"Shmunis Family Conversations in the Archaeology and History of Ancient Israel"

I suggest you check his credentials and expertise first then start educating yourself .

After that we can go to Comparative Religion ( something I studied for the last 50 years starting at Sydney University ) and see the time line and flow charts about how they 'made up' 'Jehovah'

and I am being initially vague as ANYONE that has read the Bible knows what you are claiming about this YHVH character is your own supposin about a 'god' that has a super bad track record .

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That's what I'm speaking about. Truly evangelical levels of ignorance.

I see ... you cant even hold up your end of the conversation . You get hard evidence presented and this is your reply .

Anyway, as I said, I am noit here to counter such silly advice , I am just saying I can understand and agree with posters who would NEVER use YHVH ... as a devotee even .... to banish .

Its YOU that chose not to just say 'God' or ' The Lord' or any other monotheitic concept ... you specifically choose YHVH ... and that invokes specifics .
 

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Very well then ; you can start with the 28 lectures of Israel Finkelstien ( a Jew and an Israeli ) on how certain factors made up the Jewish religion and created one of the biggest BS stories of all time

"Shmunis Family Conversations in the Archaeology and History of Ancient Israel"

I suggest you check his credentials and expertise first then start educating yourself .

After that we can go to Comparative Religion ( something I studied for the last 50 years starting at Sydney University ) and see the time line and flow charts about how they 'made up' 'Jehovah'

and I am being initially vague as ANYONE that has read the Bible knows what you are claiming about this YHVH character is your own supposin about a 'god' that has a super bad track record .

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I see ... you cant even hold up your end of the conversation . You get hard evidence presented and this is your reply .

Anyway, as I said, I am noit here to counter such silly advice , I am just saying I can understand and agree with posters who would NEVER use YHVH ... as a devotee even .... to banish .

Its YOU that chose not to just say 'God' or ' The Lord' or any other monotheitic concept ... you specifically choose YHVH ... and that invokes specifics .
Authority doesn't make irrational claims credible, and doesn't instill meaning into vague non-claims and purely rhetorical attacks. Come back when you want to have a rational conversation.
 

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I have presented a rational conversation and supported my views both with the common understanding of many as well as academic sources . Attempts at snappy one line diversions is a poor response .. . actually, another poor response , I won't be coming back ( to you ) until after you get familiar with the background work and educate yourself on the subject .
 

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I have presented a rational conversation and supported my views both with the common understanding of many as well as academic sources . Attempts at snappy one line diversions is a poor response .. . actually, another poor response , I won't be coming back ( to you ) until after you get familiar with the background work and educate yourself on the subject .
This is exactly why I'm annoyed. You are in constant offensive on a wrong front and smug about it ("eDuCaTe YoUrSeLf"). Demanding familiarity with a pile of uncalled-for sources is quite a well-known diversion tactic, by the way.

Take this as a sign of good will. Or not, I don't have that much to gain from this conversation anyway.

The fact that the word "vengeful" was used for Yahveh by a biblical author does not mean he is in fact really vengeful. This also doesn't mean Deuteronomy is in error on that point, words can be used under different meanings, especially when there are no really fitting words for a specific meaning.

Do I also go over the earlier response? It's kind of embarassing, honestly (iF yOu UnDeRsTaNd HiStOrY 🤣).
 

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It's complicated. Since meaning is a result of an interpretation of a symbol, a "lie" can be understood in many ways depending on whose interpretation and intent we take into account.

Demons hate that you bear Yahveh's image allowing you to take part in Genesis which they have been denied. As such their intent is generally to deceive you and, being superintellingent, they will inevitably succeed given enough time. Angels adore you and both know and want your happiness and spiritual growth, but - though they're careful - this doesn't mean it's impossible to interpret their words to your detriment. Yahveh himself will tell you things that turn out true in the most unpredictable ways. Other spirits generally follow their own goals (that will only sometimes align with yours) and will tell you whatever they need to to further them, but those usually rank below humans and one should be able to exert a degree of authority over them.
It'll be a while before I have conversations with angels or demons I think. Just now starting with my banishing. I've attempted to speak to God before and other entities and never felt that I received a response. But I believe that others do and that it's possible to reach this state.
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It'll be a while before I have conversations with angels or demons I think. Just now starting with my banishing. I've attempted to speak to God before and other entities and never felt that I received a response. But I believe that others do and that it's possible to reach this state.
I mean, you asked and I answered - I'm very far from trying to push some solutions. What I wanted to say is that a desperate call for help won't be unheard if you find that all other safeguards failed. You might also use Jesus' name, same thing more or less.
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Honestly not even the fun kind.
 

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I mean, you asked and I answered - I'm very far from trying to push some solutions. What I wanted to say is that a desperate call for help won't be unheard if you find that all other safeguards failed. You might also use Jesus' name, same thing more or less.

Honestly not even the fun kind.
I appreciate any advice. I make my own way at my own pace, incorporating information from all sources. And since I find myself appreciating chaos magick, I don't mind eventually working up to calling to any Buddhisatva/ascended master/christ/prophet/ancestor/God/angel/daemon/spirit/being. Anything to achieve my goals. I just like to approach from a scientific angle. With gloves on.
 
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