Enlightenment as the first step...

[Honey Baba]

It is the tale as old as time that folks practice the dark arts and "lose their soul" along the way.

To "lose one's soul" is, of course, an exaggeration. This said you absolutely can attract some maleficent entities which are powerful enough to illuse you into doing their bidding.

To be human grants a uniquely wonderful opportunity to pursue dreams. For example, if you really like Denny's ham and cheese omlettes, and you wake up one day hungry for one, you can just go on over to a Denny's with at least $15 in your pocket and fulfill your dreams! Jai Maa Tara!

I share this little anecdote because the way I see it, the worst punishment irresponsible practice of the dark arts can impose is the feeling that you do not have the power to manifest your desire.

By God's grace I am blessed with the awareness to know I can achieve whatever I want whether an omlette or university education or beautiful children or more. As someone who has overcome possession by dark forces (thank you to Guruji and the great tantrik Triloknath Bhairav of Manikarnika Ghat in Varanasi), I do remember what it is like to feel hopeless.

If you have a story of hopelessness (whether you have overcome it or not), reader, I humbly invite you to share it. Please tell me the tale that our creator has written through you as though the Holy Spirit is the canvas, and you are the pen. You will honor me as a your friend who loves you and a fellow learner of magic.

 

[FireBorn]

How is Enlightenment LHP? Totally different thing.

 

[Yazata]

Moved

 

[Honey Baba]

How is Enlightenment LHP? Totally different thing.

Can not an enlightened being still walk the LHP?

 

[Saint]

I was surrounded by demons and angels from the get go. Where I walk and with who did not define my 'enlightenment' (in fact, there are many enlightent during a human life) - it was all about me. Not them.

I learned that the greatest enemy of my life is myself and that if I truly want to be worried of something else than myself, that should be humanity over any other demonic entity or 'God'.

In fact, I can thank more to the Infernal than people, by far.

I should not be alive, to begin with. Yet, a higher force (be it my own soul, other spirits or 'my Maker' and few case the Infernal) saved me from the inevitable death multiple times, surpassing the laws of the material world, signaling me, that I have a purpose, and that I shall 'deliver'.

Does it mean I should abandon 'darkness'? No.
Here I am. Still spending my time with 'the Infernal', while carrying the beacon of 'Light' as well, delivering my prayers to both above and below.
Because this two, is made to exist together, and no force is as dangerous to my existence and purpose as my own; ignored or untamed.

 

[FireBorn]

Can not an enlightened being still walk the LHP?

Of course, but that doesn't make enlightenment LHP.

Also, if someone is enlightened, the real enlightenment, why in fuck would the LHP even interest them? I would question if they were enlightened in the first place.

Enlightenment is a specific thing, from a specific current. LHP is a specific thing, from a specific current. One isnt better than the other, but they are not the same thing. Clarity matters.

I personally chose not to chase enlightenment. To me, and only me, enlightenment seems like a bypass of why we are here. I have eternity to figure out all that stuff, when I get there. I am a man, living in the world. I intend to live this life as best I can. I wont pretend otherwise, or bypass all the pain, and the joys. I want to make the god jealous. They dont get to drink a cold beer after cutting grass on a hot day. They cant feel the anxiety of a first kiss wondering it the same intensity will be returned. They dont have a finite life with an unknown end date. I do. That in my eyes, is not to be squandered worrying about the next iteration of my soul.

Do I have it all wrong? Maybe, maybe not. I will figure it out after I die, I will have plenty of time for all that bliss and stuff then. For now? Yeah, I am living, really living, fully in the now as best I can, fucking it up, learning and improving.

I do know a dude who is into the Enlightenment stuff. He says he is happy. Is he truly enlightened? He says so. Who knows for sure? But he doesn't live this life like it means something, he pretends he doesn't want to fuck, listen to music, feel this life. He is too focused on acting like he is above all that. Talking in riddles and shit (and no, he doesn't represent all who are into enlightnement). Not my bag. Zero judgment, just not my thing.

 

[MorganBlack]

Just jumping in for a sec to say these Theosophical terms have progressively become messy occult-slop, and are long overdue for cleanup. And we are the ones who can do it!

I agree one should live your life to the fullest. As that famous LHP Satanist, St. Irenaeus once said, "Gloria Dei est vivens homo." -"The glory of God is man fully alive."

And that other Satanist, St. Augustine said, "Dilige et quod vis fac." -"Love, and do as you will."

 

[Honey Baba]

I was surrounded by demons and angels from the get go. Where I walk and with who did not define my 'enlightenment' (in fact, there are many enlightent during a human life) - it was all about me. Not them.

I learned that the greatest enemy of my life is myself and that if I truly want to be worried of something else than myself, that should be humanity over any other demonic entity or 'God'.

In fact, I can thank more to the Infernal than people, by far.

I should not be alive, to begin with. Yet, a higher force (be it my own soul, other spirits or 'my Maker' and few case the Infernal) saved me from the inevitable death multiple times, surpassing the laws of the material world, signaling me, that I have a purpose, and that I shall 'deliver'.

Does it mean I should abandon 'darkness'? No.
Here I am. Still spending my time with 'the Infernal', while carrying the beacon of 'Light' as well, delivering my prayers to both above and below.
Because this two, is made to exist together, and no force is as dangerous to my existence and purpose as my own; ignored or untamed.

I bow before you for sharing. Thank you.

I too have had experiences of being saved from death. Like a child, dancing carelessly about a pit of fire, I have slipped and fallen in only to be lifted away in space and time.

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Of course, but that doesn't make enlightenment LHP.

Also, if someone is enlightened, the real enlightenment, why in fuck would the LHP even interest them? I would question if they were enlightened in the first place.

Enlightenment is a specific thing, from a specific current. LHP is a specific thing, from a specific current. One isnt better than the other, but they are not the same thing. Clarity matters.

I personally chose not to chase enlightenment. To me, and only me, enlightenment seems like a bypass of why we are here. I have eternity to figure out all that stuff, when I get there. I am a man, living in the world. I intend to live this life as best I can. I wont pretend otherwise, or bypass all the pain, and the joys. I want to make the god jealous. They dont get to drink a cold beer after cutting grass on a hot day. They cant feel the anxiety of a first kiss wondering it the same intensity will be returned. They dont have a finite life with an unknown end date. I do. That in my eyes, is not to be squandered worrying about the next iteration of my soul.

Do I have it all wrong? Maybe, maybe not. I will figure it out after I die, I will have plenty of time for all that bliss and stuff then. For now? Yeah, I am living, really living, fully in the now as best I can, fucking it up, learning and improving.

I do know a dude who is into the Enlightenment stuff. He says he is happy. Is he truly enlightened? He says so. Who knows for sure? But he doesn't live this life like it means something, he pretends he doesn't want to fuck, listen to music, feel this life. He is too focused on acting like he is above all that. Talking in riddles and shit (and no, he doesn't represent all who are into enlightnement). Not my bag. Zero judgment, just not my thing.

Hmm. Thank you for your thoughtful response.

I find your philosophy wonderful and I have respect for it. Enlightenment is quite a thornbush of a word.

I like to say "I know who I am." On my personal journey, activities considered to be of the "LHP" entice me the same way the caprese sandwich I have bought the ingredients to make entices me. Both are good simply in my line of sight.

I bring up the argument of knowing who you are before engaging in the LHP because it is conducive to achieving goals and enjoying them as they unfold. Engaging in the LHP is, the way I see it, by nature, the most effective way to create confusion, incoherence, and disharmony to the perception of the self granted the perception of the self is not grounded in experiential knowledge.

TLDR; "get the fire self-sufficient before you heat the water" is something I think is a good idea before making a cup of tea, let alone summoning a demon (lower loka entity).

Do you feel me?

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Just jumping in for a sec to say these Theosophical terms have progressively become messy occult-slop, and are long overdue for cleanup. And we are the ones who can do it!

I agree one should live your life to the fullest. As that famous LHP Satanist, St. Irenaeus once said, "Gloria Dei est vivens homo." -"The glory of God is man fully alive."

And that other Satanist, St. Augustine said, "Dilige et quod vis fac." -"Love, and do as you will."

Thank you. These are brilliant and I will remember them.

You use the word "Satanist" with confidence. Can you please share your personal definition of the word? I find it's been convoluted by occult-slop the same.

 

[MorganBlack]

Honey Baba, many apologies. You were being sincere and I was being ironic.

These LHP vs RHP dicussions tend to go on and on with nothing new or useful coming out of them. Nobody will step forward and usefully define their terms, except in the most jargon-filled occult-slop manner that looks like it was written by AI.

LHP and RHP were not part of the Western Magical Tradition until Madame Blavatsky and Theosophy imported them. While I think Christianity is neither LHP nor RHP for a variety of reasons (if we decide to even use those terms, which I am very skeptical of), obviously St. Augustine is not a 'Satanist.'

In Folk Catholicism (which does not really exist, being an academic designation), we do have what are called 'Left Hand' manifestations of the saints, but we are exceedingly clear that this means aggressive and 'wrathful' manifestations. 'Left Hand' St. Peter has red skin, horns, and holds the Keys to Hell.

French and Continental Diabolism (as a line of Goetia) we can point to, but 'Satanism' never existed. Yet, there are people who self-identify as Satanists whom I also happen to like tremendously, and others who use the same label who I think are ridiculous imbeciles. LHP is no more a badge of quality any more the RHP is.

And many who self-identify as 'Left Hand Path' will claim Aleister Crowley as their own, who said, 'Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will.'

So, I was humorously suggesting St. Augustine said it first, but they don't claim him.