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expectation of manifestations

Cham78

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hi, i'd like to ask about a particular experience and i'd like some opinions and points of view on it

Does anyone sometimes starts a ritual but keeps getting distracted by the expectation of something "happening" that stops you from completely going into the required magickal state of mind ? it's not a constant thing, but i'd like to work on it nonetheless

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This was my worst habit for ages, and still comes up sometimes during rituals I'm more familiar with where I already know how the outcome should present and start to get impatient. Regularly practicing empty-minded meditation where I just focus on clearing my thoughts for thirty minutes, without working toward any goal, has helped a lot with training myself to get sidetracked less often during rituals.

I've also found it helpful to have a few tools on hand that I've grown to associate with certain steps of a ritual. Using those tools or even just holding onto them helps to quickly redirect me to what I should be doing every time I go on a mental tangent.
 

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Second empty-mind meditation, it works wonders for one's powers of concentration.

However, an interesting claim was made in this thread according to which the usual groundwork (meditation, breathwork, visualisation, etc.) wasn't required for doing magic at all. It just occurred to me that it's kinda ironic that so many books on chaos magic to this day follow Peter J. Carroll's lead in prescribing a rigid program of preparatory exercises as an indispensable prerequisite for ritual work when chaos magic is supposed to be so anarchic, punky and against all traditional rules. Many chaotes still consider the Liber MMM syllabus in "Liber Null et Psychonaut" (which takes about two years to complete) a mandatory requirement for successful magic.

Chaos magic authors have turned the dreaded 'lust for results' into a bugbear to the point where it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy, as if one stray thought was guaranteed to ruin your entire operation; one could even claim that it has become a self-sabotaging superstition, the way practitioners turn themselves into knots to avoid anticipating success.

Empty-mind meditation is difficult but a major benefit is that you'll learn not to dwell on a thought after it has interrupted a certain period of stillness. 'Getting back into the groove' (without beating yourself up for your inattentiveness) will become easier after that. Rigorous mental discipline has never worked for me, it was always "Mustn't think of… shit, too late!", dispassionate witnessing is much less disruptive.

The thread referred to above emphasises immersion as opposed to mental discipline. One way to make a ritual a more immersive experience is create a dramatic and impressive one; what works for me personally, however, is meditation as a way to set a ritual apart from everyday life and clear my own headspace before it. I'll get completely lost in the ritual's words and gestures if they're sufficiently expressive, so the immersion approach has much going for it as well.

As far as 'lust for results' is concerned, today I see rituals as necessary interventions that bring closure to a desire instead of kindling it even more: "It's been taken care of. It's in the works. Now I can stop worrying, what a relief!" This also means that now my focus is more on finishing the task before me and less on the expected fruit of my ritualist labours. After all, a desire won't go away completely once the ritual is over but it will be much less pressing, at least that's the way it is for me.
 

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Well, that's interesting timing.

You might like this personal account I posted of a young magician being interrupted by his parents:

I say just relax and carry on. Breaks happen, do not stress. Much of the heavy-lifting of magic is being facilitated by the ritual performance, and is happening in your hind-brain, right-brain, away from you chatty left-brain. The ritual hits many more levels than you are even aware of simultaneously. Inner chatter happens. The only words that really matter are those you say out loud.
 

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I've noticed that this almost always happens when I'm trying to be more formal—that is, when the ceremony drags on so long that it starts to get boring.
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So this should be more like a form of recreation than work.
 
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