[Opinion] False dichotomy: HGA as Higher Self vs separate entity

[Roma]

I am trained in maths and science and have applied those principles (observation, hypothesis, experiment, peer review) to inner plane energies and entities.

I have lived in some planetary places where inner plane intelligences and energies were more transparent in relating to and cooperating with humans.

In previous incarnations I have been involved in similar contexts

 

[Pyrokar]

That is not what i asked and i think you knew that.

What is the labor with which you are compensated by human government currency?
What is the profession of the corporal form under which you assume the shape of an individual on this planet and time
What is the written on top of the board that leads towards your lair or gives out the personal information of the vessel you currently inhabit?

 

[Roma]

I worked in government, building mathematical models of economies and later in reviewing government agencies and later in natural resource policy

I prefer anonymity. Many humans are offended by disagreement with their cherished beliefs. Governments are particularly sensitive these days.

 

[Pyrokar]

Okay.
So how does your work in government and economy
validate you as someone with authority to perform interventions
on children let alone mentally challenged ones?
How do they find or adress you in the first place?
Even as friends they would have to have had some prior inclinations of your abilities to do so?
No, i believe you present yourself as a psychic medium or something along those lines of the New age-y healers.
I would not attack you nor your beliefs, in fact i don't really mind at all. I just wanted to know if you were one.

 

[Ziran]

The HGA is always with and connected to the one to which it has been assigned.

Except in severe cases

I strongly disagree.

I once performed a series of interventions on boy with severe autism - could not remember his own name a couple of days after being vaccinated, not for Covid19.

At one stage there was an intervention every few days towards specific stated outcomes with his mother reporting back after each intervention. She was pleased with the improvements at each stage.

Early in the process it was necessary to remove much of the Aluminum from the brain before the HGA would agree to intervene

Even if an individual is not thriving ( or worse ) that does not mean that they are disconnected and distant from "spirit", but it will appear that way. As I wrote earlier, the HGA exists in a framework, a model, a construct, a school of thought, where "spirit" is defined in a manner which prohibits distance and disconnection. Many adopt this construct because over the course of thousands of years there have been good results when it is used properly. In this framework, the HGA cannot ever be distant and disconnected from the one to which it is assigned.

There are several different analogies used to explain the phenomena of "not thriving ( or worse )" even though the individual is, by defintion, always and forever connected to their source and always with their source. Their source is not limited by time and space. The individual and their source are sharing the same space always and forever. Based on what I've read of your writing, the best analogy, I think, is that of resonance. Two different wave forms intersecting in time and space in resonance are sympathetic to each other and produces a net increase. It's amplification. The wave-form is magnified. Conversely the wave-forms cancel. In between the two options is not ideal but not complete nullification.

This is not a perfect analogy. It's over-simplified. The idea that is intended to be conveyed is that the two wave-forms co-exist in the same time and in the same space, but, depending on their alignment in relationship to each other the wave-form which is intended to nourish the other wave-form could have the opposite effect. They're still in contact; the two are still with each other. I've seen you write about a "right relationship". I think these words fit well within the HGA model, but there is no disconection. There is no distance.

Because an HGA is a form, it has an orientation: left-right, above-below, inner-outer. The classic analogy is not wave-form resonance. It involves concentric spheres with a gap in the top of both spheres. When the spheres are aligned the gaps line up and a flow is nourishing them. This is face-to-face. When they are not aligned one face is distant from the other face, but the spheres are not disconnected nor distant from each other. Their faces are distant and disconnected, but the spheres are still sharing the same space. Sometimes this is described as a lover's quarrel. They are still in love, they are sharing the same space, but one of them has turned away. There is a feeling of distance and disconnection, but they are still connected and with each other. The symbol of their reunion is the hug-and-kiss. The outer-sphere is embracing the inner-sphere. The inner-sphere pivots and turns to face their beloved. Face-to-face with a kiss the lovers meet in reunion where their love is flowing again.

 

[Roma]

As I wrote earlier, the HGA exists in a framework, a model, a construct, a school of thought, where "spirit" is defined in a manner which prohibits distance and disconnection.

Theories are a good start but require experiments to validate them. Otherwise they look like a religion

It may be that what some schools call the HGA has operational responsibilities elsewhere and only gives what attention is necessary to its allocated human personalities

Who can test that proposition?

Here is a possible protocol:

• pick a human with a bright light just above the head
• rise on the planes to the higher mental subplanes
• examine incoming attachments to the higher mental structure (Neshama)
• identify the flows from the spirit (HGA) sent to manage the human until first stage enlightenment
• rise on the planes to the Monad (Yechida) so as to see clearly that entity
• examine the outflows from the HGA to see how many anchor in humans and other soul-bearing species and other systems
• identify which flows are active and which passive
• identify the inflows into the HGA and consider their implicit agendas

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i believe you present yourself as a psychic medium

Believe whatever makes you happy

 

[Ziran]

Theories are a good start but...

The place to start is understanding the theory and the terminology it uses.

 

[Roma]

Personally, I feel a bit one-eyed if I only have one theory

 

[pixel_fortune]

Delighted by "Kether of paint"

I have a question though:

There is a mechanism which produces the adherence of paint to the primer and the lack of adherence of the paint to the bare surface. Guess what implements that mechanism? The ancient western philosophers and mystics called them "angels". Modern folk would call them "forces of nature".

It sounds like you're saying what gets called "angels" are really the laws of physics

But the general magical consensus (and this is my view) is that magic can't change the laws of physics. It can nudge possibilities but not make the physically impossible happen.

So, I wouldn't petition the laws of physics to let me have a break from gravity for a while.

Am I misunderstanding you? Or are you operating under a different paradigm? (Either "magic CAN change the laws of physics" or "magic doesn't do anything external, only internal change". I also wouldn't petition the laws of physics to help me, say, forgive someone, so neither interpretation seems to leave for magic)

 

[Roma]

magic can't change the laws of physics.

Unless the laws of physics are special cases/contexts.

Once a tiny swirl of wind levitated me 18 inches straight up and put me down so gently and peacefully that it took me a moment to realize what had happened

I was close to the edge of a roof about 30 feet off the ground - so it was good that the levitation was under control

 

[Ziran]

Delighted by "Kether of paint"

I have a question though:

It sounds like you're saying what gets called "angels" are really the laws of physics

In this construct, I wouldn't call them laws of physics, but, laws (commands) are exactly how they are traditionally described. They do not have a will of their own. They are commanded, literally, to behave in a certain manner. They are organized in a hierarchy traditionally described as troops, or hosts. Hosts in hebrew is tz'vahoht. Tzi'vah is "command" is hebrew and "connected" in aramaic. Each angel has their "captain" which is itself an angel, which has a captain, etc. It's a chain-of-commands, tz'vahoht. Tzi'vah in the plural. Connected-commands. These commands ultimately go all the way back to the source. The top of the chain is referred to traditionally as "the-lord-of-hosts" / "YHVH-tz'vahoht" / "יהוה צבאות".

But the general magical consensus (and this is my view) is that magic can't change the laws of physics. It can nudge possibilities but not make the physically impossible happen.

In a way that's true, but, it's not entirely true.

So, I wouldn't petition the laws of physics to let me have a break from gravity for a while.

Right. The laws of physics are at the end of the chain. "Gravity" is taking its "orders" from an angel. Because "gravity" has no will of its own, petitioning "gravity" is futile. "Gravity" is not choosing to operate in the way that it does. It will never choose to bestow favor on an individual and violate its chain-of-commands. Petitioning the angels above it doesn't work either. They will never choose to violate their chain-of-commands. The one to petition is at the very top of the chain. This is prayer in monotheism. However, there are loopholes in the system that can be exploited. This is not a petition; it is subverting the chain-of-commands.

Exploiting these loopholes is a grey-area. All laws have two parts. There's the letter of the law, and there's the spirit of the law. The letter of the law has loopholes which can be exploited. The spirit of the law has no loopholes and cannot be exploited. The criminal mind seeks out loopholes in the letter of the law while denying the spirit of the law. That's where they get themselves into trouble. Everyone has a criminal mind to some degree. That's why it's good to have rules ( concensus ) about what can and cannot be done, but, a rule is not a law.

Am I misunderstanding you? Or are you operating under a different paradigm?

The paradigm is: there is only one which is "super-natural". This is the source for literally everything else. Everything else is natural. "Magic" is a general category for effects which are caused by individuals but the mechanism which is producing the effect is unseen. This doesn't mean that the cause is not producing an effect naturally. It means that the mechanism is not known.

Making fire at one time was considered "magic". For a primitive person, flying in an airplane would be "magic". Making cheese, bread, and wine... were all considered "magical". Gun-powder was considered "magic". Now that the mechanism is known, it's science. In some ways, its rather sad that these material phenomena are no longer considered "magic", but, I still consider igniting a flame "magical" eventhough I understand how it works. It's natural, but, it's also magical because of all that is happening which is unseen. I view all of reality as magical. Bread, wine, and cheese, for me is a magical experience.

Zooming out, all of these physical phenomena have corresponding spiritual phenomena. Everything is connected. That's the root of all "magic".

(Either "magic CAN change the laws of physics" or "magic doesn't do anything external, only internal change".

Maybe think of it this way?

The "laws of physics" as they are known today are incomplete. Magic is working with different laws which are not known and/or exploiting the laws in ways which are not fully understood. Magic is on the fringes of science.

I also wouldn't petition the laws of physics to help me, say, forgive someone, so neither interpretation seems to leave for magic)

Sure. However just as there are reliable methods for smothering a flame, there are reliable methods which arouse forgiveness and/or extinguish wrath in the human heart and mind.

 

[pixel_fortune]

Thank you! I'm not sure whether or not I agree but I have a much better understanding of what you're saying and some ideas to chew on

 

[Xenophon]

Unless the laws of physics are special cases/contexts.

Once a tiny swirl of wind levitated me 18 inches straight up and put me down so gently and peacefully that it took me a moment to realize what had happened

I was close to the edge of a roof about 30 feet off the ground - so it was good that the levitation was under control

Whose control?
I knew a trucker who claimed a high wind kept him from a nasty fall off the back of the rig whose load he was tarping. Apparently the Wyoming wild wind held him aloft for a soft drop from a 20+ foot heighth. Of course, not being a planes-rising Dipsissimus, his tale is pretty mundane. Simple physics setting up a quirky situation where the expected did not befall. Not nearly a patch on the yarns an adept Adeptissimus can spin, whose HGA (or whomever) taketh surpassing care their foot dasheth against no stone, nay not even from 18 inches.

 

[Roma]

Simple physics setting up a quirky situation where the expected did not befall.

Tiny swirls of wind can be remarkable in their effects

 

[Xenophon]

Tiny swirls of wind can be remarkable in their effects

Agreed.

 

[Vandheer]

This is important. Malchuth is not the physical manifestation. It's still spiritual. If it were the physical manifestation than the reflection of kether would be readily apparent and no one would need to do anything to inform their choices such that benevolence was always the result. If malchuth was the physical manifestation, everything would work like clock-work.

The physical manifestion is malchuth occluded with k'lipoth-nogah. That's why it's not a bad thing to know and understand the k'lipoth because it's surrounding everything in the material world.

This actually matches with what I am reading from Corpus Hermeticum. I have heard of this bright? Qliphoth only in Karlsons book and never again. But it resonates with me both in practice and theory.

Awesome write up.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Well, my opinion as a former dabbler with Qlippoth is that it is very real, in terms of the surroundings changing in the nature of the qlippa.
Otherwise it is what it is in Malkuth.

However, the point of the Great Workk is to elevate your consciousness, to evolve past primal instincts and petty wants, or to completely delve into them and make them your most yourself in the qlippoth, to finally merge with Belial instead of the Ancient of Days.

Otherwise, we evolve past the Guph and Nephesch and seek Yechidah. The HGA's spot who has been patiently waiting for us. Or the HGD waiting in Thaumiel for you if you drive the LHP.

 

[Vandheer]

Bardons "Zone Girdling Earth" makes hell lot more sense now to me. Also tons of quotes from Hermes about the vices and material body.

However, the point of the Great Workk is to elevate your consciousness, to evolve past primal instincts and petty wants, or to completely delve into them and make them your most yourself in the qlippoth, to finally merge with Belial instead of the Ancient of Days.

Belial? What kind of a Great Work are we talking about here?

Or the HGD waiting in Thaumiel for you if you drive the LHP.

There is a Holy Guardian Demon in Thaumiel? How does that even work?

Genuinely confused. I know of nothing about Qliphoth.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

So everyone has a Guardian Angel, and a dweller at the Threshold (dividing line between Naamah's sphere and Malkuth, or between Malkuth and Yesod. Yesod is the cutoff threshold for the Guph, the seat of primal instincts. Lilith (second qlippa) likewise.

That Dweller at the Threshold is your Holy Guardian Demon...unless I am mistaken.

So, as one rises to Yechidah, you merge with your HGA and ascend to Ain Soph, the feet of the Ancient of Days.

Likewise, as the law of polarity and correspondence, there is Belial at the utmost bottom or above Thaumiel that is the place where you and your HGD unite.

So, it is the question, how evil or base do you want to be? How good or righteous do you want to be?

You cant pick both, at some point you must make the choice. The Ancient of Days or Belial is the choice you must make.

 

[Vandheer]

Likewise, as the law of polarity and correspondence, there is Belial at the utmost bottom or above Thaumiel that is the place where you and your HGD unite.

Ahhh I think I am kind of getting, so you progress in one tree which makes you progress on the reversed one?

So, as one rises to Yechidah, you merge with your HGA and ascend to Ain Soph, the feet of the Ancient of Days.

Wouldn't you just disappear into the light?

You cant pick both, at some point you must make the choice. The Ancient of Days

The hell is an Ancient of Days?

My dude, I get this confused on a tiny thread, I better never pick up Zohar, I am surely gonna be a blind rat in a maze, lol.

I am fine with it if you don't wanna answer further man, I think I will have more and more questions each time.