Fate and Awakening

[Magpie]

@Robert Ramsay said that all possible outcomes are predetermined. That was in a "are you trying to win a lottery thread". Took some time to digest that and at the same time I was thinking about the nauthiz rune, which is the rune of compulsion of fate.

Neo-pagan and Hindu/Buddhist currents are most familiar to me. There seems to be a fundamental difference or a fundamental misunderstanding - I want you to chip in and tell me what you think that is. Germanic neo-paganism says fate is predetermined and fighting against it is futile and harmful. That is aligned with the true self. Being the true you, you go with the current and that is the best option. But in Buddhism, you can awaken and then all conditioning goes.

So if I was meant to be a farmer and I strive to be a doctor, the Germanic side says it is wrong. But on the Buddhist side, why would you want to stay bound to samsaric fate?

So either those two systems are incompatible or I am misinterpreting awakening in relation to fate.

 

[moonbow]

As far as I am concerned, the more you are awakened, the more you realize that you write and rewrite your own fate, and that you can direct your Desire and Will to change your fate, destiny and your reality to whatever you WILL it to be, as your Will becomes Gods Will. I would not care so much what neo paganism or buddhism tries to brainwash you with, but instead rely on your own experiences and enlightenment on your own path of spiritual cultivation and awakening. Your true self is not slave to fate but is instead the master over it.

 

[Luciana cb]

Na minha opinião, quanto mais você desperta, mais percebe que escreve e reescreve o seu próprio destino e que pode direcionar seu Desejo e Vontade para mudar seu destino, sua realidade e tudo o que você DESEJA que seja, pois sua Vontade se torna a Vontade de Deus. Eu não me importaria tanto com o que o neopaganismo ou o budismo tentam lhe impor, mas sim confiaria em suas próprias experiências e iluminação em seu próprio caminho de cultivo e despertar espiritual. Seu verdadeiro eu não é escravo do destino, mas sim o mestre sobre ele.

Concordo contigo! — mas não como fantasia de controle absoluto.


O que desperta não é alguém que “faz tudo o que quer”.
É alguém que já não se move por aquilo que não vê.


Quando a vontade deixa de ser reflexo… ela se torna eixo.


E nesse ponto, o destino não desaparece — ele se curva à presença que consegue sustentá-lo. ( estou em constante aprendizado e tenho visto resultados compreendendo essa maxima!)


Não me interessa ser escrava do destino.


Mas também não confunda poder com delírio.

Interesso-me por algo mais concreto para mim:
ter uma vontade que não reage
ter uma consciência que não é arrastada —
ser um centro que permanece… mesmo quando tudo se move.

 

[HoldAll]

Concordo contigo! — mas não como fantasia de controle absoluto.

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[Magpie]

As far as I am concerned, the more you are awakened, the more you realize that you write and rewrite your own fate, and that you can direct your Desire and Will to change your fate, destiny and your reality to whatever you WILL it to be, as your Will becomes Gods Will. I would not care so much what neo paganism or buddhism tries to brainwash you with, but instead rely on your own experiences and enlightenment on your own path of spiritual cultivation and awakening. Your true self is not slave to fate but is instead the master over it.

Own experience is always the golden source of truth. You see the contradiction between what people pain true self as and what you say? True self is supposed to be a fairly fixed true core of your being. So by definition it is fixed. You are saying that having joined up with it, you can change it?