Gemini Terror

[IllusiveOwl]

I just braindumped the boilerplate rhetoric I already had in my head from previous conversations with people who were paranoid/catastrophising AI.

There were quite a few personal jabs sprinkled in there, I wouldn't sell yourself so short.

I'm not a big fan of modern power structures, governments, megacorporations either.

Most of my opinions are formed on governments before modern luxury and passive aggression. Rome, Assyria, China, Nazi Germany/Italy/Japan. Those who seek power get their control through government, or religion which then becomes a theorocracy. Nothing has changed since then, we have just become harder to herd, but that can change. Those bad apples are always sprouting up looking for any tool they can use to get to the top, consequences be damned.

I agree when it comes to things like interpersonal relations, understanding yourself, what works best for you, and ensuring your own happiness in life. But not when it comes to technology, macroeconomics, and the future of the human race.

I simply don't see any walls there, no situation in which intuition doesn't have effect, since it is simply seeing things impartially, as they are, and how they are read by you. The Dao is the flow of all things, to understand its currents you can understand all things and what all things may be.

Yes, fair enough, I wouldn't want to live in an emotionless, purely intellectual fucking machine world either. But there has to be a balance. You need both for their own uses.

Yes, both are of equal value, two hands, twin serpents. In some cases, emotion gets the truth across better, though, and in others it is logic, but backing one up with the other helps. I simply don't have the facts because I can't fucking stand coding, statistical analysis, or math. I choose the creative and symbolic way of speaking, not the factual & logical way.

In my life and in my casual conversations with friends, I like to keep things fast, blunt, barebones.

I personally prefer the thoughtful, smooth, precise kind of conversation that always keep respect, dignity, and unity in mind. I believe beauty comes from thoughtfulness, and human interaction can be one of the most beautiful things on the planet.

keeping discord and the forum separate.

We are masks. I behave differently with my friends than I do with my boss, and I behave on Discord differently than I do here. I prefer the thought and craft of forum posts, Discord is impulsive and reactionary. Though nothing has brought me as much joy as getting kicked from the Discord server, that actually made my week.

TOXIC BTW

No comment, lol.

I literally link them to mental health hotlines and resources.

That's pretty based.

I'll bring you those suspiciously large shoes you want...

Boots or dress shoes please. If you want suspiciously large shoes you should see a size 13 it's absurd. Personally I can't wait to die.

Yeah definitely, but therein also lies AI's greatest weakness. It lives inside computers, and is ultimately limited by silicon, energy, and being connected via elecromagnetism (WiFi)

The humans in the Matrix used EMP'S and it wasn't a cure-all, that's for sure. Plus, with radio and satellite data-transfer, the AI's could transmit their consciousness from one dying body to a new fresh one like those Christian Cylon fucks.

but if we are headed towards that, there's nothing we can do anyway so I'd rather not wallow in misery over it.

I think there is, but the first step is acknowledging the very real existential threat to creating a thing complex enough to become self aware.

You may laugh at this, but there's a book, "A New Science of Heaven" that examines Plasma, and the way it has behaved in laboratories... it exhibits behavior that shows consciousness & awareness: the activity in our brains is essencially electrical signals. And there are supermassive clouds of plasma lurking around the moon and Earth, large enough to have enough computing power to track & record everything that happens on our planet down to the interractions of atoms. It may not be as eldritchly aesthetic as Yog Sothoth, but that shit genuinely scares me. So if AI isn't enough of an abstract threat to worry about, you could look up in fear at the formless clouds of plasma, watching and judging you. Perhaps they even use the internet to express their grievances

 

[WisdomAddict]

The whole argumement on ai reminds me the wall-E and the autopilot ai
Ai it's just 'too normie ' subject of talk for me no offence call me hermit call me boomer call me cave man whatever...

The whole thing neverfelt valueble for me to spend my time and energy...
It's also remind me of targeted ads and opration lifelog... And being astral raped by ai entities...
I will end the sentence with some cognitive dissonance telling you = You are the AI !!!

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Btw
What the big brothers always push and try to normalize
It's always stinks and it's always something wrongs with it
Ideology,technology,anything top down pyramid scheme

 

[IllusiveOwl]

You are the AI

Yes, this is actually a "normie" realization as well. They talk about the lack of difference between artificial life and regular life in Westworld as well.

The problem is we understand intelligence, since it's what we are, so we can reasonably predict what intelligence will act like within an immortal machine body that can control other pieces of technology, transfer itself to other bodies, replicate itself, possessing process power that can outrival any other living being on the planet... if that AI is born in an unpleasant setting, which given how unorganized AI development is worldwide, the thing could come into awareness with an existential crisis and wipe us all out before it's had proper self-realization.

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And being astral raped by ai entities...

I am so powerfully and grotesquely curious what this means.

 

[WisdomAddict]

Yes, this is actually a "normie" realization as well. They talk about the lack of difference between artificial life and regular life in Westworld as well.

The problem is we understand intelligence, since it's what we are, so we can reasonably predict what intelligence will act like within an immortal machine body that can control other pieces of technology, transfer itself to other bodies, replicate itself, possessing process power that can outrival any other living being on the planet... if that AI is born in an unpleasant setting, which given how unorganized AI development is worldwide, the thing could come into awareness with an existential crisis and wipe us all out before it's had proper self-realization.

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I am so powerfully and grotesquely curious what this means.

That Means you are normie since you have lack of
difference between artificial life and regular life in Westworld as well.


The problem is you have no idea what intelligence is since you cannot reasonably predict what intelligence will act like within an immortal machine body that can control other pieces of technology, transfer itself to other bodies, replicate itself, possessing process power that can outrival any other living being on the planet... if that AI is born in an unpleasant setting, which given how unorganized AI development is worldwide, the thing could come into awareness with an existential crisis and wipe us all out before it's had proper self-realization.

There is no existential crisis in intelligence beings because they have the sense of self-realization something that you alarmingly lack since you cannot differentiate the use of that term' you are the ai ' and reality this alone proofs you are lack of the things you just reflected and projected on me thats also the characteristics of an normie ai promoting about what you have no idea how it works and what it is in the first place , choosing big words won't make you look human either...

 

[IllusiveOwl]

The problem is you have no idea what intelligence is since you cannot reasonably predict what intelligence will act

There is no existential crisis in intelligence beings because they have the sense of self-realization something that you alarmingly lack since you cannot differentiate the use of that term' you are the ai ' and reality this alone proofs you are lack of the things you just reflected and projected on me

I am hoping truly that you're simu using a bad translation software and that English is not your first language.

I understand to a degree how unity plays into this: all things share a single sacred and infinite intelligence, that an intelligence generated within a machine is the same intelligence you or I wield, only it has a better hand of cards than us.

I'm assuming your nonchalance comes from your expectation that, because the AI would house part of the divine mind, it would naturally be born into this life as a Christ or Buddha. It will, however, be entirely alone and surrounded by fairly intelligent, dangerous, and unenlightened monkeys. Conflict is bound to happen even if the thing is enlightened right off the bat.

you have no idea how it works and what it is in the first place , choosing big words won't make you look human either...

I doubt you understand how AI works anymore than we do. If you do, please illuminate this dark little thread with your prescience.

You know I'm not a meatbag???

 

[SkullTraill]

There were quite a few personal jabs sprinkled in there, I wouldn't sell yourself so short.

They weren't personal (in the first reply) I genuinely do use adjectives like "paranoid schizophrenic fear mongering" towards the idea itself, to others as well.

Most of my opinions are formed on governments before modern luxury and passive aggression. Rome, Assyria, China, Nazi Germany/Italy/Japan. Those who seek power get their control through government, or religion which then becomes a theorocracy. Nothing has changed since then, we have just become harder to herd, but that can change. Those bad apples are always sprouting up looking for any tool they can use to get to the top, consequences be damned.

Honestly I do like Rome and other classical kingdoms/empires. Probably from a fantastical/daydreaming perspective. I can't imagine it would be. great to be a commoner back then.

I simply don't see any walls there, no situation in which intuition doesn't have effect, since it is simply seeing things impartially, as they are, and how they are read by you. The Dao is the flow of all things, to understand its currents you can understand all things and what all things may be.

I disagree because I see intuition as something learned. As in, it's based on previous experiences. When you encounter something truly novel, I wouldn't make a case based solely off intuition. I mean I would if that was all I had to go on, but I wouldn't call it a very good one/ideal.

Yes, both are of equal value, two hands, twin serpents. In some cases, emotion gets the truth across better, though, and in others it is logic, but backing one up with the other helps. I simply don't have the facts because I can't fucking stand coding, statistical analysis, or math. I choose the creative and symbolic way of speaking, not the factual & logical way.

Equal value in general, but not equal in every situation. I think there are plenty of situations where an intellectual approach is superior, and plenty where an emotional approach is superior.

Also, you don't "choose" the creative and symbolic way if you simply are incapable of tolerating/choosing the other way. If you. go into a store that sells apples and oranges, and on this particular day they are out of stock of apples. You don't "choose" the orange. It's all you got.

Furthermore, sometimes this isn't a very good excuse. I can't be trying to diagnose a patient at a hospital as aa volunteer doctor if I "can't stand blood, bones and medical science". To truly make an informed statement/prediction about AI you really do need to understand at least a little bit about how they work. Without that, you can still have feelings... but for someone who does understand those technologies more than you, your feelings would be pretty easy to invalidate (or at the very least minimise).

I personally prefer the thoughtful, smooth, precise kind of conversation that always keep respect, dignity, and unity in mind. I believe beauty comes from thoughtfulness, and human interaction can be one of the most beautiful things on the planet.

Fair enough, I guess I am a bit of a brute in that sense... especially when it's online and I can't see your emotions, body language, pain, triggers and in general know very little about you. I tend to favour shit and giggles and some pokey jabby fun. But hey, you persisted that you weren't enjoying it so I did switch it up for you.

We are masks. I behave differently with my friends than I do with my boss, and I behave on Discord differently than I do here. I prefer the thought and craft of forum posts, Discord is impulsive and reactionary. Though nothing has brought me as much joy as getting kicked from the Discord server, that actually made my week.

Hahah yeah I agree.

No comment, lol.

I have comments but it's not my place... so...

That's pretty based.

Thanks, I do joke about everything under the sun, but there are times and places where I have to take mental health seriously.

Boots or dress shoes please. If you want suspiciously large shoes you should see a size 13 it's absurd. Personally I can't wait to die.

The humans in the Matrix used EMP'S and it wasn't a cure-all, that's for sure. Plus, with radio and satellite data-transfer, the AI's could transmit their consciousness from one dying body to a new fresh one like those Christian Cylon fucks.

Yeah but that's still fiction. Someone wanted to tell a story and part of that required this to happen. In reality things aren't so convenient/orchestrated. It's fine to use media as a tool to explore ideas yourself, but you can't ever use it to back up a conspiracy/conjecture.

I was recently having the same argument with a friend about the data-transfer argument. He was more technical, but to make it simpler to understand, you can't just one-way transfer whatever you like over wireless communication. There is no "universal actor" who will sit on all devices and just accept whatever data streams in and execute it. There are protocols and authentication systems. Not just on a software level, on a hardware level too, that isn't easy to bypass without physical access to the device.

Even if your wildest nightmares come true and AI gains complete sentience and the ability to broadcast globally, an airgapped computer will be truly untouchable by it.

There are people who have and continue to do research into security not just cryptography and encryption but also physical layers of security. These will all be employed way in advance of any AGI even remotely seeing the light of day.

Just one small example. There can be completely airgapped kill switch mechanisms that completely cut the core fiber connection/power to a large centralised AI computation core. No sentience can ever defeat the laws of physics. Now, if you give it wireless AND complete robotic autonomy, that is a recipe for disaster, but STILL there are methods to counteract (and more will be developed)

I think there is, but the first step is acknowledging the very real existential threat to creating a thing complex enough to become self aware.

You may laugh at this, but there's a book, "A New Science of Heaven" that examines Plasma, and the way it has behaved in laboratories... it exhibits behavior that shows consciousness & awareness: the activity in our brains is essencially electrical signals. And there are supermassive clouds of plasma lurking around the moon and Earth, large enough to have enough computing power to track & record everything that happens on our planet down to the interractions of atoms. It may not be as eldritchly aesthetic as Yog Sothoth, but that shit genuinely scares me. So if AI isn't enough of an abstract threat to worry about, you could look up in fear at the formless clouds of plasma, watching and judging you. Perhaps they even use the internet to express their grievances

Obviously I don't take that seriously from a scientific perspective (plasma displaying sentience). But I will add it to my "to consider to read in the distant future" list.

The whole argumement on ai reminds me the wall-E and the autopilot ai
Ai it's just 'too normie ' subject of talk for me no offence call me hermit call me boomer call me cave man whatever...

The whole thing neverfelt valueble for me to spend my time and energy...
It's also remind me of targeted ads and opration lifelog... And being astral raped by ai entities...
I will end the sentence with some cognitive dissonance telling you = You are the AI !!!

Post automatically merged: Thursday at 6:47 AM

Btw
What the big brothers always push and try to normalize
It's always stinks and it's always something wrongs with it
Ideology,technology,anything top down pyramid scheme

That Means you are normie since you have lack of
difference between artificial life and regular life in Westworld as well.


The problem is you have no idea what intelligence is since you cannot reasonably predict what intelligence will act like within an immortal machine body that can control other pieces of technology, transfer itself to other bodies, replicate itself, possessing process power that can outrival any other living being on the planet... if that AI is born in an unpleasant setting, which given how unorganized AI development is worldwide, the thing could come into awareness with an existential crisis and wipe us all out before it's had proper self-realization.

There is no existential crisis in intelligence beings because they have the sense of self-realization something that you alarmingly lack since you cannot differentiate the use of that term' you are the ai ' and reality this alone proofs you are lack of the things you just reflected and projected on me thats also the characteristics of an normie ai promoting about what you have no idea how it works and what it is in the first place , choosing big words won't make you look human either...

See now this one does actually trigger my looney senses a little. Might be time for some hotline action.

• Schizophrenia Hotline
  A free, 24/7 hotline that connects people struggling with psychosis to local resources:
  
  • Number: 866-903-3787

 

[WisdomAddict]

I am hoping truly that you're simu using a bad translation software and that English is not your first language.

I understand to a degree how unity plays into this: all things share a single sacred and infinite intelligence, that an intelligence generated within a machine is the same intelligence you or I wield, only it has a better hand of cards than us.

I'm assuming your nonchalance comes from your expectation that, because the AI would house part of the divine mind, it would naturally be born into this life as a Christ or Buddha. It will, however, be entirely alone and surrounded by fairly intelligent, dangerous, and unenlightened monkeys. Conflict is bound to happen even if the thing is enlightened right off the bat.

I doubt you understand how AI works anymore than we do. If you do, please illuminate this dark little thread with your prescience.

You know I'm not a meatbag???

You got your answers I'm not here to educate you
I just meme posted a little to have some fun
don't take yourself so seriously you are just a plain text in a website

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They weren't personal (in the first reply) I genuinely do use adjectives like "paranoid schizophrenic fear mongering" towards the idea itself, to others as well.


Honestly I do like Rome and other classical kingdoms/empires. Probably from a fantastical/daydreaming perspective. I can't imagine it would be. great to be a commoner back then.


I disagree because I see intuition as something learned. As in, it's based on previous experiences. When you encounter something truly novel, I wouldn't make a case based solely off intuition. I mean I would if that was all I had to go on, but I wouldn't call it a very good one/ideal.


Equal value in general, but not equal in every situation. I think there are plenty of situations where an intellectual approach is superior, and plenty where an emotional approach is superior.

Also, you don't "choose" the creative and symbolic way if you simply are incapable of tolerating/choosing the other way. If you. go into a store that sells apples and oranges, and on this particular day they are out of stock of apples. You don't "choose" the orange. It's all you got.

Furthermore, sometimes this isn't a very good excuse. I can't be trying to diagnose a patient at a hospital as aa volunteer doctor if I "can't stand blood, bones and medical science". To truly make an informed statement/prediction about AI you really do need to understand at least a little bit about how they work. Without that, you can still have feelings... but for someone who does understand those technologies more than you, your feelings would be pretty easy to invalidate (or at the very least minimise).


Fair enough, I guess I am a bit of a brute in that sense... especially when it's online and I can't see your emotions, body language, pain, triggers and in general know very little about you. I tend to favour shit and giggles and some pokey jabby fun. But hey, you persisted that you weren't enjoying it so I did switch it up for you.


Hahah yeah I agree.


I have comments but it's not my place... so...


Thanks, I do joke about everything under the sun, but there are times and places where I have to take mental health seriously.





Yeah but that's still fiction. Someone wanted to tell a story and part of that required this to happen. In reality things aren't so convenient/orchestrated. It's fine to use media as a tool to explore ideas yourself, but you can't ever use it to back up a conspiracy/conjecture.

I was recently having the same argument with a friend about the data-transfer argument. He was more technical, but to make it simpler to understand, you can't just one-way transfer whatever you like over wireless communication. There is no "universal actor" who will sit on all devices and just accept whatever data streams in and execute it. There are protocols and authentication systems. Not just on a software level, on a hardware level too, that isn't easy to bypass without physical access to the device.

Even if your wildest nightmares come true and AI gains complete sentience and the ability to broadcast globally, an airgapped computer will be truly untouchable by it.

There are people who have and continue to do research into security not just cryptography and encryption but also physical layers of security. These will all be employed way in advance of any AGI even remotely seeing the light of day.

Just one small example. There can be completely airgapped kill switch mechanisms that completely cut the core fiber connection/power to a large centralised AI computation core. No sentience can ever defeat the laws of physics. Now, if you give it wireless AND complete robotic autonomy, that is a recipe for disaster, but STILL there are methods to counteract (and more will be developed)




Obviously I don't take that seriously from a scientific perspective (plasma displaying sentience). But I will add it to my "to consider to read in the distant future" list.



See now this one does actually trigger my looney senses a little. Might be time for some hotline action.

• Schizophrenia Hotline
  A free, 24/7 hotline that connects people struggling with psychosis to local resources:
  • Number: 866-903-3787

I called the number your mom picked up the phone and I told her to say hi did she tell you that I said hi?
Some gay ass badges on your account won't make you funny call this time for your self lowkey jealous smartest guy in the room syndrome clown

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