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Genesis is polytheistic

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Genesis 1 (study bible): "In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth- and the earth was without form or shape, with the darkness over the abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters."

The Jewish worldview was that we were basically in a "bubble" (dome) surrounded by water on all sides which water poured through when it rained lol.

The winds are (ruach) also in Qabbalah and bible, But what are these forces in Genesis understood? Water, Wind exist before creation. A primoradial soup which then balances between light and day darkness, are later created and exist in balance. I think this is clearly rooted in polytheistic tradition.

It appears that darkness predates light which makes sense, as a primordial soup but they remain in balance, the light and the dark. Created and creator are one essentially. All light comes from a point called the singularity: concentrated energy. People often times talk about God's light, or God as a solar entity/God and even sometimes the pathetic idea there is a bearded sky daddy. I know that there are planetary associations but I will get to that at some point. I don't emphasize that there are elemental associates either in this thread. But the stars are only the children surrounded by the firmament, Stars if anything illuminate the firmament. I do also subscribe to the Crowleyan view that every man and woman is a star. When I look up the stars, I see people surrounded by the the firmament. which is the concept of Aether. Aether was an idea that worked out mathematically but is dated before special relativity.


"God made two great lights, the day, and the lesser separate to to govern the night of the sky"
Two lights = two Gods

"Then God said: let the water teem with an abundance of living creatures"
Enough said. I am familiar with the concept of Tehom as the primordial waters- and with connections to Hubur/Tiamat.,

Set is the Tetragrammatom to me, as he is foreign darkness yet being a solar deity. Duality.
The solar aspects are basically that he defended the world against Apophis alongside with Ra.
There is also no true sigils to him, because he is the supreme being in action. Set himself initiated me into the LHP

The origin of stars according to science.
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The second view of God is anthropomorphic. It is plural quite simply. It states "then the Lord God said, 'behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil. And now lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of the life and eat, and live forever"

The story of Noah and the great flood is an idea found in many Mesopotamian traditions like the epic of Gilgamesh



Is Asherah the consort of YHVH? I want other people's input. She is associated with the Red Sea. Has anyone had contact with this entity?
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That is a very intelligent take in the first video and the etymological connection with storms (Set, Baal). Did not know that. I will watch the second video soon. Yahweh-El is indeed a combination of two Gods. Also, there is the origin of Christian eschatology in this video. Thanks for the share!

"The yaweh-el assimilation" exchange gave rise to Asherah which was contested as a deity from Yahwists.
Very much is unknown about these pre semitic Goddesses. Anat and Yahweh "both have the proclivity for killing people". "The earlier era was marked by theological convergence and divergence assimilations, and conflict ". Syncretism is key to understanding the polytheistic origin of Yahweh. Monotheism was developed after the commonly accepted polytheism and the imagery and stories are monotheistic. Yahweh is an ethnic God now.

There is a lot to write more about the assault on traditional Gods obviously
I think that magically speaking, the Elohim are "us" (referring to themselves), and astral "forces" and "Gods"
That is just my experience

I am not denying that it isn't a traditional pantheon, but it is rather aspects and traces of the Gods. I am thinking of occultic use of the bible as imagery rather than worship. It is commonly used in magic too which I find interesting.
 

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That is a very intelligent take in the first video and the etymological connection with storms (Set, Baal). Did not know that. I will watch the second video soon. Yahweh-El is indeed a combination of two Gods. Also, there is the origin of Christian eschatology in this video. Thanks for the share!

"The yaweh-el assimilation" exchange gave rise to Asherah which was contested as a deity from Yahwists.
Very much is unknown about these pre semitic Goddesses. Anat and Yahweh "both have the proclivity for killing people". "The earlier era was marked by theological convergence and divergence assimilations, and conflict ". Syncretism is key to understanding the polytheistic origin of Yahweh. Monotheism was developed after the commonly accepted polytheism and the imagery and stories are monotheistic. Yahweh is an ethnic God now.

There is a lot to write more about the assault on traditional Gods obviously
I think that magically speaking, the Elohim are "us" (referring to themselves), and astral "forces" and "Gods"
That is just my experience

I am not denying that it isn't a traditional pantheon, but it is rather aspects and traces of the Gods. I am thinking of occultic use of the bible as imagery rather than worship. It is commonly used in magic too which I find interesting.
OK, I get your point better now. Maybe I was obtuse yesterday.

Re: God and killing, there are some folks who say the whole point of YHWH's cosmos is the phagocytosis of souls
 

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That is a very intelligent take in the first video and the etymological connection with storms (Set, Baal). Did not know that. I will watch the second video soon. Yahweh-El is indeed a combination of two Gods. Also, there is the origin of Christian eschatology in this video. Thanks for the share!

"The yaweh-el assimilation" exchange gave rise to Asherah which was contested as a deity from Yahwists.
Very much is unknown about these pre semitic Goddesses. Anat and Yahweh "both have the proclivity for killing people". "The earlier era was marked by theological convergence and divergence assimilations, and conflict ". Syncretism is key to understanding the polytheistic origin of Yahweh. Monotheism was developed after the commonly accepted polytheism and the imagery and stories are monotheistic. Yahweh is an ethnic God now.

There is a lot to write more about the assault on traditional Gods obviously
I think that magically speaking, the Elohim are "us" (referring to themselves), and astral "forces" and "Gods"
That is just my experience

I am not denying that it isn't a traditional pantheon, but it is rather aspects and traces of the Gods. I am thinking of occultic use of the bible as imagery rather than worship. It is commonly used in magic too which I find interesting.
Usage of Bible in occult is no surprise. Bible faiths dominated Europe for over 1000 years. So it affected the magic practitioners too. Personally I hope that it will slowly give space to more pagan traditions.
 

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Usage of Bible in occult is no surprise. Bible faiths dominated Europe for over 1000 years. So it affected the magic practitioners too. Personally I hope that it will slowly give space to more pagan traditions.
I read an article the other day* that pointed out that not only is Christianity dying out (as measured by church attendance) but other major faiths (Islam, Buddhism, Hinduisms) tend to wither, too, when practitioners move to developed countries. Which sounds like opportunity and challenge for pagan outlooks. There's a vacuum to fill, but consumerism seems to be rushing it to fill it.

by Brett Stevens, wherever he posts.
 

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I read an article the other day* that pointed out that not only is Christianity dying out (as measured by church attendance) but other major faiths (Islam, Buddhism, Hinduisms) tend to wither, too, when practitioners move to developed countries. Which sounds like opportunity and challenge for pagan outlooks. There's a vacuum to fill, but consumerism seems to be rushing it to fill it.

by Brett Stevens, wherever he posts.
Good point. Consumerism brings in chaos that will move things into strange directions. Christianity gained it's power by appealing to slaves. Consumerism has different tactic, but in the end it just like Christianity back then offers easy way...
 

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I am pagan aligned.

Besides consumerism, there is another slave morality in modern society. Identity politics.

Are people's lives any less shittier than before? I mean besides the recent spike in reported mental health crisis? That's obviously less stigma.
Medications will fall short, as neither did locking people away. They will try every medication known to man. Don't get me started on big pharma

I think forced ECT is barbaric
Just like old means of treating mental health were. But nobody talks about that.
I know every day is suffering for some people, but forcing them on medication will only bring upon more distrust and resentment

For those in full blown psychosis it is best to not corner them or force yourself on them because they are reacting like a fearful animal., just trying to protect themselves

ideals remove agency, and are antithesis of experience

It is the new slave morality in action, where everything must serve these identity politics because it is "science"
They are a cult, and their ideas are petty and simple.

Are my thoughts are disorganized?
I can organize my own thoughts, thank you

Misplaced faith in psychology is worse than the idea the bible is infallible
or they are the same- Nietzsche said that
lol the new opium of the masses

They wish to churn out overly medicated slaves and not a threat.
Modern psychology is self help books but saying they are "based in science"
In Academia we call it the mind cure movement,

dead science

Sometimes conspiracy theories are true, not necessarily the most far fetched ones.

the psychological community has the lowest half life for knowledge
I can see why people distrust it,

lol sorry i just had to get that out of my head
 

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I am pagan aligned.

Besides consumerism, there is another slave morality in modern society. Identity politics.

Are people's lives any less shittier than before? I mean besides the recent spike in reported mental health crisis? That's obviously less stigma.
Medications will fall short, as neither did locking people away. They will try every medication known to man. Don't get me started on big pharma

I think forced ECT is barbaric
Just like old means of treating mental health were. But nobody talks about that.
I know every day is suffering for some people, but forcing them on medication will only bring upon more distrust and resentment

For those in full blown psychosis it is best to not corner them or force yourself on them because they are reacting like a fearful animal., just trying to protect themselves

ideals remove agency, and are antithesis of experience

It is the new slave morality in action, where everything must serve these identity politics because it is "science"
They are a cult, and their ideas are petty and simple.

Are my thoughts are disorganized?
I can organize my own thoughts, thank you

Misplaced faith in psychology is worse than the idea the bible is infallible
or they are the same- Nietzsche said that
lol the new opium of the masses

They wish to churn out overly medicated slaves and not a threat.
Modern psychology is self help books but saying they are "based in science"
In Academia we call it the mind cure movement,

dead science

Sometimes conspiracy theories are true, not necessarily the most far fetched ones.

the psychological community has the lowest half life for knowledge
I can see why people distrust it,

lol sorry i just had to get that out of my head
Doubtless some folks need meds, but I have rather too many acquaintances back in the U.S. who seem to be on psych-meds simply because the doctors had no idea how to deal with patients' ennui and angst about real problems and wanted to "do something." Like my niece said, "Sure I am hopelessly in debt, no real job, no future, decaying country on a dying planet but with the meds, I can still enjoy this wonderful weather we're having."
 

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I was mostly bitter thinking about how people would rather shock your brains than allow you to have spiritual messages / voices

"Your thoughts are disorganized"

Who organizes my thoughts? My psychiatrist or me?
 
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