Geopolitical mágick, does it works?

[thiago1v1s1]

With the power that magick provides I don't think it's hard to imagine that world powers would want to get this power for themselves. For a while I thought that the upper echelon of society simply didn't believe in mystical powers, but now it becomes more and more obvious to me that they do. I feel like this can be seen predominantly in the treatment of indigenous peoples in America. Religions like vodou and native American practices were wiped out (to prevent the people from having power) and now they keep this power for themselves¹. I think once you become skeptical enough you start seeing this everywhere³. Another more recent example is the Brazilian elections. Many believe that Lula (who is a well known as a diplomatic figure and centrist politician ) was on his way to win the elections on the 1st ballout, but many people felt something weird about 1 hour before the voting countdown, and he went to 2nd ballout against a literal fascist ( he recently used Mussolini's propaganda) Flavinho.
It felt so weird, because everyone was feeling positive. Than, exactly at 4 pm, many people I know, sensitive and not sensitive felt that something changed and Flavinho went up.

Does it really works? And if yes, do we feel like the structures of reality changes in that way?

 

[ahathoor]

Look... Half the people I knew at university practided sigil magic to help them pass the exam period. It's obvious there are magical operations in political movements... I'm pretty sure the "shadowy cabals of powerful men doing occult operations to control the world" trope has some basis in reality.

If you want to play in that game, I'd say always keep your roots close, and avoid directly opposing any major current (ie. don't try to plug a firehose with your palm).

 

[protim]

See everything has a price, to do a magic to that level need a nation wide price. We become a part of it. Some people do feel the change.

 

[LionheartG]

Yes, it does work and expect the blowback to be tremendous, if you're going up against the old guard.
I used to be in a renegade coven who dabbled in experiments of the sort. Would I do it again? Absolutely not lol - but with the right amount of resources and fellow magicians at your side, if you've got good talent, a young group of magicians could easily take over. The old guard, is well old. They're looking for new and fresh blood too. The new generation!

It's all very tit for tat. Even the old guard has factions that war against each other. Some of them are here in these forums too. All traditions have its place.

Also Vodou is still active, it's never been wiped out and to be honest, it's a very primordial religion connected to primordial sources. It can't really be wiped out, unless you get rid of all oceans, the air we breathe, the sun, the land and all the plants. It's just practiced secretively. There is an active king and queen of Vodou. The king is well, he's located in Benin, he's kind of chill, more of the showboating type and the Queen is a very beautiful, very strangely magnetic black woman and she's married to a very old white billionaire.

 

[Divine Weapon]

Oh it very much does and quite decisively so.

The entire roman state religion was built around this. Rituals, offerings, sacrifices, all meant to use the power of deities to win battles, win wars, and ensure the survival and prosperity of the state. Egypt went a step further - every pharaoh was essentially a wizard-king that had power over the gods and would compel them to do their bidding. John Dee's enochian magick supposedly was behind the downfall of the Spanish Empire and rise of the British Empire, he supposedly manifested the storm that sank the golden fleet.

Of course, this isn't ordinary magick. Simply charging a sigil with the usual methods won't cut it, unless you're the ruling class that can psyop millions of people into powering up a flag through mass egregore-creating propaganda. Child sacrifice, covert through the Epstein network or overt through terrorist attacks & "collateral damage" is routine for them. They also start wars and launch military operations on specific timings to ensure success.

In essense, this kind of magick takes a LOT of power to cast.

Most spirits aren't strong enough to do this on their own, either. You'd need a ritual that provides them with enough juice to affect entire countries, which doesn't sound practical without state-level resources.

Any magick that affects thousands or even millions of people is out of bounds to the ordinary magician. But you don't have to be an ordinary magician. You can either compel a spirit powerful enough to cause this kind of changes, (which is something I have no experience with, not yet at least) or you can master a system that allows you to do this on your own.

Franz Bardon's is one such system, or at least claims as much. In IIH, you learn to condense ridiculous amounts of energy over vast distances. In PME, there's the Mars spirits that can cause wars and disasters. In KTQ, theres formulas for influencing people that can be combined with IIH practices to work on a mass scale, also formulas for manifesting "the greatest miracles", "omnipotence", etc.

I can attest personally that some of this stuff does work and it's fucking terrifying how overwhelming it can be.

 

[ahathoor]

I guess anyone wishing to be a mystical partisan would need to look into how the partisans of the physical realm have operated, or operate. No small irregular resistance fighter would ever think of going directly and openly up against an army. That's not heroic, that would be stunningly dumb. You don't draw a circle and summon a servitor to kill [insert powerful figure here] or cast down [insert nation or worldwide movement]. Try plugging a firehose, the water will still come out, and you'll probably get badly hurt.

Manipulating the egregoric collective realm is kinda like river engineering. Not even the highest echelons of the powerful walk up to a river and avatar-style waterbend it into a new shape. You shape a river by finding where it wants to go, and making minimal changes around it so both you and it are satisfied in the end. Sometimes that minimal change is as little as scratching a dam, and everything changes. Just make sure not to get swept up, egregores are useful servants but horrible masters.

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