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Vonixa Tiresia

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Hello there, and I am Vonixa Tiresia. I am mostly known (at least as of late) as the author behind a few essays discussing the O9A. I am a former adherent of the O9A, having renounced it almost two years ago now, though I should be clear that even when I was an adherent I was never a nazi. For what it's worth, I am also a transsexual.

My interests have since changed and expanded, and I am currently practising a rather eclectic blend of Orphic polytheism, Chaos Magick, and Decadence. Especially the latter, and the connections between the fin de siècle and modern occultism are underappreciated I believe, given Crowley's own beginnings with Decadent poetry (e.g his infamous "White Stains" collection). Given it's rather lacking quality though, perhaps unsurprising because of the gauche title of the collection, it seems most modern Thelemites have abandoned Crowley's earlier days in favour of his other workings.

Still though, to me, the overlap between Decadence's l'art pour l'art sentimentalities, some of the Decadent's own occult tendencies (see also Là-Bas by Huysmans, or Les Sataniques by Félicien Rops), and the "All Art is Magick" assertion by figures like Crowley (q.v Magick in Theory and Practice), it seems rather bizarre that a tradition focusing on art itself as a magickal act doesn't seem to have sprung up. There is a lot of co-existence between the two, Osman Spare, Burroughs, and even the tendencies of Rimbaud, but little formalisation and definitely no movement, organised or otherwise.

Regardless, this post is dragging on at this point. It'll be fun to talk to others around here, and I hope to see some of you around.

ZLD, C.2364
 

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Welcome!
Still though, to me, the overlap between Decadence's l'art pour l'art sentimentalities, some of the Decadent's own occult tendencies (see also Là-Bas by Huysmans, or Les Sataniques by Félicien Rops), and the "All Art is Magick" assertion by figures like Crowley (q.v Magick in Theory and Practice), it seems rather bizarre that a tradition focusing on art itself as a magickal act doesn't seem to have sprung up.
The closest I think you'll get it is in comics. Grant Morrison's "Invisibles" was built as a hypersigil, and Alan Moore had an essay "Fossil Angels" where he slags off the Western magical tradition and suggests that indeed, magic and art are so closely related as to make little difference.
 

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Welcome!

The closest I think you'll get it is in comics. Grant Morrison's "Invisibles" was built as a hypersigil, and Alan Moore had an essay "Fossil Angels" where he slags off the Western magical tradition and suggests that indeed, magic and art are so closely related as to make little difference.
I'm not meaning isolated instances of art as an occult practice (Burroughs did this for example), but some kind of organised movement around the idea that art is magick. I do appreciate the examples though, especially the essay, which I will read shortly.
 

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(...) little formalisation and definitely no movement, organised or otherwise.
Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth was that, I´d say: ´´(...) a loosely federated organization of members and initiates operating as an order of
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Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth was that, I´d say: ´´(...) a loosely federated organization of members and initiates operating as an order of
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I am very aware of Thee Temple aha. Though, I'm not sure it was "formalised" in the sense of theorising about the magickal impacts of art. Perhaps I am wrong, but the co-existence of magick and art isn't exactly the same as art as magick, if that makes sense, and I'm really looking for the latter.
 

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Good evening, Vonixa, and welcome! I have encountered the O9A in articles, and I have a couple of books written by the former head of that group, Michael W. Ford, in my library, and I am glad that you left the group to pursue better things!
 
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