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Hard evidence of encounters with supernatural entities
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I would like to know what would actually be acceptable as "credible hard evidence" in the online milieu.
I also muse that there are those who might answer such a request by sending a supernatural entity directly to the source of inquiry.
I'm just saying I recall seeing a number of posts in the past complaining of something like this.
I also muse that there are those who might answer such a request by sending a supernatural entity directly to the source of inquiry.
I'm just saying I recall seeing a number of posts in the past complaining of something like this.
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Do these count, I wasn't present as far as I know, but...
<-- Thousands of witnesses
<-- Thousands of witnesses
<-- Again lot of witnesses
other like Lourdes, Zeitoun and Knock...
I guess one needs some kind of personal experience to believe...
Problem is nowadays you can make everything with AI so I guess there is no way to prove anything to skeptics online.
<-- Thousands of witnesses
<-- Thousands of witnesses
<-- Again lot of witnesses
other like Lourdes, Zeitoun and Knock...
I guess one needs some kind of personal experience to believe...
Problem is nowadays you can make everything with AI so I guess there is no way to prove anything to skeptics online.
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A believer would consider these phenomena credible and also as evidence of the reality of their faith. A non-believer would normally dismiss these as mass hysteria, possibly via a misinterpretation of plain physical matters of fact (the weather, something in the water, whatever) - the approach being to explain it away as distortion.
As usual, I appeal to Charles Fort's writings on these matters, but he is an acquired taste.
I would think so, though in the occult world "credible evidence" can easily be blown off as UPG, depending on how it is presented.
Hence my wondering about what constitutes evidence in my prior post.
The most "convincing" evidence of unusual phenomena for me, ironically, has always been stuff that just can't be explained - it's not proof so much one way or the other. It leaves me in an agnostic position of wonder at possibilities at the very least.
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My wife likes to record rituals against all advice. Ive got a picture of a djinn in a crystal and video of spirits talking on the winds. Thats about as hard if youre looking for physical stuff like that.
I got my own 'hard evidence' ... basically I am highly skeptical , even though I have all sorts of 'unusual' experiences . Once my doubt was challenged impatiently and I was informed of something that was going to happen , in detail including people's quotes 'word for word ' ... and it was not something normal or reasonable or 'coincidental' , in any way at all . So I thought 'Ha! fat chance ! ' ... then it immediately unfolded , what I told , including the quotes as things people said ... even they seemed surprised by the words coming out of their own mouths .
of course, I could still explain all this away , with my 'over rational demon' ... problem there is , any other cause or explanation is just as 'strange ' or 'supernatural' as what the original occurrences were first thought to be .
There was one other episode where someone described ( what I hesitate to call a ghost , as she was the dearest sweetest old lady ) exactly what I had experienced , without me telling anyone . Again any other explanation requires some type of 'supernatural' acknowledgement .
And, as far as general 'consensus reality' goes ; I am not looking at things from this VERY new and entirely modern and 'localized ' ( ie 'western materialist ' ) view of reality , as I have studied anthropology for over 50 years , and my 'human view' incorporates all places and localities throughout all the time humans have existed ... and in that context ;
'supernatural' is 'natural ' .
of course, I could still explain all this away , with my 'over rational demon' ... problem there is , any other cause or explanation is just as 'strange ' or 'supernatural' as what the original occurrences were first thought to be .
There was one other episode where someone described ( what I hesitate to call a ghost , as she was the dearest sweetest old lady ) exactly what I had experienced , without me telling anyone . Again any other explanation requires some type of 'supernatural' acknowledgement .
And, as far as general 'consensus reality' goes ; I am not looking at things from this VERY new and entirely modern and 'localized ' ( ie 'western materialist ' ) view of reality , as I have studied anthropology for over 50 years , and my 'human view' incorporates all places and localities throughout all the time humans have existed ... and in that context ;
'supernatural' is 'natural ' .
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Rationality can poke holes in most things. The nature of the numinous exceeds the human reason. I don't think spiritual entities can be 'proven' in the manner where accustomed to thinking of proof in accordance with the scientific method. I think they must be engaged through relational encounter and then we cross a threshold where the nature of their being in and through the world becomes apparent.