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Hi all, I hope everyone is doing well! I recently bought some of Nineveh's materials on the Sabaseb Conjurations and his most recent material on Kon Fayakoon. They were quite pricey, but from what I have seen they seem to be some of the better materials available for English speakers for Jinn magick. Does anyone here have any experience with these courses or just his materials in general?

I already did a search here on the forum, but most of the topics are relating to book / course requests that got denied. Another topic started off well and then sort of spiralled only into talking about the Berhatiah aspect of his work. I was hoping to understand more generally what people have felt about his materials, especially if they have experience with his Sabaseb materials. Thanks again in advance!
 

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Did you explore this thread before you posted?

 

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Yes I did. This is the one I was referring to as having spiralled into a specific discussion on the Berhatiah. The scope of the discussion narrowed from the general experiences of Nineveh's work to something more specific, so it didn't answer my question. My purpose here is to ask for a general perspective on his works or at least to understand if anyone has impressions on his Sabaseb conjurations work, which has not been discussed in much detail so far.
 

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Yes I did. This is the one I was referring to as having spiralled into a specific discussion on the Berhatiah. The scope of the discussion narrowed from the general experiences of Nineveh's work to something more specific, so it didn't answer my question. My purpose here is to ask for a general perspective on his works or at least to understand if anyone has impressions on his Sabaseb conjurations work, which has not been discussed in much detail so far.
If you did, then you would have known to open this thread in the book discussions section with the author prefix.
 

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If you did, then you would have known to open this thread in the book discussions section with the author prefix.
Then that is a genuine mistake on my part for not being aware of that part of the rules and having overlooked this, my apologies.

So I'd just like to repose the question on if anyone has had either some success or experiences with Nineveh's work?
 

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Yes, there are quite a few smarter materials than his. There are a lot of them, but not all of them. For some reason, I haven't visited the new ones that are currently being offered. But I have many of the ones published by Ishtar Publishing.

Still waiting for some of these books from their previous publisher - Zadkiel Golden Mean Magic Book of Fortune and Growth
Secrets of Magic Power eReport II (Golden Mean Magic Squares Talismans)
Advanced Holy Guardian Angel Working and the Star Angels
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The most expensive materials they purchased were the following

Council of Seven and the Green Dragon
Secrets of the Masters E-report
48 Silver Leaves of the Moon...
and
Shams al-ma'arif - Partially only 4 or 5 small parts, 1 issue...
 
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I've used Shadrach's materials, although not that much. Some guy recommended the Berhatiya. Since it's similar to sufism/mantras I felt intrigued, I like reciting stuff, it can lead to interesting states and effects.
You have the names and the oath. As already mentioned there are posts on the forum.
The oath ritual, I never completed the ritual because you're supposed to recite it up to something like 1111x. The problem isn't so much about reciting it a lot but visually taking in so much text is annoying, you'd have to memorize it. It's a bit too long to read it at once 555x-1111x without having it memorized. Depending on what practices you're actively doing, previous experiences, it might not suit you well. Different people and paths.

You can work with the names just like the 99 names of Allah. You could focus on 1 or more. Turn it into a daily mantra meditation. I'd say take one at a time.
There were interesting spiritual states and other unique effects.
You could come up with a different DIY plan, reciting the oath some 40-100x and focusing on the names. This will lead you somewhere, after a while. Just prioritize the practice, focus on it. (y)
 

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I've used Shadrach's materials, although not that much. Some guy recommended the Berhatiya. Since it's similar to sufism/mantras I felt intrigued, I like reciting stuff, it can lead to interesting states and effects.
You have the names and the oath. As already mentioned there are posts on the forum.
The oath ritual, I never completed the ritual because you're supposed to recite it up to something like 1111x. The problem isn't so much about reciting it a lot but visually taking in so much text is annoying, you'd have to memorize it. It's a bit too long to read it at once 555x-1111x without having it memorized. Depending on what practices you're actively doing, previous experiences, it might not suit you well. Different people and paths.

You can work with the names just like the 99 names of Allah. You could focus on 1 or more. Turn it into a daily mantra meditation. I'd say take one at a time.
There were interesting spiritual states and other unique effects.
You could come up with a different DIY plan, reciting the oath some 40-100x and focusing on the names. This will lead you somewhere, after a while. Just prioritize the practice, focus on it. (y)

Yes I heard the same thing about his Berhatiya materials. The amount of upfront work is a lot for the modern times and I think a lot of stuff was directly lifted out of the old Arabic manuscripts without much refinement for the modern world. That being said though, I do appreciate the accessibility that he provides to arabic magick that exists outside of the Picatrix. The amount of Jinn material is pretty good, especially with the Sabaseb stuff. Of course, not every course is perfect and I have some gripes about the lack of explanation on some things.

You might also be interested in the Kon Fayakoon course as well. I don't have the capacity to try it right now, but from what I read, it is actually pretty complete and has a lot to work with. Out of the courses I have access to, it is the one that has the most explanation and also the most material to work with. I am keen to try it one day when I can.
 

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TDLR: he thought he could skip lots of work by using math, with the result that most of his materials are sub-par and unreliable.

I have to give a warning to those materials. Nineveh Shadrach system isn't purely arabic, he fills the many holes of his system with western magic, math and plain old creativity. The true problem is that he doesn't understand the science of the letters and squares that he loves so much and uses and abuses.

Have you present when someone critices a ceremonial magician because his correspondances and divine names he got from geomatria and kabbalah are bullshit and have nothing to do with the forces and spirits invoked?
Is that times 11x. While the names that he find in those squares are magical names, there is actually nothing that indicates that those names are what he says they are, that they do what he thinks they do, or even that they are reliable. That method that works really well for divine names falls appart if you try to apply it to specific jinns and servants. Infact many of those names are not what he described, which indicate that he rushed and didn't tested the materials properly, and call different entities from those described.
Just to give one of the many examples, the vast majority of jinns in his Pocket guide to 700 jinn, which, he says, is a list of only heavenly jinns, aren't heavenly and he also doesn't give the protocol for contacting heavenly jinns (it's different than the one for earthly jinns btw).
Others names found in his materials are far worse than the non mathematical derived names. He basically skipped lots of testing and practice by using math and squares with the results that a lot of his materials are really sub-par and aren't reliable.
Which is really strange because some parts of his works are good and he demostrates an above average understanding of the arab system, even above many native practioners. I just have 0 idea why he got fixated on math and squares derivated names for anything. My best guess is that, sadly, it is an easy way to create and sell stuff to his fans, whom they will buy it for some absurd prices.
 

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TDLR: he thought he could skip lots of work by using math, with the result that most of his materials are sub-par and unreliable.

I have to give a warning to those materials. Nineveh Shadrach system isn't purely arabic, he fills the many holes of his system with western magic, math and plain old creativity. The true problem is that he doesn't understand the science of the letters and squares that he loves so much and uses and abuses.

Have you present when someone critices a ceremonial magician because his correspondances and divine names he got from geomatria and kabbalah are bullshit and have nothing to do with the forces and spirits invoked?
Is that times 11x. While the names that he find in those squares are magical names, there is actually nothing that indicates that those names are what he says they are, that they do what he thinks they do, or even that they are reliable. That method that works really well for divine names falls appart if you try to apply it to specific jinns and servants. Infact many of those names are not what he described, which indicate that he rushed and didn't tested the materials properly, and call different entities from those described.
Just to give one of the many examples, the vast majority of jinns in his Pocket guide to 700 jinn, which, he says, is a list of only heavenly jinns, aren't heavenly and he also doesn't give the protocol for contacting heavenly jinns (it's different than the one for earthly jinns btw).
Others names found in his materials are far worse than the non mathematical derived names. He basically skipped lots of testing and practice by using math and squares with the results that a lot of his materials are really sub-par and aren't reliable.
Which is really strange because some parts of his works are good and he demostrates an above average understanding of the arab system, even above many native practioners. I just have 0 idea why he got fixated on math and squares derivated names for anything. My best guess is that, sadly, it is an easy way to create and sell stuff to his fans, whom they will buy it for some absurd prices.
@Pxan02 I actually got the chance to look through a lot of his work and I see where you are going with your thoughts. I can also add my own thoughts after having had the time to review a good portion of his work. I think a lot of it is actually quite good, but I do agree that a lot of his magical squares, celestial jinn material, and maybe the golden mean numerology stuff feels a bit 50/50 to me. A lot of the Jinn names seem to be derived using gematria or some sort of numerology based technique, which sometimes makes me wonder about the veracity of those names.

To be perfectly honest, I would stick to the materials that he curates from actual works. So stuff like his Berhatiah / Sebaseb conjuration systems and courses based off of verified works like Al-Buni / Ibn-Arabi are all probably quite solid since they are partially based off of actual manuscripts. A lot of his bonuses are quite interesting as well and supposedly derive from off-hand manuscripts that are supposed to be quite difficult to find for an average person. My problem is that he never really gives the names of the manuscripts he gets his bonuses from and just claims that they come from a dusty manuscript that contains "great ancient secrets". The best that we see in many of these cases is an image of the manuscript such as his bonus with the Sheeniah conjuration (i.e. a supposed morrocan jinn conjuration). There are other cases which are claimed to be ancient Sufi rituals hidden away in quiet corners of North Africa, which again lack sufficient explanation of their originating manuscript / origins. I bought these bonuses on the belief that they should be legitimate and I still believe there is a good chance they are, but I still wish there was more explanation and information given which would increase general trust in what he says.

In the end, experience and practice are the ultimate keys to verifying how effective his works are. I have tested 2 things of his so far: a Sufi word of protection he claims to have gotten from a manuscript in Sudan and a mantric arabic phrase that is supposed to increase sales / customers, which comes from his Mercury Wealth Titans eBook. In both of these cases, I experienced effective and concrete results with these workings, so I think there is a good chunk of his material that does work. You just need to test them out one-by-one or at least stick to his material that has actual basis in verifiable sources that you can search on the internet. From this perspective, the main value in his work is the english translation he provides and the arabic pronounciations he gives. His other more "unique" works need to be tested out extensively in order to see if they give results. I intend on doing this slowly over time as I get more exposure to it.

As another issue with his work, he often gives stuff "as-is" from the arabic sources. So this would include full 40 day retreats, repeating invocations thousands of times, and full-on ascetic practice, which are utterly impractical for the average modern occultist. I do believe some rigour needs to be applied to any serious magical working outside of the GoM-like modern grimoire genre. So this means not spending 10 minutes on a ritual and attempting to do some real work for the rituals, but this cannot include the massive preparations that the old arabic magi used to do. So in this side, some "innovations" will need to be applied to make the work doable, which might affect the results somewhat. Still, there is so much material from his works to test, that it is hard to say for sure until they are properly tested.
 
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