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[Opinion] Has anyone worked with 67. AMDUCIAS of Goetia? Does he really have this power...

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Grigorij

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He didnt say magick doesnt work. It does. He is stating that his solution is more practical in the context of retaliation. Magick should be used to AVOID conflict and better yourself. Not give into it.
"My will and my tools don't care who you think you are, or what your magic practices are, they always win. The physical will win over this nonsense any day of the week. Leave this work up to the professionals and law enforcement, or walk away.
I don't even know how many times people (usually high AF) cursed me, threatened me, said their demons would hunt me down, they know where I live, blah blah blah. I'm still waiting, since it appears that none of them had what it takes to be real about the lack of skills and the DND mentality. They are mostly deranged or drugged out. And I'm not afraid of any of that, or them."
Your point?
My point is exactly what I said. If your "practical" solution to conflict is physical retaliation, don't lecture others on the "morality" of bending will. It's the same destination, just a different vehicle. And don't worry about the sympathy part, I don't need nor want it.
 

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"My will and my tools don't care who you think you are, or what your magic practices are, they always win. The physical will win over this nonsense any day of the week. Leave this work up to the professionals and law enforcement, or walk away.
I don't even know how many times people (usually high AF) cursed me, threatened me, said their demons would hunt me down, they know where I live, blah blah blah. I'm still waiting, since it appears that none of them had what it takes to be real about the lack of skills and the DND mentality. They are mostly deranged or drugged out. And I'm not afraid of any of that, or them."

My point is exactly what I said. If your "practical" solution to conflict is physical retaliation, don't lecture others on the "morality" of bending will. It's the same destination, just a different vehicle. And don't worry about the sympathy part, I don't need nor want it.
Lol, a pissing contest with someone who refuses to see that my job was enforcement, so if you want to bend wills my way, get a job with the police. There is a huge difference between it being your job, and you making it your own business to TRY and manipulate and control others. But I'm wasting my time because you are obviously convinced you have the right to impose your will on others, WITH magic. Not because it is your job to do so. Not because you have been selected to carry out this job with a high moral and ethical responsibility, but because you want to be superior and impose your will over others. That is the bottom of the barrel, with zero morals or ethics. So you just take a bath in your own cesspool.
You realize that if you were imposing your will on others and I showed up, you would be arrested. What makes you think it will be going any differently when you do that with magic? Do you think there is nothing out there that will stop you? Suddenly you are Stephen Strange?
Luckily, I know enough about magic to know that you will never be able to achieve anything with this attitude, or with the goals you have. So your belligerence is wasted and your time will be wasted as well. Enjoy your frustration. You are blocked and will not be released from your own ego.
I was telling my parents future events as a child, and was thrown in a closet, beaten, starved, and had an exorcism performed on me because of ignorance and belligerent BS beliefs. I had 'magic' going on before I was in school. I know some things, and this garbage is garbage, but I have to say 'to me' or that it is 'my opinion' because all of the babies with their undies in a wad will go tell mommy that I'm being mean and not letting them light the cat on fire like they want. Mommy, he's stopping me from torturing others, wahhh.
You folks need to find something positive to work with, this stuff is total garbage, in my opinion. And, you're seriously awful.
And, oh yes, you are ignored now. So whine away all by yourself.
 

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"My will and my tools don't care who you think you are, or what your magic practices are, they always win. The physical will win over this nonsense any day of the week. Leave this work up to the professionals and law enforcement, or walk away.
I don't even know how many times people (usually high AF) cursed me, threatened me, said their demons would hunt me down, they know where I live, blah blah blah. I'm still waiting, since it appears that none of them had what it takes to be real about the lack of skills and the DND mentality. They are mostly deranged or drugged out. And I'm not afraid of any of that, or them."

My point is exactly what I said. If your "practical" solution to conflict is physical retaliation, don't lecture others on the "morality" of bending will. It's the same destination, just a different vehicle. And don't worry about the sympathy part, I don't need nor want it.
The metaphysical and mundane are not seperate. It is this realization that most magicians eventually use to their advantage.
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Lol, a pissing contest with someone who refuses to see that my job was enforcement, so if you want to bend wills my way, get a job with the police. There is a huge difference between it being your job, and you making it your own business to TRY and manipulate and control others. But I'm wasting my time because you are obviously convinced you have the right to impose your will on others, WITH magic. Not because it is your job to do so. Not because you have been selected to carry out this job with a high moral and ethical responsibility, but because you want to be superior and impose your will over others. That is the bottom of the barrel, with zero morals or ethics. So you just take a bath in your own cesspool.
You realize that if you were imposing your will on others and I showed up, you would be arrested. What makes you think it will be going any differently when you do that with magic? Do you think there is nothing out there that will stop you? Suddenly you are Stephen Strange?
Luckily, I know enough about magic to know that you will never be able to achieve anything with this attitude, or with the goals you have. So your belligerence is wasted and your time will be wasted as well. Enjoy your frustration. You are blocked and will not be released from your own ego.
I was telling my parents future events as a child, and was thrown in a closet, beaten, starved, and had an exorcism performed on me because of ignorance and belligerent BS beliefs. I had 'magic' going on before I was in school. I know some things, and this garbage is garbage, but I have to say 'to me' or that it is 'my opinion' because all of the babies with their undies in a wad will go tell mommy that I'm being mean and not letting them light the cat on fire like they want. Mommy, he's stopping me from torturing others, wahhh.
You folks need to find something positive to work with, this stuff is total garbage, in my opinion. And, you're seriously awful.
And, oh yes, you are ignored now. So whine away all by yourself.
This is a beautiful testament to the topic. Respect to you, Duward. May you have all the blessings that the path can give you.
 

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The metaphysical and mundane are not seperate. It is this realization that most magicians eventually use to their advantage.
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This is a beautiful testament to the topic. Respect to you, Duward. May you have all the blessings that the path can give you.
If you really think that shitshow of a tantrum where he embodies the "making up a guy in your head then getting mad at him" archetype is a testament or something... enjoy the echo chamber
 

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If you really think that shitshow of a tantrum where he embodies the "making up a guy in your head then getting mad at him" archetype is a testament or something... enjoy the echo chamber
He made a correct decision in deciding you are not worth his time anymore. I shall second this decision. You are obviously grounded in cruelty and much ego. May you shift your ways with much success. Blessings to you. And if you do not accept them, then so be it.
 

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OOOO this is getting way too personal!
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The reason I asked about the "bending will" stuff is not to use them against anyone. But I saw it in those books I mentioned and thought of asking if anyone used AMDUCIAS for doing this "bending will" type of stuff. And to what extent can this "bending will" or influence type of power go?

It was a curiosity, and I DID NOT post it to make anyone upset. So if I offended anyone in any way, I am truly sorry!
 
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OOOO this is getting way too personal!
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The reason I asked about the "bending will" stuff is not to use them against anyone. But I saw it in those books I mentioned and thought of asking if anyone used AMDUCIAS for doing this "bending will" type of stuff. And to what extent can this "bending will" or influence type of power go?

It was a curiosity, and I DID NOT post it to make anyone upset. So if I offended anyone in any way, I am truly sorry!
Yeah, it got very personal. One clearly deals with a lot of trauma stuff and I believe they need professional help. They started projecting their trauma on us, specially on me because I engaged in the discussion, created a caricature in his mind and started attacking it, mixing strawmen with personal attacks. But the biggest issue I see here is that the other one acted as an enabler, enforcing their dysfunctional beliefs; I can't tell if they're just a troll or not
I said sometimes Amduscias' power is necessary and that the practitioner has full responsibility over their actions. They started saying I go around using that kind of power indiscriminately like a psychopath, hurting people and all that jazz. In fact, I've never recurred to the power of bending the will of anyone other than asking Dantalion to work on me to help me to overcome insecurities, if that even counts
I don't think you have anything to apologize for
 
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