Have spirits have you sleep paralysis to test your strength?

[lumineth Realm Lord]

Is this a common thing on this path?

 

[HellenaHex]

Not that I’m aware of. Though it certainly could happen depending on what you saw during the event. Typically they can just get an over all impression of you, observe you, or will influence dreams if test are needed for whatever reason. Fear eaters, Mara, and entities of that type are more to blame for sleep paralysis. Assuming it’s not a condition you are aware you suffer from on your own.

 

[lumineth Realm Lord]

I've been working with the Draconian Ritual Book this month, and twice I've experienced dreams of being paralyzed. The first time, I got a good look at the thing. It was like an orc or ogress wearing a tattered sheet. It felt like it was trying to deliver a message. Second time around, it felt like several beings, and they were trying to measure whether or not I'd attempt to move or speak in this state.

 

[HellenaHex]

Hmm… well there are some people who react to dark fae the way you’re describing. When a fae causes it, it’s from the fae’s other nature and energy that people are reacting to if they haven’t experienced it before. For example most people have memories of when they were children running and jumping up onto the bed at night to avoid the danger of the darkness below it. This primal fear of darkness in our fear of the unknown and what we don’t understand manifesting, but it’s more than that. It’s also our fear of infinite possibilities. Because children aren’t so guarded and are willing to accept the uncanny as being a distinct possibility they completely believe they could be touched by the otherness more easily and so they are. So when something such as a dark fae manifest or tries to interact it can cause us to experience this feeling of dread like when we were children. More so it’s more likely to happen at an in between time, place, or state such as the state between waking and dreaming. During this state we are more vulnerable to spiritual attacks like from fear eaters and spiritual encounters in general.

However, you didn’t mention if it actually frightened you. If you weren’t frightened then you didn’t experience true sleep paralysis and you can also rule out fear eaters and Mara being the culprits. It could still technically be a type of fae but it’s not a dark fae or one I’ve personally encountered. I have no doubt that other spirit entities can cause us to have the similar reactions. It’s is possible whatever they are, they are trying to communicate with you. The best way to take control of the situation is to do a form of psychic protection, and or a protective ritual/spell on you or where you sleep.

Next consciously decide you are open to communications and tell yourself before you fall asleep that you want to communicate with whatever is trying to contact you in your dreams. Next as you’re falling asleep tell yourself you won’t let fear rule you and that you will open all closed door and windows. This is important because often in our dreams spirits approach us and try to deliver messages. However, we experience that fear and will try to keep them out or away. So if you ever had a nightmare where there was something trying to get in and you were struggling to keep it out it’s possible you were blocking spirit contact.

You mentioned that you’re working with the draconian ritual book. What part of it were you currently working on the nights you experienced these events? That could give you a clue as to what might wish to communicate with you. If you find you’re more receptive to spirit contact while in an in between state there are ways that you can induce it. To induce a hypnagogic state it helps to lie on your back and you can’t move. There will be a point during this that your body will suddenly really want you to but you but ignore it and fight it. If you do it will slowly trick you body into trigger sleep paralysis while laying there you may repeat a mantra in your mind. Close your eyes and if you can visualize try using the Tetris effect to help slip you into that state. You can easily find out more on the Tetris effect online. The goal is to make yourself available to whatever is reaching out. If it doesn’t work the first time don’t feel discouraged. Most people won’t achieve it their first attempt.

If you are gifted at divination or channeling those would be other great methods to try for communication. Divination wise Pendulum readings are usually quite useful for making contact. To increase energy in the area for entities to draw from that aren’t you, light some candles. Try these methods for about seven days when you can and see what you uncover.

 

[ElectricEgregore]

My understanding of working with darker entities sometimes is matching with the process of working with darker aspects of oneself,
for example being tested in different ways, mostly keeping ones part of the bargain is enough, but still, some will only work with you if they feel you're proven worthy. So i would even argue that, even if sleep paralysis is a kind of tormenting state, it is almost the ideal 'kind' of intensity.

Of course most would prefer 'normal dream visitations'.

I had no such things happen to me, but I was told by someone i once got to know that she was having these things happening on very deep level for a long time. She also figured that it happens more often with RH-Negative blood types, like her type, the most rare one, type 0-negative. She also was a doctor and not the 'braggy type', so i have no reason to distrust her. She aslo mentioned other things like the radio in her car reacting to her physically and such things - like when her hand comes near she always changes the channel by accident and so on.

There are many myths and theories on this part of the phenomenon, some connect it to nephelim and certain metals that are prevalent in the blood that stem from different types of evolutionary circumstances. But that is to be taken with a grain of sulphur

Basically some connect these sensitivities or psychic tendencies to physical aspects too.

I guess working with dream related entities and working on gaining control in these realms, being it lucid dreaming or creating ones astral place etc could help to get through this with more control, if that even is what you would want?
Forgot where i heard that one, but i also heard that there are ways to break out of the paralysis and go directly into the astral so to speak, because the paralysis is closer to this realm than a regular dream is.


Hellena, could you maybe expand a little on the entities you mentioned and where to find resources to learn on such things?

 

[lumineth Realm Lord]

Hmm… well there are some people who react to dark fae the way you’re describing. When a fae causes it, it’s from the fae’s other nature and energy that people are reacting to if they haven’t experienced it before. For example most people have memories of when they were children running and jumping up onto the bed at night to avoid the danger of the darkness below it. This primal fear of darkness in our fear of the unknown and what we don’t understand manifesting, but it’s more than that. It’s also our fear of infinite possibilities. Because children aren’t so guarded and are willing to accept the uncanny as being a distinct possibility they completely believe they could be touched by the otherness more easily and so they are. So when something such as a dark fae manifest or tries to interact it can cause us to experience this feeling of dread like when we were children. More so it’s more likely to happen at an in between time, place, or state such as the state between waking and dreaming. During this state we are more vulnerable to spiritual attacks like from fear eaters and spiritual encounters in general.

However, you didn’t mention if it actually frightened you. If you weren’t frightened then you didn’t experience true sleep paralysis and you can also rule out fear eaters and Mara being the culprits. It could still technically be a type of fae but it’s not a dark fae or one I’ve personally encountered. I have no doubt that other spirit entities can cause us to have the similar reactions. It’s is possible whatever they are, they are trying to communicate with you. The best way to take control of the situation is to do a form of psychic protection, and or a protective ritual/spell on you or where you sleep.

Next consciously decide you are open to communications and tell yourself before you fall asleep that you want to communicate with whatever is trying to contact you in your dreams. Next as you’re falling asleep tell yourself you won’t let fear rule you and that you will open all closed door and windows. This is important because often in our dreams spirits approach us and try to deliver messages. However, we experience that fear and will try to keep them out or away. So if you ever had a nightmare where there was something trying to get in and you were struggling to keep it out it’s possible you were blocking spirit contact.

You mentioned that you’re working with the draconian ritual book. What part of it were you currently working on the nights you experienced these events? That could give you a clue as to what might wish to communicate with you. If you find you’re more receptive to spirit contact while in an in between state there are ways that you can induce it. To induce a hypnagogic state it helps to lie on your back and you can’t move. There will be a point during this that your body will suddenly really want you to but you but ignore it and fight it. If you do it will slowly trick you body into trigger sleep paralysis while laying there you may repeat a mantra in your mind. Close your eyes and if you can visualize try using the Tetris effect to help slip you into that state. You can easily find out more on the Tetris effect online. The goal is to make yourself available to whatever is reaching out. If it doesn’t work the first time don’t feel discouraged. Most people won’t achieve it their first attempt.

If you are gifted at divination or channeling those would be other great methods to try for communication. Divination wise Pendulum readings are usually quite useful for making contact. To increase energy in the area for entities to draw from that aren’t you, light some candles. Try these methods for about seven days when you can and see what you uncover.

I would do the Draconian Opening, the chakra meditation, then the Asmodeus invocation.

And yeah, it was terrifying.

 

[Morell]

My understanding of working with darker entities sometimes is matching with the process of working with darker aspects of oneself,
for example being tested in different ways, mostly keeping ones part of the bargain is enough, but still, some will only work with you if they feel you're proven worthy. So i would even argue that, even if sleep paralysis is a kind of tormenting state, it is almost the ideal 'kind' of intensity.

Of course most would prefer 'normal dream visitations'.

I had no such things happen to me, but I was told by someone i once got to know that she was having these things happening on very deep level for a long time. She also figured that it happens more often with RH-Negative blood types, like her type, the most rare one, type 0-negative. She also was a doctor and not the 'braggy type', so i have no reason to distrust her. She aslo mentioned other things like the radio in her car reacting to her physically and such things - like when her hand comes near she always changes the channel by accident and so on.

There are many myths and theories on this part of the phenomenon, some connect it to nephelim and certain metals that are prevalent in the blood that stem from different types of evolutionary circumstances. But that is to be taken with a grain of sulphur

Basically some connect these sensitivities or psychic tendencies to physical aspects too.

I guess working with dream related entities and working on gaining control in these realms, being it lucid dreaming or creating ones astral place etc could help to get through this with more control, if that even is what you would want?
Forgot where i heard that one, but i also heard that there are ways to break out of the paralysis and go directly into the astral so to speak, because the paralysis is closer to this realm than a regular dream is.


Hellena, could you maybe expand a little on the entities you mentioned and where to find resources to learn on such things?

A lot of new info for me, but thanks for it. Didn't know that spirits might actually test a person, but it actually makes sense. It should even more on LHP, though there I give myself enough soda myself. Lol. Though I think that they might have tested me few times. (probably failed in those...)

 

[ElectricEgregore]

A lot of new info for me, but thanks for it. Didn't know that spirits might actually test a person, but it actually makes sense. It should even more on LHP, though there I give myself enough soda myself. Lol. Though I think that they might have tested me few times. (probably failed in those...)

For the testing - As far as I know, mostly from researching wealth magick related entities - there are of course different characters.
Very much depends on the outcome one wishes to manifest - When your goal is to become financially independent, there will only be real progress if you behave in certain ways and do your part, so Clauneck for example will help very little or very much depending on ones commitment.

Kind of comparable to the famous Muses that appear when one 'shows up every day' getting better in ones craft.

Then there are some that are known for being more strict or unforgiving energies like Mammon, but that is also related to the complex goal of building generational wealth - and all the things one has to do to reach such a goal.

It's basically also related to 'interest to work with you' from them. If you ask for something and are not consistent enough there will be no desire for partnership. In contrast to angelic magick, as demons have free will, or could even be called the embodiment of it.

A different angle I thought about was the one with the parallel to shadow work in psychotherapy. You will have to go deep inside your problems, shortcomings, pain points to release the old habit or neurosis that is holding you back.

Similarly when working with Asmodeus that governs many things related to sex and lust, you are beginning a process of working through your own sexuality and things that come with it- so it's a bit like uncovering and confronting ones programming in formative years related to sexuality, relation to the own body and so on. So these things can come up when working with him to for example reach an sexuality related goal with him.

That's what I meant with testing.

The blood rhesus type thing is very fascinating, but also seems like a well guarded topic that some wild theories exist on, especially the differences and significance of positive vs. negative blood types. So the speculation begins for many when they uncover that the wombs of to be mothers with rh-neg blood types usually reject the seed or embryo of rh-pos men. And it goes deeper into conspiracy stuff when looking at anthropological statistics and royal lineages etc.

Dream related, I yesterday just randomly found out when researching Surgat and Duke Syrach that they have some very interesting powers that can help in the Astral.

Surgat is a gatekeeper and can open Nexions and Gates and also help to astral project from dreams. He and Syrach can help to shapeshift ones astral body into different forms.

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I'm not deep enough into my research yet to be able to tell if there are even better partners to accomplish a form of control in these realms.

 

[tomhanks]

Is this a common thing on this path?

Alright , before I say anything you have to realise I am a novice in this. So iam only talking from my experience.But I only got sleep paralysis once in my life. I was not just afraid, I was petrified . That's sleep paralysis.

But I realised after a couple of minutes I could actually move my finger tips which were like frozen untill that moment. Then I started moving my fingertips, my whole hand. The thing that was on top of me , which still had a human form actually felt less powerful. Like I was taking its power. Not borrowing but absorbing. Then when I wanted to sit straight and deal with it face to face , I woke up. Maybe a dream but I definitely know that I saw it creeping up and climbing on me. It was not dream. But when it got over , I woke up like it was just a dream.

Maybe it was a dream. And I only had it once .

 

[no_wave_9212]

This is a good question. I read a chapter on channeling and that night I had a dream about being held down by an unseen force with a gust of air blowing over me. And a woman's voice was instructing me to visualize certain things, and she started speaking faster and faster until things were a blur. I couldn't move in the dream but I also couldn't move in real life. It was scary and I definitely didn't think it was something benign. But it only happened the one time. Hopefully things get better for you.

 

[ElectricEgregore]

This is a good question. I read a chapter on channeling and that night I had a dream about being held down by an unseen force with a gust of air blowing over me. And a woman's voice was instructing me to visualize certain things, and she started speaking faster and faster until things were a blur. I couldn't move in the dream but I also couldn't move in real life. It was scary and I definitely didn't think it was something benign. But it only happened the one time. Hopefully things get better for you.

That's a very interesting report of a sleep paralysis experience. It reminds me of the feeling I often had when falling asleep when I was younger.

It always started with a sort of hearing distortion, where things kind of echoed in a way that the inner voice sounded like on 1.5-2x speed while thinking. Also there was the sensation that was hard to explain, it was as if something heavy and really big was coming close to something like an atom, I'm not sure if I was representing the big thing or the atom.

I felt kind of confirmed when I read about a similar experience in a trip report of someone using Changa (special way to prepare DMT).
He said it reminded him of this sensation he had going to sleep when he was younger with the big meeting the atomic at some point.

 

[Angelkesfarl]

The term "sleep paralysis" is simply an easier way for the spirits to express to you that, my friend, you are operating without a deterrent or a protection hedge (barrier). This is a harmful situation because, in this case, you are telling the spirits or demons that you are merely a toy in their hands.I strongly advise you to seek fortification (Tahseen) and protective shields (Duroo' Al-Wiqayah).$$Do you actually believe that if you sleep in a forest without protection, the bears won't bother you? That's a very funny notion!

 

[no_wave_9212]

The term "sleep paralysis" is simply an easier way for the spirits to express to you that, my friend, you are operating without a deterrent or a protection hedge (barrier). This is a harmful situation because, in this case, you are telling the spirits or demons that you are merely a toy in their hands.I strongly advise you to seek fortification (Tahseen) and protective shields (Duroo' Al-Wiqayah).$$Do you actually believe that if you sleep in a forest without protection, the bears won't bother you? That's a very funny notion!

That makes a lot of sense

 

[Angelkesfarl]

That makes a lot of sense

Understanding is the first shield. Implementation is the second. Stay protected

 

[FireBorn]

The term "sleep paralysis" is simply an easier way for the spirits to express to you that, my friend, you are operating without a deterrent or a protection hedge (barrier). This is a harmful situation because, in this case, you are telling the spirits or demons that you are merely a toy in their hands.I strongly advise you to seek fortification (Tahseen) and protective shields (Duroo' Al-Wiqayah).$$Do you actually believe that if you sleep in a forest without protection, the bears won't bother you? That's a very funny notion!

I dont use protection and I never have those experiences. I work with demons directly and I dont have those experiences. Imagine that!

What if spirits are using sleep paralysis as a teaching method, who are you to decide for the OP that it is a negative? Oops. Inecting your religious fear onto OPs experience is not helpful. We can speculate, we can share based on our frameworks and experiences, but to diagnose with such certainty is ignorance on full blast with ego driving the ship. Sad.

OP didn't say it was terrible, or that he wished it to stop. So why assume otherwise? Leave the preaching in the Religion sub forum please, you are clearly out of your element in this sub forum.

 

[Angelkesfarl]

I did not use religion or refer to preaching; where did you get that idea? I am speaking from the reality of what the spirits have told me: testing your strength through sleep paralysis will never be for an educational path. It is impossible for one who serves you sincerely to harm you. Look at anyone suffering from sleep paralysis and ask them: was it a happy experience?

From years of practical experience, I have found that for most of those who suffer—and I repeat, suffer—from sleep paralysis, it is not merely a test of strength. Rather, it is a notification that your strength is weak. Torture cannot emanate from an entity that respects your power, because it simply defeats you. I know some practitioners who suffer from sleep paralysis during contact and receive information, but it is dictated to them as orders from entities that protect themselves by imposing paralysis on the medium to prevent them from breaking free. This is what I have witnessed, and there are testimonies and results from real work I have done in my community as a form of assistance to everyone.

Therefore, there is no justification for me to find individuals here exercising intellectual or religious authoritarianism over me based on a single idea: 'You think with a religious mindset, so go to hell.' I need to understand: must I walk only according to your specific view of life? Listen to me well: I am not a student of anyone here, nor am I boasting or claiming to be the sole possessor of knowledge. However, my response is mine alone; it represents me. I have not imposed it on others, yet everyone seems to want to impose their own views on me. What is even stranger is the clear abandonment of the discussion in favor of attacking my persona in a way that can only be described as impolite.

 

[FireBorn]

I did not use religion or refer to preaching; where did you get that idea? I am speaking from the reality of what the spirits have told me: testing your strength through sleep paralysis will never be for an educational path. It is impossible for one who serves you sincerely to harm you. Look at anyone suffering from sleep paralysis and ask them: was it a happy experience?

From years of practical experience, I have found that for most of those who suffer—and I repeat, suffer—from sleep paralysis, it is not merely a test of strength. Rather, it is a notification that your strength is weak. Torture cannot emanate from an entity that respects your power, because it simply defeats you. I know some practitioners who suffer from sleep paralysis during contact and receive information, but it is dictated to them as orders from entities that protect themselves by imposing paralysis on the medium to prevent them from breaking free. This is what I have witnessed, and there are testimonies and results from real work I have done in my community as a form of assistance to everyone.

Therefore, there is no justification for me to find individuals here exercising intellectual or religious authoritarianism over me based on a single idea: 'You think with a religious mindset, so go to hell.' I need to understand: must I walk only according to your specific view of life? Listen to me well: I am not a student of anyone here, nor am I boasting or claiming to be the sole possessor of knowledge. However, my response is mine alone; it represents me. I have not imposed it on others, yet everyone seems to want to impose their own views on me. What is even stranger is the clear abandonment of the discussion in favor of attacking my persona in a way that can only be described as impolite.

You claim you're not preaching, but your entire reply reads like a decree from some mountaintop. “This will never be educational. It is impossible for a sincere spirit to harm. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.” That's not discussion, It’s dogma with extra theatrics.

Your path, and your views are as subjective as everyone elses, something to keep in mind moving forward.

Plenty of experienced practitioners, myself included, have had encounters that were initiatory, instructive, or both. Just because it doesn’t fit your framework doesn’t make it invalid. If you want your view respected, extend that same courtesy instead of declaring spiritual monopoly. Its a basic concept really.

And as for being offended that others don’t want to walk your path? That’s not abandonment of discussion. That’s called discernment.

So yeah, you are out of your element in this sub forum. You come off tone deaf and unwilling to let others speak from lived experience unless it mirrors your framework. I’ll always call that out, even if I don’t personally walk the same path as the people you’re trying to override. It’s called integrity. Some things are sacred.

Your whole last paragraph, yeah thats projection plain and simple. You can keep that in your pocket for someone else.

And to be fair, here is what you did get right: You said, “From years of practical experience…” Now that’s what you should have led with. Your experience. That’s what resonates. That’s the gold. Shared experience. Not demanding. Not talking at, but with. That nuance matters more than you might think.

Consider this: you could end posts like this with YMMV “your mileage may vary.” It’s a small thing, but it gives readers permission to take what’s useful and not feel invalidated if their path looks different. That kind of framing opens doors instead of closing them.

I get that you’re likely not from the U.S., and social tone varies depending on culture. But since you’re already using ChatGPT, try asking it to help you be more relatable. I’m not saying soften your message, I’m saying make it more shareable. There’s a difference. And it’s worth learning.

 

[Angelkesfarl]

Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong

I did not write this text, or rather, I am not saying this, and I do not know how you got these impressions or understood it this way.

I get that you’re likely not from the U.S., and social tone varies depending on culture. But since you’re already using ChatGPT, try asking it to help you be more relatable. I’m not saying soften your message, I’m saying make it more shareable. There’s a difference. And it’s worth learning.

When I used this, I received a warning from the administration regarding the excessive use of Artificial Intelligence.

Finally, just because you haven't encountered pain or fear in your magical experiments or spirit evocations doesn't mean others aren't suffering. We all know here that spirits are living, sentient entities capable of both good and evil. I want to clarify my perspective as a practitioner: a spirit that truly serves you will never cause you pain. I am well aware of the 'introductory tests'—for instance, a spirit might appear as a lion and then transform into a human; the test here is for your courage.

But let me raise a question: what if you cannot compose yourself and you succumb to fear? What happens then? My answer is that you will be tormented, and you might even die. History is full of true accounts of those who perished due to neglecting their protective circles, a danger all authors and practitioners warn against. In our tradition, there are famous practitioners who died in their retreats with expressions of deep terror etched on their faces; they became arrogant in their practice, and their ends were horrific.

I am not here to frighten anyone, but I must give this warning because there are practitioners here, along with curious onlookers and visitors. Therefore, I repeat: if you feel anything like sleep paralysis while dealing with the other world, you must immediately seek a trusted expert or a practitioner known for their integrity and competence. Lastly, the term 'impoliteness' was a mistranslation on my part; my intended meaning was 'refinement' or 'etiquette.'

Thank you."