Have you become God yet? The point of Theurgy

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Interesting topic and good question. Though you can ask that one on anything magic related.

Though the question "What if...?" can be dangerous, because it makes you stop and wonder about possibilities. And since possibilities are endless in both good and bad ways, you might end stranding on one place for entire life. Now that is time wasted well.

As LHP practitioner I do aim for immortality and kind of divinity. Do I waste my time? Maybe. However going for it and making mistakes is offering me chances to learn and grow. So even if the ultimate goal might never be reached, I still will be able to know that I did my best and I learned something in the process...

Problem with Theurgy itself is that there are multiple definitions. Take a look at Wiki for them. It can be working with the gods in attempt to self improve, it can be attempt to merge with certain god, it can be developing your own divinity... maybe even more possible paths?

I went for the LHP path once, felt glorious for a bit... then i got humbled. Mental break down, 3 concussions in a year, lost my car, job security threatened.

I don't think i have enough defiance to keep it up. How long have you been pursuing immortality?

Before I respond to a lot of these questions, I want to be upfront. Some people would read this as boasting (others would call this knowing a godlike feature), which is exactly why I hesitated to comment. I’m still choosing to share my perspective because I want to encourage anyone working with theurgy. You can use magick as a tool for real self transformation. It sucks to believe you’re stuck the way you are, but change is possible with a lot of practice.

When it comes to belief in the afterlife, you don’t have to physically die to have any understanding of what comes after. I interact with deceased humans, and I learned through those experiences and their accounts. This topic is deeply personal and shaped by culture, religion, and individual belief. It’s not something I want to debate, because I respect everyone’s beliefs.

As for opinions about the unseen world, it’s important to distinguish between practitioners speaking from direct, lived experience and those repeating what they’ve read from any books. Reading alone isn’t the same as actual contact. If you don’t have much experience yet, take notes from people who do have lived experience and compare them to your own results later. Once you’re doing the work yourself, you’ll be able to see the notes will be the same of the unseen world.

Theurgy isn’t about getting stuff, it’s about changing the practitioner. Workings that aim at inner transformation. That doesn’t mean devotion to any God. Some people understand theurgy as self deification, or becoming more godlike. Others see it as aligning with the highest principle they recognize, or becoming closer to the divine.

For example, if someone has a short temper, they can change that pattern rather than accepting it as fixed. If someone is pessimistic, they can identify the root of it and transform that. This is the kind of change I’m talking about. It’s not a temporary mood shift, but using magick to transform you, and reshaping of how you live.

Cool, I'm interested in your methods of contacting the dead, I've done a couple of psychopomp rituals, to help my grandfather and my friend's mum to go to the next stage (they were both super christian, and they seem stuck since the afterlife wasn't what they expected, ie straight to heaven). My friend's mom trusted me and went peacefully, grandpa needed a shove through the door. But dang it got creepy and taxing when one of my wifes great great great aunt kept waking me up. Telling me, "im emily, i have 3 fingers". I woke up and asked my wife her great aunts name and how many finger she lost in the accident and it checked out.
Would totally like to hear your stories, maybe in another post, if your willing to share.
But yeah im a noob, got no one i know that can contact the dead.

Its not "being a good person" although virtue is tied into the process. Its becoming as the god, for example to perform theurgy with Saturn one would have to assume internally his most simple principles. Silence, decay, death. You have to become Saturn to receive him. This is the foundational law of magic like with like or correspondence. If you can make your soul as Saturn, and your environment as Saturn, you can then become as Saturn.

The technical process itself is very similar to tantra and kabbalah. The theurgist is constructing a numinous vehicle through meditation and devotion that can then be lifted up to the god. So the soul leaves the body and becomes as the god. This is done while alive. Its a very real experience, similar to descriptions of the ascent and descent that happens with mystics.

The virtuous part of it is cultivating the virtue that aligns with the deity you are doing theurgy with. A diety will not assume a body and a soul can not unite with the deity if it is carrying qualities that counter-react to the deity. The neoplatonists understand the gods as simple in their unity. So the complexity of human behavior and psychology is divorced from diety, it is a multiplicity. The theurgist must collapse their inner division into unity in order to achieve union, and this is done through virtues that are considered first principles or simple forms.

We also have to understand that "virtue" in this context is not Christian Virtue (be humbly, be charitable, be poor) etc etc. Virtue in a classical context is an eternal form that is a type of unity that things can participate in. Such as beauty, harmony, good, or depending on the context chaos and death. If the virtue is useful and eternal when approached intelligibly then it is of the gods. And your alignment to it brings you closer to the diety. So if someone was doing Theurgy with Typhon/Set they would need to approach Chaos and Destruction as a virtue, its role in the cycle of change.

So this numinous vehicle, is it separate from the energetic body, or does it become a permanent attachment?
Is the Merkaba a type of numinous vehicle?

So you are here, waiting for the train and no-one knows if it's coming at all. Are you just going to sit there at the depot until pigeons nest in your hair and your shoes sprout roots? Are you going to go into town and drink yourself silly or start a family and die of old age; become a member of congress maybe, or rob a bank? Or maybe just maybe you hitch your damn U-Haul to the Morning Star because it is by far and long and wide the best game in town. You will go far and die trying and you will fail but at the end of the day you will look back on your life in wonder because you actually did something with it worth doing.

Haha this was gold. I dunno what it's called but i like what you did there. You convinced me to look into it.

I feel it because most people are now reaching for the light at the very time when. Why is there so much around. It's a lot. Just like the writer's oh. The darkness is approaching and becomes very strong when a strong light approaches, so.
But theurgists say that darkness and light collaborate in the higher realms-Spheres. Therefore, we must quickly restore our coordinators, who collaborate with the higher worlds and guide us toward attaining them. Some through shadow properties, some through darkness, some through light. But all this leads to attainment of the highest through the means available to them.
To reach these highest vibrations, one must rotate, figuratively speaking, turn, spin with incredible speed Around the center.

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These are meditations, the power of the ineffable, meditation on the divine logos of all existing lotuses, meditation on the body of the divine spirit. This is pulsation meditation. Meditation on the golden pyramid of the highest radiance. Meditation. The growth of the magician and the doing. Five types, including golden stars, golden crosses, golden spheres in the highest state at the 10 poles of the world, then the absolute awakening of the 10 columns. Bringing the 10 elements into action. Awakening their power within oneself. Next, Fiery Flowers...

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To change any situation for the better, as I need to I recently completed these 10 powerful meditations in a row for this.

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Golden magicians of theurgy, specialists of the 3rd circle, work with the entire spectrum of power at once, that is, they cover the entire spectrum of power at once in their rituals, ceremonies, actions and ritualistics.

From what tradition are these practises from?