Have you ever thought that Lucifer is god?

[Adamon]

"It is a gnostic perspective because my beliefs are biased toward it, but what if it is true? If you read some of the gnostic gospels, especially the one where Jesus reveals how was the creation of the world, technically the demiurge is the serpent of the Tree of Knowledge. Moreover, it turns out that the Tree of Knowledge was never what it represents in the LHP. Instead of being the cause of awakening, it was synonymous of condemnation.

In addition, if I'm not mistaken, it was Michael W. Ford who presented this idea too. This is the thing that most disturbs me about this path. I mean, what if there isn’t any adversary? What if there isn’t any exit? And what if both sides are just "bitches" of the demiurge?

If you think about it, there are a lot of black wizards working with cosmic powers such as Saturn, a planet that we know is related to the demiurge. I mean, I don’t like the gnostic side—it’s nothing but right-hand path nonsense. So, what do you think about this?"

 

[WisdomAddict]

As I read the different sources LHP and gnostic
It's been said that demiurge send his foot army and managed to kill the Jesus ( being the true God source manifestation on that timeline ) to keeping the souls trapped here.
(Is this simulation really a place that true God sources wanted to exist , so he let all of this happen ?)
(Is the demiurge just the lower dimmentional reflection of the true God ?( I don't think so)
(Does really Jesus provided the god source divine material aka Sophia's essence to create man and the material universe ?(I can't blasphemy )
What's the whole point of all of this clown realm ? = ????
What we need is 'keys' not just more raw information that's makes even more confusion...

In my percpctive everything inside the simulation is made by demiurge and it's rulling under it's governce and it's need to be overcomed by the inner gnosis and gaining godsource consciousness and bypassing the planetary archons and outer matrix's of the physical matrix including time matrix...
(The. What might happen after all of that !? Home return to Godhead of true God source or endless reincarnation for demiurge and the archons amusement !?
I'm still on searching
The link here that most of the schools are pointing to the demiurge as the lier and the false creator and they all point to him as the source of all missary

All I know is the true representation of the godsource being the lord Jesus Christ since I had personal encounter with him literally in our reality like he was from a complete higher dimension that we look like 2d cartoon comapre to his image...
And I understand your points because what we are looking for its might be lost or lost in translation or it's coded and it's like a puzzle that we try to embody and realize about its ultimate nature without having access to hidden source materials and most importantly the 'keys' to unlock the available materials...

 

[Xenophon]

The now-disbanded Knights Tyrodhal, an Argentine neo-gnostic group, specifically identified their chief deity as Lucifer. Though, be it admitted, their cosmology was definitely non-Christian.

 

[Wintruz]

I think a significant, potentially fatal, flaw in the Satanic-adjacent milieu at this moment is the inability of many who would follow it to move beyond Abrahamic cosmology and language. I say "Abrahamic", I mean Jewish, which is what the Qlippoth, Da'ath, Goetia and the wheelhouse of Michael Ford and Co. are about.

If there is anything in the Western LHP that causes me to think it's losing its value as a vehicle for potent change, it is its being hampered down by this and the wild imaginings which arise from it. I wouldn't be in the slightest surprised if, in the coming years, we see entirely different systems (perhaps even traditional religions) being consciously used by Masters of the Left Hand Path as vectors to teach initiation.

In addition, if I'm not mistaken, it was Michael W. Ford who presented this idea too. This is the thing that most disturbs me about this path. I mean, what if there isn’t any adversary? What if there isn’t any exit? And what if both sides are just "bitches" of the demiurge?

The point of taking on an adversarial role is to reverse the programs which have controlled you. If you're not doing that, then this is really just anti-social LARPing. Once you've uprooted your deepest programming, you can then re-construct yourself and your world in accordance with your uncovered Essence.

 

[OberonFromTheHills]

That depends on what you consider a god to be. Officially, there were no historical worship of that entity. Which means we can't consider that entity as and "old god".

HOWEVER.

People think some ancient deities were faces of that figure.

Also. Even thought Lucifer is not an historical god, there are is NOW a lot of people who consider him as if. Same for Lilith.

 

[Shade]

"It is a gnostic perspective because my beliefs are biased toward it, but what if it is true? If you read some of the gnostic gospels, especially the one where Jesus reveals how was the creation of the world, technically the demiurge is the serpent of the Tree of Knowledge. Moreover, it turns out that the Tree of Knowledge was never what it represents in the LHP. Instead of being the cause of awakening, it was synonymous of condemnation.

In addition, if I'm not mistaken, it was Michael W. Ford who presented this idea too. This is the thing that most disturbs me about this path. I mean, what if there isn’t any adversary? What if there isn’t any exit? And what if both sides are just "bitches" of the demiurge?

If you think about it, there are a lot of black wizards working with cosmic powers such as Saturn, a planet that we know is related to the demiurge. I mean, I don’t like the gnostic side—it’s nothing but right-hand path nonsense. So, what do you think about this?"

If you look at the picture of Jesus on the cross, there is a school of thought that Lucifer is looking towards Jesus and Ahriman is looking away, Lucifer being spiritual, Ahriman being of the physical, and then there’s a path inbetween,!8 laid out a theory in general discussion that we all may infact be the blind gods and Saklas / demiurge ect, and it was the sacrifice of Enki that gave us wisdom, creativity and love, and that is what salvation is… us utilizing these principles to achieve a higher state of consciousness, there’s no good vs evil, just creative force but to achieve higher states love is part of divine will.

 

[NewAgePrincess]

I think the old Gods were all banished to within the earth (the infernal/cthnonic realms)
As we know deep under the planet's crust

The demiurge hates his followers, destroys them for fun, and enslaves them. He represses them sexually, teaches obedience and prostration

So Goetic Demons are not Djinn- they are pagan Gods having been casted into hell.
I speak for myself but yeah basically that is my interpretation of Luciferianism.

its also interesting like the greek mythological figures in Dante's inferno

My magic is to commune with and free them via gnosis and black flame..
Black magic consuming the illusions

Lucifer and Lilith are Qlippothic entities- they are Gods, not the God Creator.
They have sex, teach philosophy, prank people, and do whatever they want.
You cannot separate these entities from the Qlippoth

They no limitations
I find that they run contrary to natural law
Also its fun to be silly and not a general douche. Why have a God if you can't laugh with them? What about at them?

El Acher is the "other God" the one who lives in the Qlippothic divinity. It is dissentient void containing all

Deicide (and not the band)

Thaumiel is the supreme separation from God, and I grasped it pretty well through Duotheism

My understanding of Lucifer mythologically is that before the fall he was Lucifer, and after the fall he was Satan

Lucifer is source- but has a great family rather than "you shall not have any Gods before me"

Some other Qlippothic entities

Tiamat is the somatic dreamer of creation
In her womb the world was birthed violently
From her body

Baphomet is polarity and change

Set is a stranger, chaos, and unknown
So my best candidate for supreme being is Set personally

Also I eat Jesus for dinner XD

 

[Shade]

in some school of thought the story of the crucifixion was Lucifer and Ahriman with Christ in the center, (the Lucifer archetype and Ahriman archetype) with Jesus being the “Christ” archetype. One of the robbers looked at Christ and said, is it true, are you the son of God? Christ said brother, tonight you and I will be in my father’s kingdom (christs father was not yhwh) Ahriman on the other hand looked away in spite. It’s more of a parable, you can replace Jesus with many other figures in history, o just grew up a Lutheran acolyte so I’m more familiar with that rendition.

The actually Lucifer was a bishop who wanted to excommunicate anyone from the church who said Jesus was not divine,


As far as Baphomet….
Abraxas/Abraxis/Abraxan was nearly wiped from history and is said to be where duality meets, I.e the word abracadabra was said to open a door that could not be opened through force, The heart. Like Abraxas who carries a whip and shield, a rooster head to herald in the dawn snakes for legs and body of a human Baphomet too can be depicted with connecting the above and below and can have the upside down pentagram (Ahriman or Satan) or right side up pentagram representing spirit (Lucifer or divine)

Tiamat sounds similiar to Sophia,

so could Lucifer be god? IMO I think you nailed it when you said he wasn’t the highest of high, Lucy is an archetype that is part of the fabric of creation, a necessary part to help others reach a state of being that is akin to godhood, a being lower than Abraxas and Baphomet but just as necessary.

Set so far does seem like a great candidate for a supreme deity if we are mix matching traditions. Im not familiar with the the qlipoth but I get the underlying ideology.
in older kundalini traditions they too actually suppressed sexual desire but had male and female initiates separated, in this way they burned their desire through discipline and denied focus but had recognition of animal instincts to raise further to the awakening.

I think that’s the gist of what you were getting to but looking at it in a more dualistic Jesus is evil Lucifer is the way. When there are actual paintings that are more Luciferian in nature depicting Jesus, some are “Christ like” but the dove at his baptism shows light shining down through the head. not till you look at Mary Magdalene you see the thorny heart and heart with a dagger through it that represents a more “Christ” state of being. (Like that on the back of the miraculous medal) just depends on the time period.

But hell, I’m just saying what I’ve found through research I ofc have a bias and can be wrong, but I try not to have a dualistic view, feel free to correct me, as mentioned qlipothic initiation is new to me.
Christian’s who go around screaming Jesus is king yet don’t know how Jesus ties in bothers me as well. At least Constantine didn’t get his hand on the image of Buddha.

 

[Adelina]

Lucifer is one of the main Forces in medieval LHP. I wouldn't call it god, rather anti-god. He is at the top of LHP hierarchy. He bears Light of Knowledge and is closely connected with Astral Light.

Saturn is definitely of the lower ranks in hierarchy. It is part of 7 Planetary Forces which are rather "neutral". They cover the denizens' of Earth with their influence, making people think and act according to Planetary principles (which are described by Astrology). If to speak about Dark Entities which stand behind Saturn, it is Nabam and the lucifugi. If to speak about so-called archonic Forces (though they are rather neutral), it is Cassiel/Castiel. Even if to look at Cassiel from the point of view "archons"-"demiurge", Cassiel is just one of the seven lesser Forces and not THE one at the top of hierarchy.

 

[Rowan Otherwise]

The war in Heaven is described in the new testament as a war of angels, a schism.

The division between the old and new testaments is a schism as well; a battle of thought and belief in an unseen realm, the mind.

It seems to me that the values and behavior of God changed between those two books.

Is God changeable, or is God a title? A claim made by an ideological victor?

 

[Shade]

I wouldn't call it god, rather anti-god. He is at the top of LHP hierarchy. He bears Light of Knowledge and is closely connected with Astral Light.

Odd way of looking at it through the lens of LHP but I agree with the assertion he is more closely related to the astral light, I wouldn’t say “anti-god” though, that I believe has more to do with Satan/Ahriman or ignorance of the divine (focus on the physical) Where as Lucifer is the morning star that ushers in the sun and shows promise (a bearer of light) the sun is still there.

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The war in Heaven is described in the new testament as a war of angels, a schism.

The division between the old and new testaments is a schism as well; a battle of thought and belief in an unseen realm, the mind.

It seems to me that the values and behavior of God changed between those two books.

Is God changeable, or is God a title? A claim made by an ideological victor?

God in the Bible is an archetype that changed due to the perception of the archetype of Christ represented by Jesus and later Mary Magdalene (who never was a prostitute some patriarchal bishop or pope twisted that) If you remember when Moses asked the burning bush who shall I call the one who gave these commandments and he got the response “I Am” in lore it’s said the name was removed due to it being too sacred, I don’t believe this is the case, rather it literally says “I Am” as in the “self”.

(Phone isn’t letting me quote) but you saying it is a war of the schism in the mind of thought and belief I think sums it up very well.

 

[Rowan Otherwise]

Another interesting shift in meaning happens when we start to think of the Sun as a star.
When this happens, the star that heralds the morning , or "Morning Star", shifts from Venus to Sol.

 

[Adelina]

Odd way of looking at it through the lens of LHP but I agree with the assertion he is more closely related to the astral light, I wouldn’t say “anti-god” though, that I believe has more to do with Satan/Ahriman or ignorance of the divine (focus on the physical) Where as Lucifer is the morning star that ushers in the sun and shows promise (a bearer of light) the sun is still there.

Actually Lucifer in medieval LHP is also part of the seven Forces behind Planets (unlike IHVH, Demiurge, etc.), but still he is the highest in hierarchy. He stands behind Moon. Satan wasn't part of medieval hierarchy at all until until later (well, I saw name Satan in some grimoires in the list of lesser rank demons, but it might be just rather a naming coincidences than Satan in his modern understanding), when Astaroth's name started to be replaced by Satan (which is strange, because out of all demons Satan would be closer to Lucifer), and only later Satan became totally separate entity (mostly because church was "advertising" him as such). I think if not for Anton Szandor LaVey, Satan's name wouldn't even be as popular as it is now. Also, in arabain traditions there is class of creatures named shaitans (which is the possible name source for Satan), they are also considered to be lower rank beings.

What concerns Baphomet, noone knew about Baphomet and how he looks until Eliphas Levi wrote about him in second half of XIX century (which is somewhat recent). It looks to me that Baphomet was merely a fruit of phantasies of Levi.

 

[Mars]

"It is a gnostic perspective because my beliefs are biased toward it, but what if it is true? If you read some of the gnostic gospels, especially the one where Jesus reveals how was the creation of the world, technically the demiurge is the serpent of the Tree of Knowledge. Moreover, it turns out that the Tree of Knowledge was never what it represents in the LHP. Instead of being the cause of awakening, it was synonymous of condemnation.

In addition, if I'm not mistaken, it was Michael W. Ford who presented this idea too. This is the thing that most disturbs me about this path. I mean, what if there isn’t any adversary? What if there isn’t any exit? And what if both sides are just "bitches" of the demiurge?

If you think about it, there are a lot of black wizards working with cosmic powers such as Saturn, a planet that we know is related to the demiurge. I mean, I don’t like the gnostic side—it’s nothing but right-hand path nonsense. So, what do you think about this?"

Have you ever thought that there is more in spirituality and to life than christcuckery and erroneous abrahamic teachings?

No?

I thought so.

 

[Rowan Otherwise]

Odd way of looking at it through the lens of LHP but I agree with the assertion he is more closely related to the astral light, I wouldn’t say “anti-god” though, that I believe has more to do with Satan/Ahriman or ignorance of the divine (focus on the physical) Where as Lucifer is the morning star that ushers in the sun and shows promise (a bearer of light) the sun is still there.

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God in the Bible is an archetype that changed due to the perception of the archetype of Christ represented by Jesus and later Mary Magdalene (who never was a prostitute some patriarchal bishop or pope twisted that) If you remember when Moses asked the burning bush who shall I call the one who gave these commandments and he got the response “I Am” in lore it’s said the name was removed due to it being too sacred, I don’t believe this is the case, rather it literally says “I Am” as in the “self”.

(Phone isn’t letting me quote) but you saying it is a war of the schism in the mind of thought and belief I think sums it up very well.

Good to know! That lines up with what I've heard as well.

 

[Shade]

What concerns Baphomet, noone knew about Baphomet and how he looks until Eliphas Levi wrote about him in second half of XIX century (which is somewhat recent). It looks to me that Baphomet was merely a fruit of phantasies of Levi.

Yes, I was only comparing baphomet (a side of dualistic opposites) created by Levi to a much more ancient archetype. Abraxis/Abraxas/Abraxin depending on Greek/romanized spelling. its thought that it was that deity that ruled all 7 planets and 365 heavens (days of the year)
Baphomet is as you put it a fantasized being of Levi, it is a version of dualistic opposites, that doesn’t mean its not representing the same archetype, just does so in a more modern way.

Levi being an occultists saw what was hidden, I doubt he knew of Abraxas although the archetype lines up of being the same line of thought, it connects the above with the below. A cosmic principle.

 

[Adamon]

I think the old Gods were all banished to within the earth (the infernal/cthnonic realms)
As we know deep under the planet's crust

The demiurge hates his followers, destroys them for fun, and enslaves them. He represses them sexually, teaches obedience and prostration

So Goetic Demons are not Djinn- they are pagan Gods having been casted into hell.
I speak for myself but yeah basically that is my interpretation of Luciferianism.

its also interesting like the greek mythological figures in Dante's inferno

My magic is to commune with and free them via gnosis and black flame..
Black magic consuming the illusions

Lucifer and Lilith are Qlippothic entities- they are Gods, not the God Creator.
They have sex, teach philosophy, prank people, and do whatever they want.
You cannot separate these entities from the Qlippoth

They no limitations
I find that they run contrary to natural law
Also its fun to be silly and not a general douche. Why have a God if you can't laugh with them? What about at them?

El Acher is the "other God" the one who lives in the Qlippothic divinity. It is dissentient void containing all

Deicide (and not the band)

Thaumiel is the supreme separation from God, and I grasped it pretty well through Duotheism

My understanding of Lucifer mythologically is that before the fall he was Lucifer, and after the fall he was Satan

Lucifer is source- but has a great family rather than "you shall not have any Gods before me"

Some other Qlippothic entities

Tiamat is the somatic dreamer of creation
In her womb the world was birthed violently
From her body

Baphomet is polarity and change

Set is a stranger, chaos, and unknown
So my best candidate for supreme being is Set personally

Also I eat Jesus for dinner XD

So, if I got you, you are telling that

I think the old Gods were all banished to within the earth (the infernal/cthnonic realms)
As we know deep under the planet's crust

The demiurge hates his followers, destroys them for fun, and enslaves them. He represses them sexually, teaches obedience and prostration

So Goetic Demons are not Djinn- they are pagan Gods having been casted into hell.
I speak for myself but yeah basically that is my interpretation of Luciferianism.

its also interesting like the greek mythological figures in Dante's inferno

My magic is to commune with and free them via gnosis and black flame..
Black magic consuming the illusions

Lucifer and Lilith are Qlippothic entities- they are Gods, not the God Creator.
They have sex, teach philosophy, prank people, and do whatever they want.
You cannot separate these entities from the Qlippoth

They no limitations
I find that they run contrary to natural law
Also its fun to be silly and not a general douche. Why have a God if you can't laugh with them? What about at them?

El Acher is the "other God" the one who lives in the Qlippothic divinity. It is dissentient void containing all

Deicide (and not the band)

Thaumiel is the supreme separation from God, and I grasped it pretty well through Duotheism

My understanding of Lucifer mythologically is that before the fall he was Lucifer, and after the fall he was Satan

Lucifer is source- but has a great family rather than "you shall not have any Gods before me"

Some other Qlippothic entities

Tiamat is the somatic dreamer of creation
In her womb the world was birthed violently
From her body

Baphomet is polarity and change

Set is a stranger, chaos, and unknown
So my best candidate for supreme being is Set personally

Also I eat Jesus for dinner XD

Regarding SET, what did you mean with supreme being? I mean, are you telling that he is like "the lord of the left hand path"? I'm inclined toward the temple of set beliefs, so, if we read "the book of coming forth by night" technically he was who revealed against the demiurge and woke up the mankind.

In addition, the Lucifer's and Prometheus's lore would be nothing but a reference to the real story.

this last one just are suppositions, I don't like to be creating fantasies in my mind about the LHP entities as set.

 

[Xenophon]

So, if I got you, you are telling that

Regarding SET, what did you mean with supreme being? I mean, are you telling that he is like "the lord of the left hand path"? I'm inclined toward the temple of set beliefs, so, if we read "the book of coming forth by night" technically he was who revealed against the demiurge and woke up the mankind.

In addition, the Lucifer's and Prometheus's lore would be nothing but a reference to the real story.

this last one just are suppositions, I don't like to be creating fantasies in my mind about the LHP entities as set.

I like your last line above. We're in an age that is coming out of a highly manipulative pantheon of alleged gods (the Adamic creeds and their God, angels, demons &c.) To paraphrase Tyler Durden, maybe what we need isn't another set of gods.

 

[NewAgePrincess]

God in the Bible is an archetype that changed due to the perception of the archetype of Christ represented by Jesus and later Mary Magdalene (who never was a prostitute some patriarchal bishop or pope twisted that

Mary Magdalene was the female Christ, there is no question about it .
Let everyone on the forum know!!!!!

I like Jesus's/Mary's heart because it is MY HEART,
I will not give my heart away so easily as I did years ago
It is my well protected secret

Tiamat sounds similiar to Sophia,

They are one in the same
Tiamat is a salt water Goddess- our peoples wombs are salt water, just like all life gestated in it.
We are in the womb of creation. She is the firmament, and we are the stars surrounded by her cosmic womb.

She is an apex predator and can protect herself from threats
Tiamat is furious Goddess. I have worked more recently with her.

Regarding SET, what did you mean with supreme being? I mean, are you telling that he is like "the lord of the left hand path"? I'm inclined toward the temple of set beliefs, so, if we read "the book of coming forth by night" technically he was who revealed against the demiurge and woke up the mankin

Set is the principle of isolate intelligence. In the LHP teachings he tore himself from his mother's womb rather than being born naturally
He is in individuality, opening the third eye. He is also a symbol of non dependent origin ie experience over essence (and void).
Set protected the world from Apophis as did Ra

Set is unknowable, a stranger.
He can be interpreted as a supreme God or Tetragrammaton because of this- there are secrets invoking and creeping out

There are no real Sigils for him because of the foreign-ness and lack of being able to be understood
Even Jesus has the symbol of a cross- pure idolatry.

Satan is Set-an, they are both related entities. I mean I chat with both astral spirits
He is contra Osiris and the ideals of a "savior". I have visualized Satan, but I have never seen Set

Xeper Xeper Xeperu
Evolve evolve evolve

Jesus is evil Lucifer

Jesus is the bringer of life, truth and salvation according to his followers
Lucifer is the bearer of light, wisdom, rationality, individualism

Lucifer solved my daddy issues but expected me to strive for achievement.
You need to earn his trust, it took me years of study

 

[Xenophon]

Mary Magdalene was the female Christ, there is no question about it .
Let everyone on the forum know!!!!!

I like Jesus's/Mary's heart because it is MY HEART,
I will not give my heart away so easily as I did years ago
It is my well protected secret


They are one in the same
Tiamat is a salt water Goddess- our peoples wombs are salt water, just like all life gestated in it.
We are in the womb of creation. She is the firmament, and we are the stars surrounded by her cosmic womb.

She is an apex predator and can protect herself from threats
Tiamat is furious Goddess. I have worked more recently with her.



Set is the principle of isolate intelligence. In the LHP teachings he tore himself from his mother's womb rather than being born naturally
He is in individuality, opening the third eye. He is also a symbol of non dependent origin ie experience over essence (and void).
Set protected the world from Apophis as did Ra

Set is unknowable, a stranger.
He can be interpreted as a supreme God or Tetragrammaton because of this- there are secrets invoking and creeping out

There are no real Sigils for him because of the foreign-ness and lack of being able to be understood
Even Jesus has the symbol of a cross- pure idolatry.

Satan is Set-an, they are both related entities. I mean I chat with both astral spirits
He is contra Osiris and the ideals of a "savior". I have visualized Satan, but I have never seen Set

Xeper Xeper Xeperu
Evolve evolve evolve



Jesus is the bringer of life, truth and salvation according to his followers
Lucifer is the bearer of light, wisdom, rationality, individualism

Lucifer solved my daddy issues but expected me to strive for achievement.
You need to earn his trust, it took me years of study

"Xeper" is more "come into being" than evolve, innit? The circles I suck up to emphasive the concept's aspect of rebellion against what gets called evolution by this pasu-plagued time.