Have you ever thought that Lucifer is god?

[Queenofallwitches]

I wrote a post about my thoughts on Lucifer being inherently inverted and subjugated but I’m about to go to bed and I’m going to write about it when I wake up tomorrow. So yes I do believe there has been an intentional inversion. As for a god or duality situation, I don’t think the universe is that simple anymore so it’s not as “black and white”.
god is just source or creator.
I think Lucifer was a scapegoat.
I think he was the rebel and the one who lead the way.
I don’t know if he is the illumination of all things if you look at the etymology it has given me some nighttime pondering

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Have you ever thought that there is more in spirituality and to life than christcuckery and erroneous abrahamic teachings?

No?

I thought so.

Haha exactly this

 

[Konsciencia]

Based on my experiences, The Source, God, The Universe, is both Lucifer and Jesus at the same time. This Source is everything, and mind you. It is possible that The Source has a specific name, and it may well be Lucifer. My journey started with The Source as Lucifer. Remember, at the end of the day. It is All God experiencing Itself.

 

[Wannabewizard]

Please excuse my ignorance, I have had Lucifer questions whirling around my brain for some time now.
Isn't the Gnostic 'Jesus' basically Lucifer?
Is Lucifer actually 'evil'?
If someone used this 'energy' against you, would it be possible to dial them up and say, hey, stop it, what did I ever do to you?
I follow that those who work with Demons actually cough them up so to speak, through the body. I have had enough truck with getting rid of stuff, never mind actually inviting them in. About as Icy cold as a blast chiller.
So basically, if Lucifer is a Demon, would you pass this energy through the body as with others entities?
This is along the line of thought that you don't pass gods through the body, they are already kind of there.
But it also occurred that if everything is already inside of us, is there a difference?

As an aside, I have considered that many 'gods' were so drenched in blood the result is the same.

 

[Konsciencia]

Yes, everything is within us. When As within so without. Let's say you are talking to Jesus. Now that is literally you. The Demons are another aspect of yourself. Hence, Lucifer is you too. Don't mean to scare ya. It's not that we are Powerful, it's that we are The Power.

 

[armageddonz1]

I have had multiple different entities claim the name of Lucifer, including deities and angels. I have even had a female moon diety call herself as lucifer. It is very well possible that Lucifer is a title, for any one who acts as a "light bearer" meaning who can show the path forward for ascension. I had also come across VK Jehannum saying Raziel accepts the title of 'Lucifer'. So in my eyes, Gods can claim the title of Lucifer.

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[Thee Nightfool]

Everyone's always going on about the whole Jesus/Lucifer thing, but my burning question is... finding out what Mary's "shadow aspect" is...

 

[silencewaits]

"It is a gnostic perspective because my beliefs are biased toward it, but what if it is true? If you read some of the gnostic gospels, especially the one where Jesus reveals how was the creation of the world, technically the demiurge is the serpent of the Tree of Knowledge. Moreover, it turns out that the Tree of Knowledge was never what it represents in the LHP. Instead of being the cause of awakening, it was synonymous of condemnation.

In addition, if I'm not mistaken, it was Michael W. Ford who presented this idea too. This is the thing that most disturbs me about this path. I mean, what if there isn’t any adversary? What if there isn’t any exit? And what if both sides are just "bitches" of the demiurge?

If you think about it, there are a lot of black wizards working with cosmic powers such as Saturn, a planet that we know is related to the demiurge. I mean, I don’t like the gnostic side—it’s nothing but right-hand path nonsense. So, what do you think about this?"

As personal knowledge of something, not just acceptance of tradition, is quite essential to the Left-Hand Path - I don't agree with it representing condemnation. Unless I am misunderstanding something in the post.

I am more familiar with the Serpent being associated with Christ or Sophia and not the Demiurge. Convincing Eve and thus Adam to eat of the fruit is the first step towards escaping domination by the Demiurge and his powers. Furthermore, there are no adversaries. In a Gnostic worldview, we are slaves. Considering Gnosticism as literally true for a moment, it doesn't matter who rules the world exactly, so long as there's a place to escape to - and we have the knowledge to do so. Fighting them does nothing, because our very bodies are of them. Without messages from the Light above we would be nothing. Toys of the Demiurge. That's it.

Also, Gnosticism predates the concept of 'Lucifer'. It is more modern, relatively speaking.

 

[Xenophon]

There was the old rhyme from Serrano, where "Lucifer" is rendered "Lucibel" (as in "bello," beautiful.) "O sol dorado que refleja el sol negro/ O sol negro que esconde el rayo verde/ Retira la sombra luminosa que veila tu disco/ Y tu esvastica giratoria, O Lucibel!" (O golden sun that reflects the black sun/ O black sun that hides the Green Ray/ Withdraw the glowing shadow that veils your disc/ And your rotating swastika, O Lucifer Beauteous.)

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There was the old rhyme from Serrano, where "Lucifer" is rendered "Lucibel" (as in "bello," beautiful.) "O sol dorado que refleja el sol negro/ O sol negro que esconde el rayo verde/ Retira la sombra luminosa que veila tu disco/ Y tu esvastica giratoria, O Lucibel!" (O golden sun that reflects the black sun/ O black sun that hides the Green Ray/ Withdraw the glowing shadow that veils your disc/ And your rotating swastika, O Lucifer Beauteous.)

The above post recites a prayer, call it, addressed in fairly recent times to Lucifer. As such it is an answer to OP's question whether anyone has considered Lucifer to be god. Serrano was the best known representative of a strain in Argentinian and Chilean magick who so venerated their conception of Lucifer.

 

[silencewaits]

There was the old rhyme from Serrano, where "Lucifer" is rendered "Lucibel" (as in "bello," beautiful.) "O sol dorado que refleja el sol negro/ O sol negro que esconde el rayo verde/ Retira la sombra luminosa que veila tu disco/ Y tu esvastica giratoria, O Lucibel!" (O golden sun that reflects the black sun/ O black sun that hides the Green Ray/ Withdraw the glowing shadow that veils your disc/ And your rotating swastika, O Lucifer Beauteous.)

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The above post recites a prayer, call it, addressed in fairly recent times to Lucifer. As such it is an answer to OP's question whether anyone has considered Lucifer to be god. Serrano was the best known representative of a strain in Argentinian and Chilean magick who so venerated their conception of Lucifer.

He likely picked it up from Otto Rahn. Rahn's second book, "Lucifer's Court", was probably read by Serrano. Rahn wrote it while traveling and doing research as a member of the SS-Ahnenerbe. Apparently the name had something to do with the Cathars' alleged conception of Lucifer as a figure of divinity called Lucibel. Lucibel was said to have been separate from the Big Bad of Christianity - Satan. Rahn was big into the Grail Mysteries - the subject of his first book "Crusade Against the Grail", and big into the pagan/Lucifierian/Wotanist thing going on at the time - the subject of "Lucifer's Court".

 

[Xenophon]

He likely picked it up from Otto Rahn. Rahn's second book, "Lucifer's Court", was probably read by Serrano. Rahn wrote it while traveling and doing research as a member of the SS-Ahnenerbe. Apparently the name had something to do with the Cathars' alleged conception of Lucifer as a figure of divinity called Lucibel. Lucibel was said to have been separate from the Big Bad of Christianity - Satan. Rahn was big into the Grail Mysteries - the subject of his first book "Crusade Against the Grail", and big into the pagan/Lucifierian/Wotanist thing going on at the time - the subject of "Lucifer's Court".

Yes, he goes on at length about Rahn somewheres. Fine stuff, Rahn wrote.

 

[r2magooo]

From a purely "relational" viewpoint .

God = the greater good = society first = being an active contributor within society's rexpectations

Lucifer = the selfish intent = me first = not bound (but not un noticed) by society expectations

 

[Dascent]

My perspective is "a bit off the reservation" one might say, but for me is part of my reality which doesn't have to align with any of yours...
In this particular context, there are 3 archetypes representative to what collective consciousness is referring to God, Satan and Lucifer.
In my view, all 3 are archetypes representative to what the human consciousness has constructed in order to serve various purposes.
God depicted by christianity is one archetype but definitely the Source of All There Is.
Second archetype is the Lucifer, the archangelic entity which is representative to the Light. A force which pulls way to much into its own direction.
Third archetype Satan is the force pulling towards darkness but nevertheless a human creation much like Lucifer archetype.
I am aware that there are some sort of confusions, blurred lines, definitions and such because there are "stories" and "stories" to make all of these ideas fit and adapt with time but I, again from my personal belief I acknowledge the existence of archangelic entities and Lucifer archangel is presiding over his house but it is nothing as what we depicted in the tells of religions.
To quote Theo (a group of archangels channeled by Sheila Gillette) : "I see no fallen archangels and Lucifer is one of our own"
I do a lot of meditation because it is fun and I started to question all the info which doesn't serve me or creates a dissonant vibration within.
Yes, there is polarity because this is what we decided to experience on earth school, yes there are powerful experiences which can be defines as pure evil and angelic miracles but those can happen only because we choose to experience that.
I know one God and it doesn't have a name, it is the Source of All There Is, the source of Existence and we are all part of All There Is, all part of Existence therefore, we are within God, Satan, Lucifer, all demons, all angelic entities are within the same source of Existence and this perspective unlocks a lot of dimensions a lot of new experiences.

 

[Xenophon]

From a purely "relational" viewpoint .

God = the greater good = society first = being an active contributor within society's rexpectations

Lucifer = the selfish intent = me first = not bound (but not un noticed) by society expectations

One feels constrained to add that Lucifer also reminds us that "the greater good" can cover a multitude of widely divergent phenomena. In the 20's and 30's "Chicago pragmatists" like John Dewey, George Herbert Mead, David Miller et al liked to talk about a psycho-social "generalized other" that did duty for God in their philosophy. These were also intellectuals who praised the Bolsheviks for their "bold social experimentation." If your point was that our conceptions of God need a watchman, then kudos. (Personally, I think I'd rather trust the Bloods or the Crips before I trusted most "societies" at the moment. At least the gang doesn't say they wanna do me favors.)

 

[Ogros]

I've recently thought about the correlation between Prometheus and Lucifer as both are seen as light bringers, i had a vision under

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and Lucifer came to me looking like a living flame in the shape of a man, he told me he is the master of reality whatever that means, since that day i became convinced that he is a big player in this plane of existence, that do you guys think?

 

[djcullgirl]

Just my 2 cents, if they still make those.

I've been wondering this alot, seeing the connection between my personal Patron and other "light bearer" deities, solar deities including of course Jesus himself but so many others.... Im wondering alot about where, if any exist, are the boundaries between solar and lunar, masculine and feminine.... It has always been so painfully obvious to me that a One True God could not be masculine or feminine alone, that it must be the balance of two... and if you look at old statues of apollo, some of them he's fully thicc wearing a priestess outfit. Tiamat is another one, then theres the aztec earth god, i can't recall the name.... And the holy status of many gender nonconforming people in tribal cultures all over the world, or being looked at as a bridge between worlds (much like hermes....)

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One of my favourite stories is of Rama telling all the men and women to leave so he could spend his time in exile alone. when he emerged, only the people who identified as neither remained, and they were blessed and given the power to bestow blessings

 

[Wannabewizard]

I'm going to throw this out there and say that I believe Lucifer is your own light, so therefore is god. Because of this it is a reflection/projection of how you are, even unconsciously, which is why I believe that some say Lucifer is evil, and others speak better of him.
Lucifer is a godform of self worship.

It seems to match the Masonic viewpoint that Manly P Hall likes to point out.
However Rudolf Steiner talks about the Lucifer/Ahrimanic impulses, that corruption has snuck in, even to the degree of not knowing exactly what they are doing. between degrees as it's so secret.
I don't think Masonry is what it once was, I hear very bad things about the inner circle...and shall we say, small children.
I dont say that all masonry is all like this, but I have been through enough 'stuff' to know that it exists.
I also object to being magically controlled, portalls opened in me, or having inactive curses waiting to come online if I need to break away suddenly from a fraternity. This also applies to exiting Buddism/church without proper permission and the Egregores getting pissed.

Being born into masonic curses was bad enough. Just why the hell you wold want to impose that sort of pain and suffering on children who dont even know what is happening is vile, it was my fathers father who was into that, not him or me so why punish us for nothing?

Anyway rant aside, If lucifer is Lumiel/Angel of the earth, and ultimatly calls you to himself as Ariel Gatoga say he does, does that mean you have to get involved?
It must be high level stuff balacing out that sort of power, Pharoh/king level godhood to make Lucifer level decisions.

This all seems a tortured quest for truth. If Lucifer is god, do we have to like it? Does it matter?
And how does a relationship stand with a godform who was used against you out of spite?

 

[NightWatchman95]

I think a significant, potentially fatal, flaw in the Satanic-adjacent milieu at this moment is the inability of many who would follow it to move beyond Abrahamic cosmology and language. I say "Abrahamic", I mean Jewish, which is what the Qlippoth, Da'ath, Goetia and the wheelhouse of Michael Ford and Co. are about.

If there is anything in the Western LHP that causes me to think it's losing its value as a vehicle for potent change, it is its being hampered down by this and the wild imaginings which arise from it. I wouldn't be in the slightest surprised if, in the coming years, we see entirely different systems (perhaps even traditional religions) being consciously used by Masters of the Left Hand Path as vectors to teach initiation.

The point of taking on an adversarial role is to reverse the programs which have controlled you. If you're not doing that, then this is really just anti-social LARPing. Once you've uprooted your deepest programming, you can then re-construct yourself and your world in accordance with your uncovered Essence.

and even then, i wont be able to snap my fingers and poof i have everything i ever wanted, but it less about not meditating hard enough and just approaching this with the self awareness that while we are trapped in these bodies, we are very limited in what we can do to affect the physical outside technological means.

its an elephant in the living room for sure. but all magical practice is really a form of metaphysical/astral engineering, and such results aren't readily apparent in the physical as we all hoped.

all lucifer/christ/logos promises is that we will have the last laugh in the end, we just have to keep our eye on the prize and not fall for easy to fall into the usual traps of entitlement and hedonism.