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Hedge riding confusion

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I have been very fascinated with the traditional witchcraft concept of "hedge riding" or witch flight. Alot of these books on these topics discuss a similar method for it. Most is getting into a trance and then using a very similar thing to guided meditation where you visualize yourself jumping over a hedge or hopping on a broom and flying off. My question is wouldn't this just lead to your mind imagining the whole thing afterward or would it actually be a real spiritual/ astral thing? Since you're using your mind to visualize then that would make whatever you see afterward just be also your mind making stuff up?! Also sorry if I don't make sense, English is not my first language.
 

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From my understanding, not much of historical context, honestly...
Broom was cleaning tool, so would not be surprised if it were used in magic, for cleansing of the house.
The flying on the broom I think was invented by inquisition to make the supposed witches more bonded with the devil through unnatural abilities. It is very unlikely to have been real practice. Cats, that was different, but broom... nope.

Modern witchcraft of course found it interesting and there are now movements doing active imaginations and other creative rites with "flying" on the broom, though I think that Harry Potter books were source of inspiration for starting actual modern practice...
 

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Holotropic breathwork, demonic invocation, ecstatic trance, sleep deprivation, going to a rave, the use of certain teaching plants; all will give you a taste of what hedge riding is like. It can be physically draining, emotionally exhausting and mentally destabilizing, and what are called guided meditations will not take you there. In fact, they are virtually guaranteed to prevent any such thing from happening. The most you will get out of it is a bit of relaxation, a nice feeling and an ego boost. Not spirit flight. And anyone that tells you to hop over a hedge in your imagination has never seen one. Here in the States we call them "wind breaks" and unless you are a racoon, a fox, or an owl...well, you get the picture. A "hedge", in the way that traditional witches might mean it is a way of relating to the liminal. A "hedge" is a border crossing, a transitional zone. It is uncanny, neither here nor there. Cemeteries, back alleys, abandoned building, playgrounds at midnight all can serve as hedges. So can your own interior no-fly zones. But flight happens when you start navigating your inner spaces under intense emotional states, through fantasy and or imagery. It is a bit like a controlled hallucination. Your mind is spinning a story. Gnosis and fantasy braid together, and you let the story take you where it wants to go, but without getting caught up in it. Think of it this way...the story is your broom. Trance is your flight. Insight/power/gnosis is where you are. The hedge is what you end up in if you fall off the broom. It is everything from wish fulfillment to childhood trauma to hang-ups, to what have you.

The most important thing to remember though is that meaning carries charge. If the bland, generic feel-good imagery of a guided meditation means nothing to you, you are not going anywhere with it, right? So if you insist on playing with guided meditations...take note. If the images start to change of their own accord know that you have just approached a hedge. After that? You start flying.
 
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From my understanding, not much of historical context, honestly...
Broom was cleaning tool, so would not be surprised if it were used in magic, for cleansing of the house.
The flying on the broom I think was invented by inquisition to make the supposed witches more bonded with the devil through unnatural abilities. It is very unlikely to have been real practice. Cats, that was different, but broom... nope.

Modern witchcraft of course found it interesting and there are now movements doing active imaginations and other creative rites with "flying" on the broom, though I think that Harry Potter books were source of inspiration for starting actual modern practice...

PREACH!

The all flying on broom is just another "imaginary trigger" to allow your mind to contact the spirit world.

Using folklore/mythology works to help your mind to get in the zone. The Golden Down did the same with the all Egyptian woo-woo they used. It wasn't well reconstruct, but it allow people to remove their mental shield.

You can use a broom, or Glinda's bubble, or even seeing yourself turning into a owl and flying across the sky to reach whatever land/paracosm you want to.

It doesn't even matter if it's "only your imagination". A lot of things we use in magick is about imagination (mix with energy and purpose)... This is what you decide to do with it the image your evoke in your mind that is going to make the different between daydream and magick.
 

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PREACH!

The all flying on broom is just another "imaginary trigger" to allow your mind to contact the spirit world.

Using folklore/mythology works to help your mind to get in the zone. The Golden Down did the same with the all Egyptian woo-woo they used. It wasn't well reconstruct, but it allow people to remove their mental shield.

You can use a broom, or Glinda's bubble, or even seeing yourself turning into a owl and flying across the sky to reach whatever land/paracosm you want to.

It doesn't even matter if it's "only your imagination". A lot of things we use in magick is about imagination (mix with energy and purpose)... This is what you decide to do with it the image your evoke in your mind that is going to make the different between daydream and magick.
Agreed. Historical records do not really influence how effective any ritual is.
 

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Hedge riding, speaking as someone who's studied traditional witchcraft a bit, and my native Medicinework a lot more, is spirit-voyaging.
You'll get more out of it if you learn some method of spirit-travel, in my opinion, which works best being up to you.
 

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From my understanding, not much of historical context, honestly...
Broom was cleaning tool, so would not be surprised if it were used in magic, for cleansing of the house.
The flying on the broom I think was invented by inquisition to make the supposed witches more bonded with the devil through unnatural abilities. It is very unlikely to have been real practice. Cats, that was different, but broom... nope.

Modern witchcraft of course found it interesting and there are now movements doing active imaginations and other creative rites with "flying" on the broom, though I think that Harry Potter books were source of inspiration for starting actual modern practice...
Harry Potter didn't invent it, but it is by and large a legend and not something actually performed by witches. Here in Pennsylvania, brooms were a powerful witch's tool in regards to clearing negative energies from the home, but there are also a lot of stories of witch's being averse to brooms as well, some going as far as to say you could identify a woman as a witch if she refused to step over one, similar to how witch's and other evil things were averse to crossing a moving body of water, like bridges over rivers. This kind of ties back into the point Lucien made about "hedges" being a reference to transitional zones or border crossing.
Most of these legends from here come from a less informed age though, where Dutch immigrants brought a lot of superstitions with them from Germany and where benevolent magic could only be invoked through the Christian God, and anything else was of the Devil. So take this all with a grain of salt. If you want to know more, look up 'The Witch of the Monongahela', it goes into more detail about the history surrounding witches from around here.
 

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Harry Potter didn't invent it, but it is by and large a legend and not something actually performed by witches.
I didn't say or meant that J.K. Rowling invented it. I said that the books inspired modern practice... though to be exact the movies had more impact on that matter. Psychologically it is "the Exorcist Effect" all over again, or in other words "monkey see, monkey do." The movies are very effective in programing our mindset on what is possible or what should we do, even in matter of magic that works...
 

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I have been very fascinated with the traditional witchcraft concept of "hedge riding" or witch flight
It's a modern thing, really - traditional witchcraft is mostly folk magic and it tends to have surprisingly mundane goals. I am yet to see any mentions of hedges or hedge-riding in any pre-modern source, but there are certainly soul-flight and dream spells. I think there were spells to visit other people's dreams in PGM, and there definitely were dream spells in the Galdrabok
Most is getting into a trance and then using a very similar thing to guided meditation where you visualize yourself jumping over a hedge or hopping on a broom and flying off. My question is wouldn't this just lead to your mind imagining the whole thing afterward or would it actually be a real spiritual/ astral thing?
You'd have to have a lot of mental fortitude to pull it off consistently with a simple method like that - in my experience you should be able to tell a vision/projection from dream/imagination once you experience it at least once. Well, maybe telling it apart from a dream can be tricky but it's going to feel much more external and independent if that makes sense. If you worry if it's going to be a lucid dream and not a genuine astral projection, then I really can't give any good advice, people are still arguing about the difference between the two, but generally my advice would be to focus on astral projection and the usual meditation techniques to learn the basics first

The flying on the broom I think was invented by inquisition to make the supposed witches more bonded with the devil through unnatural abilities. It is very unlikely to have been real practice. Cats, that was different, but broom... nope.
If I remember correctly, it was invented as an accusation against the Waldenasians or one of the other early reformationist movements - then it became an attribute of witches during the times when "witches" were depicted as members of a secret anti-christian cult lead by Satan. There are probably lots of folk magic spells that use brooms but I doubt they have anything to do with flying
 

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Psychologically it is "the Exorcist Effect" all over again, or in other words "monkey see, monkey do." The movies are very effective in programing our mindset on what is possible or what should we do, even in matter of magic that works...
As for how we think that some things are so, as we see them in the movies...
I think it's not a one sided influence from the movies to what what we think is true, but mutual. Our collective consciousness holds all that we humans know, and we all have access to it. This knowledge is tapped, communicated and expressed in many ways, like myths and legends that express truths in a symbolic way, fairy tales, artwork, dreams... according to my magic teachers, our imagination is our sense that senses the non material reality, the astral world, or any other name you use referring to it. I mean it similarly to: our vision is the sense we are able to see the visual aspect of the world as the emitted and reflected photons show it to us. People think our imagination is fully arbitrary, we make things up independently from what exists. But if the imagination is a sense to "see" non physical reality, then we get information by considering and paying attention to what is it that we imagine. Or dream. Or write. Or otherwise create. The confusing part is IMHO that what we call imagination might go two ways: both sensing what is "there", and creating through our will - manifesting things into the astral or physical world.

So I think that what we see a lot of in the movies, is present in our collective subconscious, those things well up even in the professional creative people's imagination, that's how they end up in the movies and novels. And, at the same time, we also give more energy/ more reality to things that more people think of.

For me it's a "what was first, the chicken or the egg" question. The answer depends on your definition of what an egg is exactly and what is a chicken. If we look at a chicken that just hatched from an egg and then we start looking at the story backwards, and go far enough into the past... into the primordial soup...

I apologize for my clumsy wording. English isn't my mother tongue.
 
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