Hello, I'm new here. Can y'all give me a rundown on how things go 'round here?

[Morell]

Can't resist, because this convo is so much reminding me of Red Dwarf... that series is quite popular in my country... Had pretty crazy episode with extra evil characters of history being "cured" of evil...

 

[Rynnshng]

That's not what the Illuminati's Eye stands for. There could be, no greater disrespect to the victims of WW2, than in allowing the Zionist terror regime to do what it has done. National Socialists are not the problem - hypocrisy is.

 

[akenu]

Alright.

Honestly, at this point, you should switch your pfp to the Star of David and study some Kabbalah to counteract your current state.

I would personally recommend Basic Concepts in Kabbalah by Michael Laitman. But you honestly cannot go wrong with any of his books.

 

[Aeternus]

That's not what the Illuminati's Eye stands for. There could be, no greater disrespect to the victims of WW2, than in allowing the Zionist terror regime to do what it has done. National Socialists are not the problem - hypocrisy is.

You must be jokin', right? The Eye of Illuminati, the symbol of the All-Seeing-Eye has years of history that spans to Ancient Egyptian mythology (the All Seeing Eye of Maa't or Cosmic Order and also the Eye of Horus) and it also has ties to the European Renaissance art and Freemasonry.

Political movements have always stood proof in my opinion to the stupidity of humanity to attribute symbols (like the All Seeing Eye) to political movements.

The Illuminati are also not of Zionist origin but of Bavarian / German origins, having been founded in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt. This basically dismantles all of the modern conspiracy BS that circulates today and has the sole role of denigrating the occult and its practicioners.

 

[Rynnshng]

The Eye, separate from the Base of the Pyramid stands for the Illuminated Ones, an Elite of Man above others. In any form with power, magical or political that is a dangerous belief to represent your forms, whoever wields it and how. Your claim that it could represent some respectful watchful sentinel standing guard over the fallen dead of WW2 is a ridiculous statement - as is this mindless denigration of 'neo-nazis' made by childish puppets who make them standing in fields of blood all around them perpetrated minute by minute by an atrocious terror regime whose only achievement is winning the minds and hearts of stupid, cowardly, or gullible people. It is people that make such statements as you have made, that denigrates the occult and its practitioners.

 

[Aeternus]

The Eye, separate from the Base of the Pyramid stands for the Illuminated Ones, an Elite of Man above others. In any form with power, magical or political that is a dangerous belief to represent your forms, whoever wields it and how. Your claim that it could represent some respectful watchful sentinel standing guard over the fallen dead of WW2 is a ridiculous statement - as is this mindless denigration of 'neo-nazis' made by childish puppets who make them standing in fields of blood all around them perpetrated minute by minute by an atrocious terror regime whose only achievement is winning the minds and hearts of stupid, cowardly, or gullible people. It is people that make such statements as you have made, that denigrates the occult and its practitioners.

Well, would it really bother you that much to research the history of the Symbol?

It really dates back to Ancient Egypt and the Eye of Horus:

As for the Nazis, both old and neo, trust me, they are to be hated upon as history really tells the crimes they did in WW2. Just search the name of Oskar Dirlewanker, the dude Karenin chose as his profile pic, and you will see the crimes that horrible of a Nazi did

 

[Rynnshng]

I don't trust you one bit. You may present some consensus historical facts about the emergence of the symbol but you clearly lack the associative connections to be teaching others what to believe and suggesting it to be a tribute to the fallen dead of WW2 is distasteful and ill-educated.
I have no love for the NSDAP, but the demonization of it while protecting Zionist fascism is outright bigotry and hypocrisy and has brought the world to WW3. Right now, the Middle East has all its countries lined up like a fuse from Europe to Africa, waiting on two of history's greediest forgettable fools to detonate it.

I also know very well, how history is doctored, and so should you. Moreover, it is dangerous to think you have a full grasp of it just because it triangulates 'facts'. That you take its authoritarian word over the insight the occult brings as to the way forms concentrate power to deceive and manipulate is alarming. We can all bring up books that challenge the Holocaust or claim to confirm it as described without right to object, it means nothing. If you cannot look around you and see the violence and death right in front of you, you'll soon join it because you are aiding it with your ignorance. Whether Nazi or Zion, the face of death is the same.

 

[agloval]

Miguel Serrano

It's funny that almost nobody even mentions Miguel Serrano in esoteric circles down here in South America... and honestly, the guy wrote some absolute nonsense.

 

[Aeternus]

I don't trust you one bit. You may present some consensus historical facts about the emergence of the symbol but you clearly lack the associative connections to be teaching others what to believe and suggesting it to be a tribute to the fallen dead of WW2 is distasteful and ill-educated.
I have no love for the NSDAP, but the demonization of it while protecting Zionist fascism is outright bigotry and hypocrisy and has brought the world to WW3. Right now, the Middle East has all its countries lined up like a fuse from Europe to Africa, waiting on two of history's greediest forgettable fools to detonate it.

I also know very well, how history is doctored, and so should you. Moreover, it is dangerous to think you have a full grasp of it just because it triangulates 'facts'. That you take its authoritarian word over the insight the occult brings as to the way forms concentrate power to deceive and manipulate is alarming. We can all bring up books that challenge the Holocaust or claim to confirm it as described without right to object, it means nothing. If you cannot look around you and see the violence and death right in front of you, you'll soon join it because you are aiding it with your ignorance. Whether Nazi or Zion, the face of death is the same.

Well, first and foremost, I want to specify that it really doesn't matter for me if you trust me or not. I just answered your first message about the Illuminati symbol as of course I noticed it was directed at my message where I told Karenin about his picture.

Secondly, I want to say that I find it really enlightening that you do not agree with the NSDAP. But... here's where you err...:

I have no love for the NSDAP, but the demonization of it while protecting Zionist fascism is outright bigotry and hypocrisy and has brought the world to WW3. Right now, the Middle East has all its countries lined up like a fuse from Europe to Africa, waiting on two of history's greediest forgettable fools to detonate it.

Since when affirming about a symbol like the one that I said and has origins related to Ancient Egypt relate to bringing the WW3? Like I have said and even proven, the symbol relates solely to Ancient Egypt, has connections to European Renaissance art in which it took more of a Christian place and cultural syncretism (again, no Zionism here), and it now has connections with the Freemasonry. I even told you that the Illuminati were German / Bavarian by origin so... how would this glorify Zionism?

The rest of what was said are total conspiracies. WW3 will be set to happen just as the other WWs (World Wars) happened. No matter the side of the politics, whether it is from EU, Israel or whoever... it's all the same thing. Bigger games are played I agree but, heck, like is there something we can do about it? No, we cannot.

If you cannot look around you and see the violence and death right in front of you, you'll soon join it because you are aiding it with your ignorance. Whether Nazi or Zion, the face of death is the same.

I am trying to make some sense of what you have said? The fact that I supposedly do not stick to the largely offered conspiracy about the "muh Zionists" and solely afirm and focus on the spiritual nature of the All Seeing Eye, means that I will soon "join the violence and death in front of me because I am adding it through my ignorance"? Trust me, I see a lot of death and violence going on, but at the same time I choose to stick to what I can control and have more than a grasp to it and would not let me butthurt (at least in my case): spirituality. If we want to look carefully I think we all know who really affirms the violence and death here, and that is Karenin with his Nazism.

Again, I do not glorify politics, like I have previously said: Political movements have always stood proof in my opinion to the stupidity of humanity to attribute symbols (like the All Seeing Eye) to political movements.. And to further prove this, since you talked a lot about Israel and more of its political side, let's take a look at the Star of David:

Spiritual context of the Star of David:

The Star of David or Magen David holds deep spiritual meaning representing divine protection, the union of opposites (male and female, light and darkness etc.), and the connection between Heaven and Earth. Formed by two intertwining triangles, it symbolizes the dynamic bond between humanity and the Divine.

The upward triangle signifies Man seeking connection to God and the Divine while the Downward triangle represents divine grace and love flowing into the physical world. The six corners of the Hexagram represent the 6 days of Creation / Genesis of our Planet, the center being related to protection and rest.

In Jewish mysticism, the symbol acts as a shield (magen) denoting God's protection and the harmonious integration of physical and spiritual realities.

So, pure spirituality and important esotericism. Let's take a look now at the political side of things:

In 1897, it became the emblem of Zionism, which, at the First Zionist Congress it transformed the mystical symbol into the modern Jewish national self-determination, sovereignty and pursuit of a homeland.

So, here we can start to see the alteration of the symbol's original use and meaning.

Furthermore:

For Jewish communities globally, wearing or displaying the star expresses cultural solidarity, resilience, and connection to Israel. Conversely, in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the symbol is perceived by critics and Palestinians through the lens of state power, military occupation, and territorial disputes.

The last point proves it perfectly: territorial disputes, state power, military occupation (all political stuff by the way) totally altered the real and deep spiritual meaning of the symbol.

 

[Firetree]

Hello, I came across this forum from a reverse image search, and it was by accident. But by golly does this place look new to me and worthwhile. I've always been into Völkisch, Esoteric SS knowledge regarding the Aryan race in and outside of Europe and I wish I could give y'all some good info and I hope I'll get some too in return.

What is this whole place about and for anyway? Oh, also how do I if and when get a banner and my own title?

I have spent over 10 years studying the Aryans .... thing was , it was never a race , it was a name the Indo- Iranians gave to themselves , it eventuated as 'Iran' . It has absolutely nothing to do with Germany , or modern 'race concepts' or politics or anything like that .

So , one might wonder how that word got 'all mixed up ' with Nazism ?

The Nazis adopted the term "Aryan" due to a mix of 19th-century linguistic confusion, romantic nationalism, and pseudoscientific racism. They did not invent the word; instead, they hijacked a linguistic concept and twisted it to fit their racial ideology.

Confused about linguistics .

Because ancient Indian texts used the self-identifier Arya, early European linguists mistakenly concluded that "Aryan" was the name of the original, ancestral language spoken by the creators of this entire language family.

Which basically translates to ; they were claiming their origins were Indians !

Nowadays we think that was a late manifestation of that language ; Sanskrit came out of Indo-Iranian culture as a split off, like Avestan , the language of Zoroastrian Avesta , before the split it was a blend of Indo- European and possibly modified by BMAC , before that it is known as proto IE ; PIE languages .

Its all based on a mistake and old school limited and misunderstood language and a 'mind set filter ' that saw everything in an 'Empire Model ' .

 

[Rynnshng]

My sorcerer's namesake, "Ryan Anschauung" is a truncation of 'Aryan' - which I have understood to be of Sanskrit origin and meaning, "Noble", Weltanschauung meaning Worldview. Nazism, Zionism, Fascism are each the product of human inability to control the power of Ideology.

 

[Kepler]

Can't resist, because this convo is so much reminding me of Red Dwarf... that series is quite popular in my country... Had pretty crazy episode with extra evil characters of history being "cured" of evil...

and The Producers

 

[Rynnshng]

Well, first and foremost, I want to specify that it really doesn't matter for me if you trust me or not. I just answered your first message about the Illuminati symbol as of course I noticed it was directed at my message where I told Karenin about his picture.

Secondly, I want to say that I find it really enlightening that you do not agree with the NSDAP. But... here's where you err...:



Since when affirming about a symbol like the one that I said and has origins related to Ancient Egypt relate to bringing the WW3? Like I have said and even proven, the symbol relates solely to Ancient Egypt, has connections to European Renaissance art in which it took more of a Christian place and cultural syncretism (again, no Zionism here), and it now has connections with the Freemasonry. I even told you that the Illuminati were German / Bavarian by origin so... how would this glorify Zionism?

The rest of what was said are total conspiracies. WW3 will be set to happen just as the other WWs (World Wars) happened. No matter the side of the politics, whether it is from EU, Israel or whoever... it's all the same thing. Bigger games are played I agree but, heck, like is there something we can do about it? No, we cannot.


I am trying to make some sense of what you have said? The fact that I supposedly do not stick to the largely offered conspiracy about the "muh Zionists" and solely afirm and focus on the spiritual nature of the All Seeing Eye, means that I will soon "join the violence and death in front of me because I am adding it through my ignorance"? Trust me, I see a lot of death and violence going on, but at the same time I choose to stick to what I can control and have more than a grasp to it and would not let me butthurt (at least in my case): spirituality. If we want to look carefully I think we all know who really affirms the violence and death here, and that is Karenin with his Nazism.

Again, I do not glorify politics, like I have previously said: Political movements have always stood proof in my opinion to the stupidity of humanity to attribute symbols (like the All Seeing Eye) to political movements.. And to further prove this, since you talked a lot about Israel and more of its political side, let's take a look at the Star of David:

Spiritual context of the Star of David:





The upward triangle signifies Man seeking connection to God and the Divine while the Downward triangle represents divine grace and love flowing into the physical world. The six corners of the Hexagram represent the 6 days of Creation / Genesis of our Planet, the center being related to protection and rest.

In Jewish mysticism, the symbol acts as a shield (magen) denoting God's protection and the harmonious integration of physical and spiritual realities.

So, pure spirituality and important esotericism. Let's take a look now at the political side of things:



So, here we can start to see the alteration of the symbol's original use and meaning.

Furthermore:



The last point proves it perfectly: territorial disputes, state power, military occupation (all political stuff by the way) totally altered the real and deep spiritual meaning of the symbol.

Then don't say trust me and appeal to your sense of authority to make a statement valid by it.

I have a significant background moving in spaces occupied by neo nazi ideologies, from Temple 88, ONA, Atomwaffen, ToB, The Black Order and many others with whom I have and still intersect - usually to lecture them about the destructive nature of National Socialism. Royal Arch Freemasonry is connected to Zionism (we published its private internal MM handbook), as is the o9a, that splintered from the original Order of Nine Angles and used Joshua Sutter/Jillian Hoy in captivity and funded by the FBI to -attempt- to destroy it through its introduction of CSAM and rollover of two separate entities into one amorphous psyop. A favour we returned in spades to our government to force them to make a decision and choose between Israel or Australia.

The attitude of attacking nazi as though they were the issue, has blind-sided governments, universities, academics, counter-terrorism and created an utter disaster of murder and mayhem just like the maelstrom that Hitler generated - but this is much worse. My view of your lack of empathy with the dead may not be apparent to you - since you think it is acceptable to suggest a symbol responsible for exceptional death and suffering should serve the millions who gave their lives in the last world war, which was also driven by such an over-arching symbol used to justify great death.

The swastika did not begin with its meaning blackened by holocaust either, the star of david will join it as a symbol of infamy, in time - and no doubt we will repeat the past and demonize it while the world is taken over by yet another force pretending to fight darkness on all our behalves, given the poor awareness of the general human race.

 

[Aeternus]

Then don't say trust me and appeal to your sense of authority to make a statement valid by it.

I have a significant background moving in spaces occupied by neo nazi ideologies, from Temple 88, ONA, Atomwaffen, ToB, The Black Order and many others with whom I have and still intersect - usually to lecture them about the destructive nature of National Socialism. Royal Arch Freemasonry is connected to Zionism (we published its private internal MM handbook), as is the o9a, that splintered from the original Order of Nine Angles and used Joshua Sutter/Jillian Hoy in captivity and funded by the FBI to -attempt- to destroy it through its introduction of CSAM and rollover of two separate entities into one amorphous psyop. A favour we returned in spades to our government to force them to make a decision.

The attitude of attacking nazi as thought they were the issue, has blind-sided governments, universities, academics, counter-terrorism and created an utter disaster of murder and mayhem just like the maelstrom that Hitler generated - but this is much worse. My view of your lack of empathy with the dead may not be apparent to you - since you think it is acceptable to suggest a symbol responsible for exceptional death and suffering should serve the millions who gave their lives in the last world war, which was also driven by such an over-arching symbol used to justify great death.

The swastika did not begin with its meaning blackened by holocaust either, the star of david will join it as a symbol of infamy, in time - and no doubt we will repeat the past and demonize it while the world is taken over by yet another force pretending to fight darkness on all our behalves, given the poor awareness of the general human race.

Where did I essentially tell anyone to blindly take my statement about the Illuminati symbol? I think I have to copy paste my own post again:

Bro you cannot be serious. Out of all pictures you chose the Oskar Dirlewanger one?

For those who don't know, Oscar Dirlewanger founded the Dirlewanger Brigade during WWII and his unit, consisting primarily of convicted criminals and penal soldiers, unit that was known as the most sadistic Waffen-SS units involved in civilian executions, severe atrocities in Poland and Belarus and war crimes.

If you cannot find any occult pic, then maybe I suggest you use this:

The All Seeing Eye which, in the context of honoring the victims of WWII shows that the whole Universe never forgets the violence done to the victims of the war crimes.

Or the forget-me-not flower which can be used to pay respects.

Or at least choose something million times better than Nazi bullcrap. Distance from the Nazi bullshit for evolving your soul.

So, where did I say anything related to the symbol in a dictatorial way like you would put it? I am talking in an authoritative way, which means that I really have documented backup for what I am saying.

Moving on...

I have a significant background moving in spaces occupied by neo nazi ideologies, from Temple 88, ONA, Atomwaffen, ToB, The Black Order and many others with whom I have and still intersect - usually to lecture them about the destructive nature of National Socialism. Royal Arch Freemasonry is connected to Zionism (we published its private internal MM handbook), as is the o9a, that splintered from the original Order of Nine Angles and used Joshua Sutter/Jillian Hoy in captivity and funded by the FBI to -attempt- to destroy it through its introduction of CSAM and rollover of two separate entities into one amorphous psyop. A favour we returned in spades to our government to force them to make a decision.

What was the point of bringing a lot of nihilistic Nazi idiots like AttomWaffen or other groups that you mentioned? It's pretty useless to bring them into discussion when all I did was to try to explain symbolism and the problem of Nazi and political movements.

The attitude of attacking nazi as thought they were the issue, has blind-sided governments, universities, academics, counter-terrorism and created an utter disaster of murder and mayhem just like the maelstrom that Hitler generated - but this is much worse. My view of your lack of empathy with the dead may not be apparent to you - since you think it is acceptable to suggest a symbol responsible for exceptional death and suffering should serve the millions who gave their lives in the last world war, which was also driven by such an over-arching symbol used to justify great death.

I don't think I have lack of empathy. I really find it gut wrenching to see how glorified are some Neo-Nazi or other extremist political movements at times without consequences for the perpetrators in some cases. I find it gut wrenching to see the crimes of WW2. But I can say that the symbol that the perpetrators of the gut wrenching crimes of WW2 was not the Star of David, nor the Indian Swastika. It was the damned German version of the Swastika, and also the Iron Cross.

And yes, Nazis were the problem. There was no Zionist attack. Let's take the Oskar Dirlewanger dude that Karenin chose as his picture:

Dirlewanger had an impressive career as a junior officer during World War I.[8] He fought in the post-World War I conflicts in Germany as a minor commander in the Freikorps militia movement, with the troops he led then also characterized by excessive violence,[9] and participated in the Spanish Civil War.[10] Through his service with the Condor Legion during the Spanish Civil War, he was politically rehabilitated despite his criminal record, allowing his return to favor within the Nazi Party. He was a habitual offender,[11] convicted in interwar Germany for illegal weapons possession and a sexual offense involving a minor; the latter conviction was annulled in 1940.[8][12] During World War II, he was appointed and headed a special Waffen-SS unit that was officially named after him and was composed for the most part of conscripted convicts and other prisoners.

Serving mostly in Poland and Belarus, he has been closely linked to many atrocities, being responsible for the deaths of at least tens of thousands.[4] In Belarus alone, Dirlewanger may have been responsible for around 120,000 killed and 200 villages destroyed.[13] In Warsaw, he was responsible for up to 30,000 killed, most of them non-combatants.[14] His methods included rape and torture,[15] and he personally kept numerous women as his sex slaves.[16] He also repeatedly engaged in systematic looting, amassing stolen property for personal use. His unit is considered to have committed the worst crimes of the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising, alongside the Kaminski Brigade,[17][18][19] though Timothy Snyder described the behavior of Dirlewanger as being even worse.[20] Besides brutality to civilians and captured enemy combatants, Dirlewanger was ruthless to his men, whom he would beat and kill if they displeased him.[21][22] His unit is further regarded as the war's most infamous in Belarus, as well as Poland,[20] and arguably the worst military force in modern European history based in terms of criminality and cruelty.[23]

Dirlewanger deserted in April 1945. He was captured by French authorities in June and then died shortly afterward while in Allied custody. Although postwar rumors claimed that he had survived and fled abroad to Egypt, these were later disproven following the exhumation and forensic identification of his remains in 1960, which confirmed that he died in 1945.

Or should I go about Henrich Himmler?

After serving in a reserve battalion during World War I without seeing combat, Himmler went on to join the Nazi Party in 1923. In 1925, he joined the SS, which was initially a small paramilitary arm of the Nazi Party that served as a bodyguard unit for Adolf Hitler. Himmler rose steadily through the SS's ranks to become Reichsführer-SS by 1929. Under Himmler's leadership, the SS grew from a 290-man battalion into one of the most powerful institutions in Nazi Germany. Over the course of his career, Himmler acquired a reputation for good organisational skills and for selecting highly competent subordinates, such as Reinhard Heydrich. From 1943 onwards, he was both Chief of the Kriminalpolizei (Criminal Police) and Minister of the Interior, which gave him oversight of all police and security forces (including the Gestapo). He also controlled the Waffen-SS, a branch of the SS that served in combat alongside the Wehrmacht (Germany's armed forces) in World War II.

As the principal enforcer of the Nazis' racial policies, Himmler was responsible for operating concentration and extermination camps as well as forming the Einsatzgruppen death squads in German-occupied Europe. In this capacity, he played a central role in the genocide of an estimated 5.5–6 million Jews and the deaths of millions of other victims during the Holocaust.[1] A day before the launch of Operation Barbarossa in June 1941, Himmler commissioned the drafting of Generalplan Ost, which was approved by Hitler in May 1942 and implemented by the Nazi regime, resulting in the deaths of approximately 14 million people in Eastern Europe.

As for the last claim:

Royal Arch Freemasonry is connected to Zionism (we published its private internal MM handbook)

Just like the Fabricated Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the fact that Royal Arch Freemasonry is connected to Zionism is a huge conspiracy, stemming from anti-masonic and anti-semitic pamphlets.

The usage of Old Testament Babylonian Captivity, the use of Jerusalem and The Temple in Royal Arch Freemasonry is purely symbolic and has nothing to do with Zionism.

Royal Arch Freemasonry is also way older than Zionism:

The Star of David / Seal of Solomon: The emblem of Royal Arch Masonry features the Triple Tau enclosed by a "Seal of Solomon" (interlaced triangles forming a star). This symbol was used by various ancient cultures and Freemasons long before it was adopted by the First Zionist Congress in 1897 as a symbol for the modern Zionist movement and the flag of Israel.

So, it proves my point that what you said about Royal Arch Masonry is just another baseless, conspiracy.

 

[Rynnshng]

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Direct evidence, from a 1941 handbook privately printed by Bellmaine Bros.
AIPAC, Epstein, Shivat Zion, o9a, Royal Arch Freemasonry, The Mossad are all different virulent forms that entrap Man in webs across the globe that lead back to Israel. But I'd rather not repeat myself today and my fight isn't with you.

 

[hollowglasd]

isnt this arguing with eachother back and forth what the nazi wants as he sits back and laughs.
hes hardly participated in his own thread.

 

[Rynnshng]

That is a very limited way to view the exchange.

 

[diana_i_gusarova]

OK. Let's return to our muttons. The topic of the dispute is whether Hitler was an occultist, or even an avatar of a deity, as Miguel Serrano claims. Ahnenerbe, Wewelsburg Castle, SS runic rituals, Base 211 in Antarctica... Is all this reality or fiction? We speak out!

 

[HoldAll]

OK. Let's return to our muttons. The topic of the dispute is whether Hitler was an occultist, or even an avatar of a deity, as Miguel Serrano claims. Ahnenerbe, Wewelsburg Castle, SS runic rituals, Base 211 in Antarctica... Is all this reality or fiction? We speak out!

No, it was mainly Himmler and maybe that hypochondriac Heß. Himmler was blindly and slavishly loyal, so Hitler gave him a lot of leeway in the occult arena. The newsreels where SS phrenologists traveled to Tibet to measure the natives for evidence of god-knows-what are cringe to the extreme, the Otto Rahn affair with his search for the Holy Grail feverishly amateurish, the pathetic list goes on and on. Otherwise, the nazis came down hard on all occult orders (like e.g. the Fraternitas Saturni), same as they did on any independent thinkers or secret societies they were unable to control or coopt.

The fact that some SS men liked to play dress-up and perform rituals their failed chicken farmer of a boss dreamt up smells like LARPing to me. Himmler remodelled the Wewelsburg according to his specifications but that doesn't mean the SS were an effective occult organisation - if some fools think they were, it's only because they love a good conspiracy yarn. You concoct loads of outrageous stories based on those newsreels I mentioned as well as some snippets here and there but the historical fact is that the Ahnenerbe was a pseudoscientific organisation who later conducted fatal experiments on concentration camp inmates and the Waffen SS a bunch of murderous bastards. The allure of those black uniforms with their collectible rings and daggers is still going strong in some quarters though, and it's the whole 'black' nazi mystique that keeps drawing people in. All occult trappings and no substance is my verdict. By the way, my grandma used to be obsessed with the

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, lots of speculation in her day, that would probably yield another fantasist Serano tale if he didn't write one already.

 

[diana_i_gusarova]

That's the point. Many people (especially young people) believe in the "mystique of the SS." Whereas in fact it was Himmler who FORBADE the study of runes and so on. In 1939, six Japanese who had come to the Reich to teach the SS the mysticism of Buddhism and Shintoism were arrested as British spies. Himmler told the SS officers to "Believe. To obey. To fight. That's all." All study of runes and other things was stopped. But modern neo-Nazis believe that Himmler was a "great runologist" and so on.

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Неонацисты говорят, что Йорг Ланц фон Либенфельс был идейным и духовным основателем национал-социализма. Это не так. После 1945 года Ланц спокойно жил в Австрии, в основном в Вене, не подвергаясь никаким преследованиям со стороны советских оккупационных властей, давая интервью журналистам о своих встречах с молодым Гитлером и хвастаясь тем, что тот "дал последнему все свои идеи" На самом деле тезисы о расовой чистоте и расовом отборе, евгенических мерах и так далее были широко распространены в обществе того времени и без Либенфельса и его журнала "Остара". Разделение на "высшую" и "нижнюю" расы вовсе не является "изобретением" фашистов или национал-социалистов. Это официальная научная доктрина антропологии и ракологии того времени. В том числе в таких полностью демократических странах, как Великобритания и США (где, кстати, до середины 50-х годов на скамейках висели таблички "только для белых", а принудительная стерилизация алкоголиков и психически больных людей применялась за 10 лет до прихода Гитлера к власти). Заявление о том, что президентом США станет чернокожий мужчина, вызвало бы приступ гомерического смеха даже у тех американских солдат, которые воевали против нацистов. Даже через 10-15 лет после войны. Потому что чернокожий мужчина может только подметать улицы или доставлять пиво. Ну и банджо в джазе тоже можно играть. Антисемитизм тоже придумали не Либенфельс и Гитлер. Кстати, разногласия по "еврейскому вопросу" между Либенфельсом и Гитлером особенно велики и очевидны. По словам Эльзы Шмидт-Фальк из Общества Гвидо фон Листа, близко знавшей Гитлера в юности, фюрер лишь однажды, а затем крайне неодобрительно, высказался о Ланце и его "клике гомосексуалистов". Ну, если верить самому Гитлеру ("Моя борьба", глава 12. Начальный период развития Национал-социалистической рабочей партии Германии.), тогда он мог'т стой вообще всякие мистики и народники..

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Neo-Nazis say that Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels was the ideological and spiritual founder of National Socialism. This is not the case. After 1945, Lanz lived quietly in Austria, mainly in Vienna, without being subjected to any persecution by the Soviet occupation authorities, giving interviews to journalists about his meetings with the young Hitler and boasting that he had "given the latter all his ideas." In fact, theses about racial purity and racial selection, eugenic measures, and so on were widespread in the society of that time even without Liebenfels and his Ostara magazine. The division into "higher" and "lower" races is not at all an "invention" of fascists or National Socialists. This is the official scientific doctrine of anthropology and racology of that time. Including in such fully democratic countries as the United Kingdom and the United States (where, by the way, "whites only" signs hung on benches until the mid-50s, and forced sterilization of alcoholics and mentally ill people was used 10 years before Hitler came to power). The statement that a black man would be President of the United States would cause a fit of homeric laughter even from those American soldiers who fought against the Nazis. Even 10-15 years after the war. Because a black man can only sweep the streets or deliver beer. Well, you can also play the banjo in jazz. Anti-Semitism was also not invented by Liebenfels and Hitler. By the way, the differences on the "Jewish question" between Liebenfels and Hitler are particularly large and obvious. According to Elsa Schmidt-Falk of the Guido von List Society, who knew Hitler intimately in her youth, the Fuhrer only once, and then extremely disapprovingly, spoke about Lanz and his "clique of homosexuals." Well, if you believe Hitler himself ("My struggle", chapter 12. The initial period of the development of the National Socialist Workers' Party of Germany.), then he couldn't stand all kinds of mystics and narodniks at all..

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We need to tell the truth. Consistently expose myths. And not just saying something like, "You Nazi pig, you killed millions of people." The Soviet Union lost 27 million of its citizens in that war, more than any other country. We won this war. The Nazis were defeated. A terrible, bloody price. In every family in the USSR, there were those who died in that war. Military and civilian. But winning a war and winning an ideology are two different things. You can't just ban a person from being a Nazi. We need to explain to him what's good and what's bad about it.

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If a person is a neo-Nazi because he believes that Hitler was an "Avatar" or Himmler was a "great runologist," we must figure out the FACTS whether this is true or not. Otherwise we won't be able to prove anything.