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HGA and Abramelin
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To me the Abramelin ritual is 'wack-a-doodle' . The recent film out about it caused a bit of discussion, which I took part in ( elsewhere) .
It appears to be some type of masked Judaism mixed with this and that , resulting in a ritual where ' you spend a lot of time to get pure and holy so you can force demons to let you see dancing maidens .
WTF that has to do with K&C of HGA ? wait for it ..... it is said it is done as a demonstration to show the practitioner has risen above being affected by such things and merely appreciates the artistic value
In my experience there is no one rite to do this ; it is either something a person has or is born with or something they found and / or developed after various processes and experiences .
Also I advise not to get too hung up on the concept of HGA .... modify and combine it with concepts like 'tutelary spirit ' , ' Fraveshi and khvarenah' in Zoroastrianism , 'Daemon' / 'Genius' in ancient Greek .
Without this contact and guidance it is all but impossible to achieve Eudamonia !
It appears to be some type of masked Judaism mixed with this and that , resulting in a ritual where ' you spend a lot of time to get pure and holy so you can force demons to let you see dancing maidens .
WTF that has to do with K&C of HGA ? wait for it ..... it is said it is done as a demonstration to show the practitioner has risen above being affected by such things and merely appreciates the artistic value
In my experience there is no one rite to do this ; it is either something a person has or is born with or something they found and / or developed after various processes and experiences .
Also I advise not to get too hung up on the concept of HGA .... modify and combine it with concepts like 'tutelary spirit ' , ' Fraveshi and khvarenah' in Zoroastrianism , 'Daemon' / 'Genius' in ancient Greek .
Without this contact and guidance it is all but impossible to achieve Eudamonia !
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What was your experience like?
I appreciate your response. I believe that these truths are held under different containers to perhaps weed out the dabblers from the true initiates. On the one had, it's definitely going to produce incredible will and focus, and on the other perhaps a medium by which the student can stick with something for so long in a world where there's always a new book, revelation, tech, or system one can learn of borrow from. Perhaps it's meant to produce a distillation of sorts and connect one to the greater energy(s) that are available to us if we so choose.To me the Abramelin ritual is 'wack-a-doodle' . The recent film out about it caused a bit of discussion, which I took part in ( elsewhere) .
It appears to be some type of masked Judaism mixed with this and that , resulting in a ritual where ' you spend a lot of time to get pure and holy so you can force demons to let you see dancing maidens .
WTF that has to do with K&C of HGA ? wait for it ..... it is said it is done as a demonstration to show the practitioner has risen above being affected by such things and merely appreciates the artistic value
In my experience there is no one rite to do this ; it is either something a person has or is born with or something they found and / or developed after various processes and experiences .
Also I advise not to get too hung up on the concept of HGA .... modify and combine it with concepts like 'tutelary spirit ' , ' Fraveshi and khvarenah' in Zoroastrianism , 'Daemon' / 'Genius' in ancient Greek .
Without this contact and guidance it is all but impossible to achieve Eudamonia !
'Meant to ' ? For me that brings up the question; what was it meant to do ? That is, what was the author or the collator /distributor of its intentions ; the reason for the purpose of the book . I seriously doubt it was supposed to put people in contact with some 'HGA' ( I realize that is the seen as the common intention today )
While the narrative claims to be a 15th-century Jewish text, academic analysis and modern discoveries show it is actually a patchwork of Christian theology, German folklore, and highly corrupted translations .
some info from AI ;
- Hidden Christian Authorship: While supposedly written by a medieval Jew ("Abraham of Worms"), modern scholars like Rick-Arne Kollatsch have revealed the text was likely composed around 1600 by a Christian author. Early manuscripts contain direct quotes from Martin Luther’s German translation of the Bible rather than any ancient Hebrew sources. Later copyists intentionally altered these parts to make them look more "authentically Hebrew". [, , , ]
- The Roman Catholic Vulgate: The French manuscript used for the famous English translation features quotes from the Book of Psalms. However, the text copies the Latin Vulgate Bible—the official scripture of the Roman Catholic Church—rather than the Hebrew Torah. []
- Stolen Grimoire Material: The authoritative German copies are split into four books. Book Two is entirely a composite mashup of generic, practical folksy magic and Kabbalah. Large portions of it are copy-pasted directly from The Sixth and Seventh Books of Moses, an entirely separate German-Jewish grimoire. []
- The French and English Translation Errors: The "Abramelin" most people know today is a secondary concoction compiled by occultist S.L. MacGregor Mathers. He translated a heavily flawed, incomplete 18th-century French copy from the Bibliothèque de l'Arsenal. Mathers accidentally left out an entire book of the text, changed the ritual length from one year to six months, and printed word grids that were totally broken or transposed incorrectly. [, , , ]
- which brings us back to the 'why' or what it was 'meant to do' ( that is , not the supposed inner result from the text but the 'why' of ; why go to all that troubkle of fabricating it ?
'' The author wanted to create a complete, ultimate magical encyclopedia. To do this, they stole and mixed everyday European folk magic, Jewish Kabbalah, and snippets of older German spellbooks. By rewriting these stolen parts into a single cohesive narrative, the author created a "one-stop shop" for magic while effectively hiding the fact that they were plagiarising contemporary folk traditions.''