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Honestly, what is the point of incarnation?

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I know you come to earth to experience, spiritually evolve and learn, but I supposed often I feel quite a bit disheartened and disappointed by the whole experience of being here, because I feel as such, I mean I'm not really stagnating, but I sometimes do because the things that the earth values don't really feel like the things that I value, or the best place to be for my spiritual evolution. I mean, I'm going to be straight, it's not very focused on things such as charity, kindness, serving others which has brought me satisfaction and growth and being on in a realm which prioritizes profit and material comforts seems to be rather counter-active towards my spiritual growth, and I wonder if this is really the best place to be incarnated in?

I mean, I'm not getting down on myself, and honestly, not to get too new agey. What do you consider to be the purpose of incarnation? Do you just come to evolve so you can access higher planes of the astral realm in-between lives where things feel and look prettier? Isn't that sort of pointless too in the large scale of everything? I mean, I wouldn't call the astral realm to be illusionary, because it's described as feeling and being more real than this realm, but sometimes I wonder, what is the point of everything?
Incarnation here is hell. Sure there are some people who are above the average morality standard, but regardless this place makes you feel like there’s no hope. I suppose spiritual growth is the best some people will get. All you really have are your faith and beliefs. You can only hope that’s enough to make it through the tests/obstacles we all face here.
 

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This experience can be anything you want it to be. I believe we are held in a malicious cycle of forced reincarnation, yet I don't believe this to be a prison as we can overcome this compulsion with enough understanding and effort. As some see this to be hell others can easily experience "heaven" with again understanding and effort.

As for infant mortality this forced reincarnation operates within the laws of sequential karma; meaning karma is weighed at the end (if you are unable to forego another incarnation) and from what I understand infant mortality removes a large amount of negative karma that has been accrued in a previous life.

This forced incarnation is maintained by an extremely complex spiriomaterialistic machine housed within our satellite. This may be perceived as a prison as this cycle is used as a source of energy not only to continue powering this said mechanistic recycler of energy(memories and emotions) but also as a source of sustinance to malicious(?) deities who have chosen to maintain their relationship to this realm as they no longer have to rely on the energy of worship from the subjects below.

We were created as slaves and servants. But as this creation was used with "shards of the all" we do have the ability to overcome this and become more ... With understanding and effort.

Seek within you to find your essence, seek without you to dissolve your ego, use your will to recombine this in YOUR OWN IMAGE... Not theirs.

Listen, watch and learn carefully to all you can, reflect passionately on your own, experiment/experience to know, meditate to reconcile and recombine your knowledge as you recoagulate your ego, make reality yours; as this is your purpose.

Life and spirituality are much more complex than the occult would lead you to believe.

--This is my reality, create your own--
 
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This experience can be anything you want it to be. I believe we are held in a malicious cycle of forced reincarnation, yet I don't believe this to be a prison as we can overcome this compulsion with enough understanding and effort. As some see this to be hell others can easily experience "heaven" with again understanding and effort.

As for infant mortality this forced reincarnation operates within the laws of sequential karma; meaning karma is weighed at the end (if you are unable to forego another incarnation) and from what I understand infant mortality removes a large amount of negative karma that has been accrued in a previous life.

This forced incarnation is maintained by an extremely complex spiriomaterialistic machine housed within our satellite. This may be perceived as a prison as this cycle is used as a source of energy not only to continue powering this said mechanistic recycler of energy(memories and emotions) but also as a source of sustinance to malicious(?) deities who have chosen to maintain their relationship to this realm as they no longer have to rely on the energy of worship from the subjects below.

We were created as slaves and servants. But as this creation was used with "shards of the all" we do have the ability to overcome this and become more ... With understanding and effort.

Seek within you to find your essence, seek without you to dissolve your ego, use your will to recombine this in YOUR OWN IMAGE... Not theirs.

Listen, watch and learn carefully to all you can, reflect passionately on your own, experiment/experience to know, meditate to reconcile and recombine your knowledge as you recoagulate your ego, make reality yours; as this is your purpose.

Life and spirituality are much more complex than the occult would lead you to believe.

--This is my reality, create your own--
A very passionate response. I appreciated reading that. Although at times all hope seems lost, I also have moments where I want to dominate this world. Not in a malicious manner, but in the form of overcoming the negativity that attempts to overtake us in the most subtle ways. There are worst things to face in this reality than what is physical. Magic is used against us everyday to attack our subconscious. Most in the world only see black and white. And there are those of us who know that grey exists. Never lose hope, dominate every aspect of your reality.
 

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As for infant mortality this forced reincarnation operates within the laws of sequential karma; meaning karma is weighed at the end (if you are unable to forego another incarnation) and from what I understand infant mortality removes a large amount of negative karma that has been accrued in a previous life.
I gotta be honest with you. When my infant daughter was a few months old and I was talking to her about her past lives, I swear she always used to look like a mob boss with her little bald head. Maybe there's something to that theory, 🤣.

That being said, I'm still skeptical of the "negative positve karmic balance" line of thinking. That same line of reasoning tends to lead to "people who are child rapists are raping themselves in another life and that balances out the karma" line of reasoning, which gets too close to justifying bad things. But I dunno. I swear when I was on a video call with that baby when she was seven months old, she was eyeing my cigarette like a veteran chain smoker being smoked in front of. It does make me believe she may have been clearing a karmic debt I wouldn't otherwise believe existed. If she was doing that, she succeeded, because her smile lit up everywhere she went, and she had so many smiles to give.
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This forced incarnation is maintained by an extremely complex spiriomaterialistic machine housed within our satellite. This may be perceived as a prison as this cycle is used as a source of energy not only to continue powering this said mechanistic recycler of energy(memories and emotions) but also as a source of sustinance to malicious(?) deities who have chosen to maintain their relationship to this realm as they no longer have to rely on the energy of worship from the subjects below.
Supposing the existence of said entities, the general consensus is they speak/appear through works of fiction because they're manifestations of the collective unconscious. I'm going to cite Monsters Inc. To remind you of the moral at the end, the monsters discover that laughter is 10x more powerful an energy source as fear. The matrix we're in is shifting into a more positive model, as humanity learns to love one another, to put it plainly.

As I see it, we're entering an age where there's a new, simplified universal religion. Despite the hundreds of religions you can read about on wikipedia, the truth is 90–99% of people you meet believe in two things: Compassion and truth. That's what most people practice, no matter the label they put on it.
We were created as slaves and servants. But as this creation was used with "shards of the all" we do have the ability to overcome this and become more ... With understanding and effort.
Were we created as slaves and servants? I'm not sure. I think the creation process is interdependent, the things we create in turn create us. If you don't spend time creating, sure, you're a slave to other creations. But you can't spend all of your time in a creative state, most people experience burnout when they do this (if not all). So in your down time, when you're recharging, you have to choose what you engage in that someone else came up with, and justify to yourself why it's a worthy pursuit. A quote I like: "Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time.".

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A very passionate response. I appreciated reading that. Although at times all hope seems lost, I also have moments where I want to dominate this world. Not in a malicious manner, but in the form of overcoming the negativity that attempts to overtake us in the most subtle ways. There are worst things to face in this reality than what is physical. Magic is used against us everyday to attack our subconscious. Most in the world only see black and white. And there are those of us who know that grey exists. Never lose hope, dominate every aspect of your reality.
I really don't get this mentality. You've got to explain it to me so I understand. What is this subtle negativity in the world? My daughter died in front of me before her second birthday and I'm the least negative person I know. I'm always smiling, always joking around, and I ain't the least bit depressed. My dad told me when I was sad one time, just look for something that makes you happy, like a baby at the grocery store. Just find something to smile about. There's always something. I read your post and I thought: "Black and white? Grey? The world is full of colours!". To loosely quote Butters: "Sure, I'm sad. But at the same time, I'm happy I'm sad. Because I must have felt real good to be able to feel sad about something.". Sadness is just a flavor of life. Same with anger.

This is something I wanted to teach my daughter. Every emotion is meant to be experienced, or we wouldn't have them. Don't think that certain emotions are "good" or "bad" and try to break any conditioning around them. You can't be happy all the time, it's chemically impossible, so instead, drink deep of the emotions and let yourself feel them fully. It's okay to cry, it's okay to shout (but if you shout at a loved one, it's okay to apologize while you're still angry), it's okay to be jealous. But after you cry, take a deep breath. After you shout, take a deep breath. After you think about how great someone else has it, take a deep breath. Have an experience, then breathe and process it.

Life's so precious, I don't know how anyone could think a world is hell while they're living in it. You can smell the air after it rains, you can tell someone to have a great day, you could eat a piece of fruit. Literally everything you could possibly do with your day is awesome if you just engage with it fully and appreciate it for what it is instead of what it is not.

But please, earnestly, tell me what's subtly wrong with this world that I'm missing. My own son espouses this ideology, and I essentially told him he has a perception issue, which felt unhelpful. I seek to understand better.
 
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Supposing the existence of said entities, the general consensus is they speak/appear through works of fiction because they're manifestations of the collective unconscious. I'm going to cite Monsters Inc. To remind you of the moral at the end, the monsters discover that laughter is 10x more powerful an energy source as fear. The matrix we're in is shifting into a more positive model, as humanity learns to love one another, to put it plainly.
As for many entities I agree many can be explained by simply assigning the fault to a collective generation of a tulpa and/or egregores. I do not subscribe to the sole existence of humanity within the expanse of creation let alone the material plane being the only realm of which sentience occurs. Higher planes would be my estimation inherently incubate 'higher predators'. I disagree that positivity is shifting into a more positive model for everyone, rather the divide of positivity and negativity seems to becoming disperate which I've noted causes more pains than not. As for the Disney/Pixar rendition of energy reclamation, my doubts are again in full effect as to the true intentions of these forms of programming and propaganda.
As I see it, we're entering an age where there's a new, simplified universal religion. Despite the hundreds of religions you can read about on wikipedia, the truth is 90–99% of people you meet believe in two things: Compassion and truth. That's what most people practice, no matter the label they put on it.
As with most things these are all subjective concepts, I do not in any way support a universal religion and it would be alarming news to find that my opinion in this is that of the minority. I do believe that MOST people operate in the thought that they are 'in the right' and that their decisions are in the 'best interest' of others; only if they also benefit and feel a sense of virtue -again a subjective concept.
Were we created as slaves and servants? I'm not sure. I think the creation process is interdependent, the things we create in turn create us. If you don't spend time creating, sure, you're a slave to other creations. But you can't spend all of your time in a creative state, most people experience burnout when they do this (if not all). So in your down time, when you're recharging, you have to choose what you engage in that someone else came up with, and justify to yourself why it's a worthy pursuit. A quote I like: "Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time.".
To create does not release you from servitude. I do however agree any time you feel is beneficial surly is not a waste of time
I really don't get this mentality. You've got to explain it to me so I understand. What is this subtle negativity in the world? My daughter died in front of me before her second birthday and I'm the least negative person I know. I'm always smiling, always joking around, and I ain't the least bit depressed. My dad told me when I was sad one time, just look for something that makes you happy, like a baby at the grocery store. Just find something to smile about. There's always something. I read your post and I thought: "Black and white? Grey? The world is full of colours!". To loosely quote Butters: "Sure, I'm sad. But at the same time, I'm happy I'm sad. Because I must have felt real good to be able to feel sad about something.". Sadness is just a flavor of life. Same with anger.
I don't see any subtle in the negativity of this world as division of thought seems to rue the day. Either I'm on this team or on that team with very little room if any for a metered, well thought, contemplative position taking what is valuable from both forms of understanding to reach the most effective and mindful outcome. I do admire your ability to maintain your positive outlook on all of reality even though I respectfully disagree I truly support and applaud your conviction. Sadness is absolutely a flavor of life just as horror, domination, distain, disgust, wrath, disregard are... Just as charity, understanding, patience, mercy, and consideration; all operating as a reactionary cycle unless personally addressed and integrated.
This is something I wanted to teach my daughter. Every emotion is meant to be experienced, or we wouldn't have them. Don't think that certain emotions are "good" or "bad" and try to break any conditioning around them. You can't be happy all the time, it's chemically impossible, so instead, drink deep of the emotions and let yourself feel them fully. It's okay to cry, it's okay to shout (but if you shout at a loved one, it's okay to apologize while you're still angry), it's okay to be jealous. But after you cry, take a deep breath. After you shout, take a deep breath. After you think about how great someone else has it, take a deep breath. Have an experience, then breathe and process it.
Some have no time to process let alone breath after many worldly occurrences, I don't know what part of the world you inhabit but the rose colored reality it seems you have the luxury of frequenting but the majority of the world does not have a understanding of this process let alone a sanctuary in which contemplation is possible as many a required to simply react to survive.
Life's so precious, I don't know how anyone could think a world is hell while they're living in it. You can smell the air after it rains, you can tell someone to have a great day, you could eat a piece of fruit. Literally everything you could possibly do with your day is awesome if you just engage with it fully and appreciate it for what it is instead of what it is not.
As unlikely it may to believe I have an extremely deep appreciation of life, I believe that experiencing the incredible depths of darkness the world and humanity have to offer has given me the ability to conceptualize what is good and desirable and still have the understanding of how fragile and beautiful this life can be. I do very much love my life to the fullest my friend.
But please, earnestly, tell me what's subtly wrong with this world that I'm missing. My own son espouses this ideology, and I essentially told him he has a perception issue, which felt unhelpful. I seek to understand better.
My understanding of this world is that the SUBTLY of what's wrong this world is the unwillingness to look at the details as we all know what dwells there, to only perceive what we are comfortable with does not allow us a true understanding of where we are. Again I love that blind positivity is a reality for some, but I do not believe it helps the rest of us who do see the exponential inequities, injustices, disassociation, and over all nonsense in the world as many of those with these understandings dedicated our lives to truly making a difference; with action, not hopes.

I trust these words will meet you well ❤️
 
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