How do i summon a demon without sigil gazing

[noob99]

as written above i want to summon demons without any physical sigils is it possible

 

[Morell]

There are many ways to evoke a spirit. Sigil gazing is only one of them. Why not sigil anyway? What issues or limits do you face?

 

[noob99]

first I doubt myself my drawing is bad too bad, second i while sigil gazing i can't go deeper into trance

 

[Mycelial_Adept]

The trance state is what is needed. what is your normal way of reaching deep trance?

 

[OberonFromTheHills]

Pathworking.
Traditionnal ceremonial magick.
Altar magick.
Enns.

 

[noob99]

just do nothing forget about everything minimum let thoughts flow as they arrive without noticing them I sometimes stare at wall sometimes close eyes when I needed eventually I feel sleepy room darkening sometimes I lose in thoughts see visions sometimes see colors or little shadows in wall moving it happens rarely when I feel I'm not in my room I see I'm somewhere else it happens just for few sec and I get back

 

[Morell]

first I doubt myself my drawing is bad too bad, second i while sigil gazing i can't go deeper into trance

Drawing is matter of practice. Few afternoons of trying to draw sigils as you see them and you'll be all good.

And trance is about practice too. Don't be discouraged when it doesn't work for the first time. Give it some time every day and you'll get there eventualy. Mind is like a muscle. It requires time and efford to grow its strength.

 

[noob99]

Pathworking.
Traditionnal ceremonial magick.
Altar magick.
Enns.

will only enn work