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[Opinion] How you think about "god"?

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Anasa

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I'd thought 'god' is something who let people believe,pray and give oblation,every thing can be god.

But my dad was dead in 2025,a weird dream told my mom will close eyes in 2,16,2037 by natural end.
maybe this just a dream, a sorrow can't be say is more sorrow.

now i think human have soul and semsena,magic and angel is real.the only god is world's willing.no one leave to death
, complex society create the fate,everything have own "Tao". I think god is that truth we can be escape.

things can't be nice release always。
 

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A source from which most of existence or life hails from. There might be multiple of them or a bunch of smaller sources all stemming from a big source. Or multiple big sources.

I think of it like that concept like a cacoon. It's just a source to me. I don't think of a that source having personality nor personal characteristics. It just. And you have to crawl to get somewhere else. Where? What come of it? Who knows.

It's just a starting point for which you must crawl forwards. Crawl and crawl and crawl and maybe one day you reach somewhere you like or become the person you want to be. But its active and it take effort to crawl. Like a sea turtle getting born then making a mad dash to the ocean of existence.

Maybe some will reach the ocean maybe some will not. Thats really it.
 

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I personally believe that god is like money. Money is real, but doesn't actually exist - it only exists because everyone gets together and agrees that it does. As the Thomas Theorem says: "If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences".

The twist comes because magic allows the world to be malleable through the power of human thought, and thus 'defining a situation as real' can have very real magical consequences.

It is further possible that a critical mass of belief allows god to be treated like an egregore. Not actually an existant being, but something that behaves just like one.
 

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My personal understanding is very close to the Neoplatonic idea of "The One" which is beyond all. It's not a being - it's the source that being pours out of. I like to think of it like the sun: light and heat radiate from it constantly, the sun doesn't try, it just is. That's emanation. We're downstream, but we're still made of that original signal. So when people argue whether god is a person or an energy or an archetype, from a Neoplatonic view, what they're describing are the downstream reflections. The headwaters are beyond the map entirely.
 

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A source from which most of existence or life hails from. There might be multiple of them or a bunch of smaller sources all stemming from a big source. Or multiple big sources.

I think of it like that concept like a cacoon. It's just a source to me. I don't think of a that source having personality nor personal characteristics. It just. And you have to crawl to get somewhere else. Where? What come of it? Who knows.

It's just a starting point for which you must crawl forwards. Crawl and crawl and crawl and maybe one day you reach somewhere you like or become the person you want to be. But its active and it take effort to crawl. Like a sea turtle getting born then making a mad dash to the ocean of existence.

Maybe some will reach the ocean maybe some will not. Thats really it.
Even though I don't think the concept of g-d has a personality since I'm a person I think a lot of it comes down is people giving human qualities to non-human things. Maybe?

But the personality I attribute to this maybe or maybe not existing source/entity/whatever it is is kind of like the wizard from The Wizard of Oz. A figure built up even from the title but turns out to be just someone literally projecting themselves everywhere. Yet the wizard isn't in the movie long. The movie is called The Wizard of Oz yet not much is shown of what is supposed to be a title characters. The wizard is kind of just implied to exist more of role than a person. Their has to be a wizard of Oz because Oz and wizards go together I suppose. So much is built up about the wizard but in the end its just someone behind a curtain doing something in Oz.

Most belief systems I think are expecting this grand reveal some great universal truth but what if all thats really there is something some source behind a curtain projecting grandiosity when really its just another thing. Just another role just another cog in the machine of reality. Maybe its an important cog but still just another facet of the machine. The machine of reality itself just being there and thats it.

Thars how I view that concept. If it exists it just is and its just reality going through the motions. Maybe people want it to be big or something amazing but its like the The Wizard in Oz. The movie named itself that. The movie knows the wizard will never live up to that image. Thats the point. I don't think if this concept does exist that it can ever live up to the image its built over time. It just kind of is if it exists I think. I don't know how to feel about my thoughts on this. It grounding but makes me a little melancholic.
 
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There is no supreme god. One can actually go out of body to the source of the universe and perceive it to be no conscious being.

As I've previously explained, humans are subject to the faculty known as Hyperactive Agent Detection, so there is an evolutionary bias to believing any action must have an actor. As well, there are long-standing religious egregores people are tapping into when they pray/submit themselves to gods. And finally, religion is a tool of malevolent (or at least, predatory) beings. Religion is one of the most harmful barriers if one is interested in attaining immortality, yet most occultists see no problem soaking in it.
 

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God for me is the creator of the universe and of me and all within it to me Jesus is his son and god a person of the trinity
Three in one, one in three
 
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God and Self are inseparable, God is a field, god is all dimensions of existence, God is pure consciousness and so are we
 

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Damn. Well, this is a depth-charge in-waiting to blow up your magical practice. You can spend decades lost in the weeds here.

Religion is such a fraught area overall, and such a blind spot. Either people take it way too seriously, or not enough. You can spend your entire life worrying about this. Just go into ritual and take it literally, then come out and take it as a metaphor and live your life. See what real world effects you working had. If none, course correct, as better information comes in. This is a practice.

If you want to dive deep into a spiritual tradition, then do that later. We are magicians, and we all sit a bit to the side of formal religion, no matter how much we might like them on a vibe level.

OK, to get more into the weeds here.

I approach this question through a Neoplatonic lens: 'God' is that which we hold ultimately sacred. You can call that 'the gods' if you prefer, or Satan. I really don't care. If you force me to be more specific, I will align with the Neoplatonic and classical Catholic view that God is the Ground of Being - the primordial source from which all existence , and (some) thought arises.

Core to the Neoplatonic (and the Thomistic Catholic, I will add) idea is that all things participate in Being. We are participants in Being, and we can experience the Divine, even if we cannot intellectually define Being, just as a fish in water cannot even see the water to begin to define it.

I also deeply value the Catholic Apophatic tradition, the 'Negative Way.' (and Buddhist and Hindu traditions , if I am reading their texts correctly). By asserting that God is 'neti, neti' - or ‘not this, not that,’ or even Nothing at all - we avoid the trap of anthropomorphism and mythic literalism, and help make sure we don’t commit the error of turning a lesser being or a finite concept into an idol to rule over our lives.

While in this framework the something-something we call 'God' is the 'Ground of Being' , immanent/present in all things , the Catholic aophatic theology approach reminds us that 'God' is also 'wholly other,' meaning transcendent and beyond reach. This can be taken way too far into atheism, but it was originally meant to prevent your view from collapsing into simple polytheism and vitalism, and from having them dictate your life (not that bureaucratic factions in the Church don't also try to do this.).

You have to have a 'thing' that is the connective tissue from Infinite Consciousness ('God' or 'the gods') to us and the 3D world of hard matter. Moden magic ideas often does this by postualing even MORE matter - in the form of magical electricity or other fine woo-woo particulates that are somehow causative, which I think is a bit silly.

What the head of the Temple of Set, Michael Aquino, calls 'neteru' and 'Set,' and I call the 'Logos' (with much of the Stoic and Catholic aspects in place), the 'HGA', and 'Christ.'

The names are cultural expressions of similar, or even the same, core concept. I am sure Dr. Aquinio just as I do, thinks this " Human Faculty-X" is quite real at its own level (there are simlar myths in indengenous stories about human being somehow special in reality / Creation) - but I;m just piting out Dr. Aquino and I are simply t using different cultural and artistic ideas to express the same idea to our respective audince.

His audience : The Temple of Set membership and readers. Me: nobody in paticular.
 
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I've been trying to follow the examples of the Protestant Christian God and His Son Jesus Christ, but I find it hard to follow and pray when His words have been used to inspire hate and fear rather than love and strength.

I also find it hard to understand why most people think belief in the occult is wasted when the Bible clearly says that hidden powers exist.
 

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I've been trying to follow the examples of the Protestant Christian God and His Son Jesus Christ, but I find it hard to follow and pray when His words have been used to inspire hate and fear rather than love and strength.

I also find it hard to understand why most people think belief in the occult is wasted when the Bible clearly says that hidden powers exist.
I have a lot of respect and reverence for the Christian religion but the Protestants have really nailed themselves to a cross with Sola Scriptura. The entire basis of biblical literalism and the inerrant nature of a book that's origins are murky and has been translated and retranslated amongst hundreds of factions is unconsciously forcing a commitment to intellectual dishonesty that most well-adjusted modern people can not commit themselves to. Christianity's biggest problem at the moment is the mass hemorrhaging of Christians coming from the Protestants and Evangelicals as we progress in understanding of history, science, and the origins of Christianity. This creates massive problems for the faction that is worshiping a book over God and Christ. Most people who are on-fire for the faith in the protestant camp reach a certain point where they have to make a choice to willingly engage in intellectual dishonesty to protect their belief in an inerrant book as the core of their theology and this decision most people can not commit to, and the ones who are willing to do this are who end up in Protestant leadership - which is a massive issue as a person who is willing to commit intellectual dishonesty has moral and psychological issues, they are a person who is dishonest with themselves.

The Catholic and Orthodox perspectives on the Bible as divinely inspired but written by men who are flawed is really the only way you can interpret that book, and you also have to be trained in Philosophy, Biblical History/Archealogy (It's okay that the Gospel of Matthew wasn't written by Matthew himself, and the Five Books of Moses are Bronze Age rules for a Bronze Age society), Theology proper (not Protestant/Evangelical Theology which is just circular reasoning using bible quotes) and how to interpret mystical literature (it is speaking on a symbolic level). All these things need to be taken into account in order to understand that book and accept it as from God. So when the protestant/evangelical is faced with some of the atrocities in the Old Testament, or the historical facts about the New Testament's actual development, they are thrown into crises about the legitimacy of their Faith. If the Bible isn't literal, if there are ugly Bronze Age stories, then how am I to trust the validity of my Faith?

This creates a spiritual dissonance and destroys the persons relationship to God and Christ. And it is an absolute tragedy. The Protestants made a fatal mistake by taking on the doctrine of biblical literalism and Sola Scriptura and it has damaged their congregations irreparably. The manipulation of the Bible for control, fear, and hate is the only tool the dishonest leadership has to maintain their power and control over a group of people gifted with the faculty of reason. That is not to say the Catholics don't also have a history doing this, but this was during a time when they had political power, and political power uses these tactics as propaganda - they haven't had this type of control on an institutional level for centuries.

I say hold onto your faith and understanding of God through the framework gifted to you by circumstance, but do not let the words of men divorce you from the personal experience. God and Christ have nothing to do with the sick people manipulating that book.
 

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Simply a symbol of the totality of the psyche, that is the God we experience (however (a)theist we are).
If there is a divinity out there somewhere...how can we know?
 
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