I did an experiment with quantum physics and metaphysics and here's how it turned out

[magick&psionics]

some of this is from a book I'm writing about how quantum physics and sorcery and magic go hand in hand.

Look for the (HEY OVER HERE) if you wish not to read these segments from the book I'm writing. All in "quotations" if from my book

"In the study of quantum physics Thomas young had conduct an experiment demonstrating the wave nature of light, through an interference patterns. During the experiment they shined light through a single slit and the light wave/particles showed up as a single constructive interference." There were also two deconstructive or destructive patterns on each side of the constructive light pattern.

"Something strange happened during the double slit part of the experiment. When they shined light through the double slit, a different interference pattern occured. The light stopped behaving like particles and started to behave like waves with many constructive interference patterns" sorry I veared off in the book but lemme pick up where I left off with that.

"Now something weird happens when they redo the double slit experiment, this time with observation of the light particles. When they observed the light passing through the double slit, suddenly the light passing through the double slit stopped behaving like waves and went back to behaving like particles and the wave interference pattern became a particle interference pattern with only two light bands (constructive interference patterns)"

"It is possible that their observation and wonder as to how those particles go to waves and back to particles was mistaken as intent which caused the particles to go from wave behavior back to particle. Which suggests that conscious intent and observation has the power to change to occur in the microcosm, which suggests the act of magic, sympathetic magic witchcraft, and sorcery is real, and that if we as a collective change our mind set we can change our world(for the better I hope...)"

So basically we know that observation of waves and particles can change the behavior of particles and waves.

HEY OVER HERE(this is for if you decided to skip the entries from a book I'm writing.

There's a phenomena in quantum physics known as quantum foam. Quantum foam is how particles of matter and anti matter go hand in hand basically playing peekaboo with each other, borrowing energy from the cosmic bank and returning it before it's even noticed, all of that is going on all around us at a constant rate, basically popping in and out of existence forming and disappearing. Quantum foam can be observed in open spaces using technology, but how I did my experiment was at first trying to be able to observe the quantum foam in my room using my third eye. Before I continue further, I would like to say that love it self is not only an emotion but also a frequency as well as a state of consciousness.
Now to the experiment I'll even post in here how I did the experiment.

1. So first find a video of quantum foam measurement or how quantum foam is observed how scientist. You need a reference of what you're looking for
2. Two now with your minds eye try to detect it, and observe how it looks and how it behaves.
3. Now meditate on unconditional love, clear your mind of all thoughts and emotions except unconditional love. Embody it
4. Extend your arms and hands out to the quantum foam you're sensing and seeing with your third eye.
5. Give the quantum foam unconditional love. Due to the checks and balance of the universe we inhabit that same love will be brought back to you from the quantum foam and universe. Do this without intention of getting anything in return.
When I did this I got that unconditional love back in a matter of seconds which spooked me. I could feel my whole body going from heavy to light and I felt a cool almost breeze like energy all over me. In all honesty I didn't even think it would work. But it worked

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The practice of spiritual atom is a very deep and real thing, And it should be respected

 

[jkeller293]

Have you tried the same experiment with unconditional hatred? I know that sounds like a crazy experiment to do, but i was wondering if something similar would happen. Let me know when your book is done, sounds interesting.

Post automatically merged: Mar 31, 2025

some of this is from a book I'm writing about how quantum physics and sorcery and magic go hand in hand.

Look for the (HEY OVER HERE) if you wish not to read these segments from the book I'm writing. All in "quotations" if from my book

"In the study of quantum physics Thomas young had conduct an experiment demonstrating the wave nature of light, through an interference patterns. During the experiment they shined light through a single slit and the light wave/particles showed up as a single constructive interference." There were also two deconstructive or destructive patterns on each side of the constructive light pattern.

"Something strange happened during the double slit part of the experiment. When they shined light through the double slit, a different interference pattern occured. The light stopped behaving like particles and started to behave like waves with many constructive interference patterns" sorry I veared off in the book but lemme pick up where I left off with that.

"Now something weird happens when they redo the double slit experiment, this time with observation of the light particles. When they observed the light passing through the double slit, suddenly the light passing through the double slit stopped behaving like waves and went back to behaving like particles and the wave interference pattern became a particle interference pattern with only two light bands (constructive interference patterns)"

"It is possible that their observation and wonder as to how those particles go to waves and back to particles was mistaken as intent which caused the particles to go from wave behavior back to particle. Which suggests that conscious intent and observation has the power to change to occur in the microcosm, which suggests the act of magic, sympathetic magic witchcraft, and sorcery is real, and that if we as a collective change our mind set we can change our world(for the better I hope...)"

So basically we know that observation of waves and particles can change the behavior of particles and waves.

HEY OVER HERE(this is for if you decided to skip the entries from a book I'm writing.

There's a phenomena in quantum physics known as quantum foam. Quantum foam is how particles of matter and anti matter go hand in hand basically playing peekaboo with each other, borrowing energy from the cosmic bank and returning it before it's even noticed, all of that is going on all around us at a constant rate, basically popping in and out of existence forming and disappearing. Quantum foam can be observed in open spaces using technology, but how I did my experiment was at first trying to be able to observe the quantum foam in my room using my third eye. Before I continue further, I would like to say that love it self is not only an emotion but also a frequency as well as a state of consciousness.
Now to the experiment I'll even post in here how I did the experiment.

1. So first find a video of quantum foam measurement or how quantum foam is observed how scientist. You need a reference of what you're looking for
2. Two now with your minds eye try to detect it, and observe how it looks and how it behaves.
3. Now meditate on unconditional love, clear your mind of all thoughts and emotions except unconditional love. Embody it
4. Extend your arms and hands out to the quantum foam you're sensing and seeing with your third eye.
5. Give the quantum foam unconditional love. Due to the checks and balance of the universe we inhabit that same love will be brought back to you from the quantum foam and universe. Do this without intention of getting anything in return.
When I did this I got that unconditional love back in a matter of seconds which spooked me. I could feel my whole body going from heavy to light and I felt a cool almost breeze like energy all over me. In all honesty I didn't even think it would work. But it worked

Post automatically merged: Mar 25, 2025

The practice of spiritual atom is a very deep and real thing, And it should be respected

Im also curious to what your grounding perspective is with life. Reason is because i want to better grasp how you are viewing these things. And i would like to ask if you think this would have a significant impact on your experiment if you were to put on a different grounding perspective in the same experiment you are running.

 

[magick&psionics]

I thought about it. But I know if am evil can cause damage then so will unbridled hatred. So Ive decided Id not because last thing I need is the microcosm and macrocosm pissed at me. My grounding perspective. I see life as an opportunity for learning and growth. Gain as much fucking knowledge and wisdom as you can before you die. Live. Live. Thats my grounding perspective. Now how it would an impact on my experiment. Let's see I know hermetic wisdom walks a hand in hand with science. So I know what I give is what I get. However. What if reality is subjective to the point where is we are able to focus down to the atom. We can alter that atom. That's alchemy

 

[jkeller293]

If it is subjective the goal would be to figure out what produces objectivity through that subjectivity.

Under a dualistic perspective:
I like to divide the world into 2 parts which i define as the subjective awareness (mind, the I — the visual, auditory, emotional, and kinesthetic perspective of I in your body as we speak) and the objective reality.

Under this model of mine my hypothesis is that the awareness is subjucated by the reality completely relying on it to function.

 

[HoldAll]

As far as I know, the observer effect in the double-slit experiment has got nothing to do with the observer's consciousness or intent and arises merely as a result of the measuring instruments or detectors employed. Elucidating the double-slit experiment and how it doesn't pertain to magic at all is @Robert Ramsay's bailiwick but he's complained several times now that he's sick and tired of explaining it to all the non-scientists here.

My own opinion is that using quantum mechanics to explain magical phenomena is yet another attempt to impose an orderly systematic structure on something that is intrinsically unruly, capricious and largely unpredictable (ok, at my skill level), which is the result of a certain type of thinking that can't stand any kind of uncertainty and therefore proposes all sorts of 'laws' which the metaphysical universe simply has to obey (looking at you, hermetics), or else. In all this, the secret hope of course is that we will be able to 'prove' scientifically one day that magic is real; that day might not come any time soon, so in the meantime we will have to live with our own fuzzy, blurry models of how magic works, and the romantic in me doesn't mind in the least. As far as I'm concerned, we're still making it up as we go along.

There have been other attempts to explain magic by means of physics and mathematical equations. I remember watching an interview with S. Connolly in which she mentioned 'M-theory' and 'Hilbert spaces' but appeared to be as mystified as me as to what these concepts entail.

By the way, we have two books in the Library, "Quantum Magick" by Merlin Starlight and "Quantum Sorcery" by David Smith which you might find inspiring.

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On the other hand... Einstein's 'spooky action at a distance'? 'Spooky' should be right up our street.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

As far as I know, the observer effect in the double-slit experiment has got nothing to do with the observer's consciousness or intent and arises merely as a result of the measuring instruments or detectors employed. Elucidating the double-slit experiment and how it doesn't pertain to magic at all is @Robert Ramsay's bailiwick but he's complained several times now that he's sick and tired of explaining it to all the non-scientists here.

IIRC, people got sick and tired of me explaining it

In my opinion, the double-slit experiment DOES throw some light on the nature of consciousness - but not in the way that everyone usually goes on about. What it shows (IMO) is that when we see the wave, we are seeing the interference between different timelines. When we see the particle, we have taken steps to eliminate that interference, because we, as humans, can only experience a single timeline at any given moment. What is normally referred to as 'the collapse of the wave function' is what happens when you end up in a particular timeline with respect to the experiment. At the classical scale, we experience timeline-to-timeline at unimaginable speed, so, just like a movie made of still frames, we perceive it as a single smooth experience.

My own opinion is that using quantum mechanics to explain magical phenomena is yet another attempt to impose an orderly systematic structure on something that is intrinsically unruly, capricious and largely unpredictable (ok, at my skill level), which is the result of a certain type of thinking that can't stand any kind of uncertainty and therefore proposes all sorts of 'laws' which the metaphysical universe simply has to obey (looking at you, hermetics), or else. In all this, the secret hope of course is that we will be able to 'prove' scientifically one day that magic is real; that day might not come any time soon, so in the meantime we will have to live with our own fuzzy, blurry models of how magic works, and the romantic in me doesn't mind in the least. As far as I'm concerned, we're still making it up as we go along.

Aside from Peter Carroll (and myself ), I have never seen a single book on magic and science where the contents could ever, by any stretch of the imagination, be called an explanation.
There is already more than enough data over more than a hundred years showing psi phenomena to be real, but there is no coherent theory. And this is even before considering how opposed almost all the scientific community are to even the idea that it might be real.
Still, we should remember that before Einstein explained Brownian motion, large numbers of legitimate scientists did not believe in atoms, so there's still hope

There have been other attempts to explain magic by means of physics and mathematical equations. I remember watching an interview with S. Connolly in which she mentioned 'M-theory' and 'Hilbert spaces' but appeared to be as mystified as me as to what these concepts entail.

Hilbert space is a nifty mathematical tool enabling you to reduce a lot of quantum mechanics problems to geometry. As for M-theory, even the enormous brain who invented it seems reluctant to even tell people what the 'M' stands for
I don't think I need to watch the interview to know that this will basically be nonsense.

On the other hand... Einstein's 'spooky action at a distance'? 'Spooky' should be right up our street.

The spooky part of entanglement is just 'looking at it wrong'.

You create two particles from a single particle (usuallly by giving it energy). Because of this, the two particles are 'entangled'. Whereas one aspect of two separate particles could be
A=1, B=1
A=1, B=-1
A=-1, B=1
A=-1, B=-1
the entangled particles only allow
A=1, B=1
A=-1, B=-1
so with entangled particles, finding some information about one will always give you some information about the other one.

Where the spooky bit comes in is that according to the usual 'spooky' explanation, the two particles don't have definite values before measuring, so when you measure one, the other one, no matter how far away, 'suddenly' takes on a value, implying that the first particle 'told' it what value to take, possibly faster than light.
IMO, you have two sets of timelines, one where A=1, B=1 and a second where A=-1, B=-1. When you measure A, you end up in one of those two sets of timelines. No faster than light messaging has occurred; B takes the 'correct' value with respect to A because that is the limitation that entanglement puts on two entangled particles.

Post automatically merged: Mar 31, 2025

IIRC, people got sick and tired of me explaining it

In my opinion, the double-slit experiment DOES throw some light on the nature of consciousness - but not in the way that everyone usually goes on about. What it shows (IMO) is that when we see the wave, we are seeing the interference between different timelines. When we see the particle, we have taken steps to eliminate that interference, because we, as humans, can only experience a single timeline at any given moment. What is normally referred to as 'the collapse of the wave function' is what happens when you end up in a particular timeline with respect to the experiment. At the classical scale, we experience timeline-to-timeline at unimaginable speed, so, just like a movie made of still frames, we perceive it as a single smooth experience.

Aside from Peter Carroll (and myself ), I have never seen a single book on magic and science where the contents could ever, by any stretch of the imagination, be called an explanation.
There is already more than enough data over more than a hundred years showing psi phenomena to be real, but there is no coherent theory. And this is even before considering how opposed almost all the scientific community are to even the idea that it might be real.
Still, we should remember that before Einstein explained Brownian motion, large numbers of legitimate scientists did not believe in atoms, so there's still hope

Hilbert space is a nifty mathematical tool enabling you to reduce a lot of quantum mechanics problems to geometry. As for M-theory, even the enormous brain who invented it seems reluctant to even tell people what the 'M' stands for
I don't think I need to watch the interview to know that this will basically be nonsense.

The spooky part of entanglement is just 'looking at it wrong'.

You create two particles from a single particle (usuallly by giving it energy). Because of this, the two particles are 'entangled'. Whereas one aspect of two separate particles could be
A=1, B=1
A=1, B=-1
A=-1, B=1
A=-1, B=-1
the entangled particles only allow
A=1, B=1
A=-1, B=-1
so with entangled particles, finding some information about one will always give you some information about the other one.

Where the spooky bit comes in is that according to the usual 'spooky' explanation, the two particles don't have definite values before measuring, so when you measure one, the other one, no matter how far away, 'suddenly' takes on a value, implying that the first particle 'told' it what value to take, possibly faster than light.
IMO, you have two sets of timelines, one where A=1, B=1 and a second where A=-1, B=-1. When you measure A, you end up in one of those two sets of timelines. No faster than light messaging has occurred; B takes the 'correct' value with respect to A because that is the limitation that entanglement puts on two entangled particles.

Just to add, before you measure, those two sets of timelines are in interference, just like in the two slit experiment. 'Measuring' is entangling yourself with the particle until the interference disappears, like a drop of blood dissolving in the ocean.

 

[jkeller293]

As far as I know, the observer effect in the double-slit experiment has got nothing to do with the observer's consciousness or intent and arises merely as a result of the measuring instruments or detectors employed. Elucidating the double-slit experiment and how it doesn't pertain to magic at all is @Robert Ramsay's bailiwick but he's complained several times now that he's sick and tired of explaining it to all the non-scientists here.

My own opinion is that using quantum mechanics to explain magical phenomena is yet another attempt to impose an orderly systematic structure on something that is intrinsically unruly, capricious and largely unpredictable (ok, at my skill level), which is the result of a certain type of thinking that can't stand any kind of uncertainty and therefore proposes all sorts of 'laws' which the metaphysical universe simply has to obey (looking at you, hermetics), or else. In all this, the secret hope of course is that we will be able to 'prove' scientifically one day that magic is real; that day might not come any time soon, so in the meantime we will have to live with our own fuzzy, blurry models of how magic works, and the romantic in me doesn't mind in the least. As far as I'm concerned, we're still making it up as we go along.

There have been other attempts to explain magic by means of physics and mathematical equations. I remember watching an interview with S. Connolly in which she mentioned 'M-theory' and 'Hilbert spaces' but appeared to be as mystified as me as to what these concepts entail.

By the way, we have two books in the Library, "Quantum Magick" by Merlin Starlight and "Quantum Sorcery" by David Smith which you might find inspiring.

Post automatically merged: Mar 31, 2025

On the other hand... Einstein's 'spooky action at a distance'? 'Spooky' should be right up our street.

I believe it would be impossible to prove magic is real unless we were to come to a consensus of perspective first. For example, the "mind-body problem" presents this issue.

 

[Xenophon]

I believe it would be impossible to prove magic is real unless we were to come to a consensus of perspective first. For example, the "mind-body problem" presents this issue.

Not a whole lot of consensus there either, is there? That problem is one of a number of mental dives promising minds get enticed into. One of number of blind alleys Western philosophy got led down, effectively sapping the intellectual vigor of the intervening several centuries.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

I believe it would be impossible to prove magic is real unless we were to come to a consensus of perspective first. For example, the "mind-body problem" presents this issue.

The mind-body problem is IMO not actually a problem. The problem arises (as usual) from the assumptions we make. The mind-body problem arises because people are still basically in love with dualism. Also , there is a common thread in Western philosophy of "I can't imagine how this might actually work, so instead I'm going to come up with some half-assed thought experiment and twist myself in knots trying to justify it."
As @Xenophon says "one of a number of blind alleys". See also A and B time, compatibilism, the P-Zombie etc.

 

[Xenophon]

The mind-body problem is IMO not actually a problem. The problem arises (as usual) from the assumptions we make. The mind-body problem arises because people are still basically in love with dualism. Also , there is a common thread in Western philosophy of "I can't imagine how this might actually work, so instead I'm going to come up with some half-assed thought experiment and twist myself in knots trying to justify it."
As @Xenophon says "one of a number of blind alleys". See also A and B time, compatibilism, the P-Zombie etc.

Exactly. I don't recall whether Kant actually included it in his "Antinomies of Pure Reason," but he should have. We start out defining two alleged aspects to reality so they cannot have anything to do with each other, THEN torture ourselves trying to make one influence the other. I recall my undergrad class on "Modern Philosophy" (Descartes through Kant). The pedegogical method employed to make the few recalcitrant students "see" the problem was mostly browbeating.