I feel that the middle pillar is useless

[Mashreqi]

What is your opinion about the middle pillar
When I do it I don't feel any change
What replacement ritual do you suggest

 

[Yazata]

Try opening your planetary centers (chakras etc) in the Kabalistic Cross during LBRP as you rise and pass through the planetary "layers" that surround Earth: first the Lunar / Yesod until all are in their respective zone) then give it another go.
Or maybe this if you want to use it as a cleansing / banishing:

https://wizardforums.com/threads/enochian-expulsion.11071/

 

[St. Stephen]

What is your opinion about the middle pillar
When I do it I don't feel any change
What replacement ritual do you suggest

Well how many times have you actually done it?

 

[Feywer]

When I was much more "energetically spry" and doing intense daily practices I would perform the MP ritual often. I found it worked so well, in fact, that it made things almost too energetic and charged. In my experience, it worked well and I found it useful.

 

[Rahu]

What is your opinion about the middle pillar
When I do it I don't feel any change
What replacement ritual do you suggest

Hi, how long have you been practicing the MP? And how do you practice it, is it in a sequence of exercises or just on its own. How is your focus, and how many time do you vibrate the godnames? All these elements will influence the results you get.

 

[Beyond Everything]

I have performed the MP many, many times. I even combined it with Neo-Reichian practices, which was Regardie's secret sauce. While I would feel an abundance of energy, I eventually came to the conclusion that it wasn't the transformative practice it was advertised to be. What iis actually occuring when it is performed is the bringing in of collectivist energies. Between that and tapping one's Inner Self without the mediation (really, interference) of these collective, egregoric energies there is no comparison whatsoever. Occultists are lemmings with no discernment, so they are oblivious to this distinction.

 

[Aeternus]

I have performed the MP many, many times. I even combined it with Neo-Reichian practices, which was Regardie's secret sauce. While I would feel an abundance of energy, I eventually came to the conclusion that it wasn't the transformative practice it was advertised to be. What iis actually occuring when it is performed is the bringing in of collectivist energies. Between that and tapping one's Inner Self without the mediation (really, interference) of these collective, egregoric energies there is no comparison whatsoever. Occultists are lemmings with no discernment, so they are oblivious to this distinction.

You are entitled to your own opinion but, LBRP is really transformative. I have done it, quite often and it is really useful.

By the way, occultists are not "lemmings with no discernment". Rather, those "lemmings with no discernment" will tell you: There is always the illusion of having the absolute truth.

 

[Beyond Everything]

You are entitled to your own opinion but, LBRP is really transformative.

The topic was the middle pillar. That said, if we examine Mathers- the person who created the LBRP- we see a mess that toiled in lifelong poverty and was so psychologically askew he couldn't even consumate his marriage. The pathetic internecine squabbles of the Golden Dawn- from the original temple to the factional 'wars' of the 90s should also be examined.

I'm sure the LBRP changed you. However higher 'transformation' in an esoteric sense is not forthcoming or in evidence with these practices. 10,000s or more of dutiful practitioners over the years of these rituals and how many achieved Liberation?

 

[Firetree]

You are entitled to your own opinion but, LBRP is really transformative. I have done it, quite often and it is really useful.

By the way, occultists are not "lemmings with no discernment". Rather, those "lemmings with no discernment" will tell you: There is always the illusion of having the absolute truth.

I agree . I found it helpful . Also , its not clear what 'beyond everything' claims was what the ' practice was advertised to be '.

Its rather telling if someone labels every person in wide collective as the same .

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The topic was the middle pillar. That said, if we examine Mathers- the person who created the LBRP- we see a mess that toiled in lifelong poverty and was so psychologically askew he couldn't even consumate his marriage. The pathetic internecine squabbles of the Golden Dawn- from the original temple to the factional 'wars' of the 90s should also be examined.

'ad hominem ' - you often resort to that ; attempting to discredit a person instead of focusing on the content of their work and the use of it and the opinion of it of the many that tried it.

I'm sure the LBRP changed you. However higher 'transformation' in an esoteric sense is not forthcoming or in evidence with these practices.

So now you admit it can change someone ... but not enough . Not just transformation but 'higher transformation' - undefined .

10,000s or more of dutiful practitioners over the years of these rituals and how many achieved Liberation?

How did you get the idea that you could 'attain liberation' from either the MP or LRP rituals ? And what a strange question ; how would anyone know the answer to that ? I suppose you think it would count if someone made a youtube declaring it so Or do you want the Dali lama to declare ; '' Oh yeah, I also did Middle Pillar meditation '' and then levitate off into the 'beyond' - maybe he will see you up there .... above and beyond him ?