I feel that the middle pillar is useless

[Mashreqi]

What is your opinion about the middle pillar
When I do it I don't feel any change
What replacement ritual do you suggest

 

[ewiz]

We better pack it up boys, our 100+ years of combined practice and experience is no match for this guy. He's literally beyond everything. Everything, including the ability to back up his arguments, admit when he is full of shit, or give his ego a break for one second to consider anything he hasn't already predetermined.

 

[Faria]

I mean you said 'several'. So that is approximately 6 at most. So it's not 'never', but it's sure close to it.

Or less! But real, all the same.

Whereas I couldn't even begin to count the number I have had starting from early childhood.

Well good for you, maybe astrally project over to the nearest library and get yourself a thesaurus so you can figure out how to say transmutation without sounding pretentious.

Or, as I much prefer to do with people who claim to be flying all around in their astral bodies... come on over. I'd be happy to prove that you do not, cannot, and therefore will not OBE over to here and obtain the slightest bit of private information about my home or anything else you deem a worthy target. Or if you can't do that, then I'm sure whatever you supposedly can do is similarly non-useful and unable do much more than transmute your spare time into daydreaming. So maybe I do know a bit eh? Prove me wrong.

 

[Aeternus]

I didn't state Regardie was poor. He was not, he had a thriving therapy practice. I stated Mathers was poor, which he was.

Levi's practice of magic was in fact limited. He was more a theoretician than anything else.


I haven't made any demands of anyone here for special treatment. Perhaps you don't know what 'self-entitlement' means.


This is empty babble.

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lol what kind of idiotic question is this? There is no 'lord', that's primitive superstition for people manipulated by conditioning and egregores.


Where did I say otherwise? Regardie stated the origin of the Middle Pillar was with Felkin. Regardie added the vocalization of godnames and the circulation of light (inspired by the Secret of the Golden Flower, although a really paltry imitation)



Why should anyone care about your belief when people who knew him say the exact opposite?


You're just making shit up. He refused to teach most of the people who came to learn magic from him, he was extremely selective. His money came from his successful therapy practice, not from fees paid by cultists. You keep stating he didnt practice the rituals, when every bit of information out there (and communicated to me personally) by people who knew him says the opposite.



lol You're a great magician? Your intuition is so shitty you keep insisting people here are things they aren't. You've done this multiple times with me.

I see self-entitlement right in front of me. You dismissed everything I said about occultists as "empty babble", you clearly dismissed the experiences of others as "doing Golden Dawn garbage", etc. You don't have to explicitly ask for "special treatment". Your attitude shows that begging of special attitude very clearly. You think all should bow down to you, "Almighty Beyond Everything", when all you have done is spewing a lot of venom and nonsense towards other occult practicioners.

Arrogance, or the Greek Hubris, is what led many empires to their downfall, and in modern times, it is what leads individuals to do the most stupidest of things. Are you aware of how much this hubris really erodes you and not only that; it also erodes the concept of a peaceful community space? So far, I haven't seen a thread that you shared your message in, as of late, that wasn't derailed due to your ego being hurt and spewing a lot of venom and zero-to-null value arguments which only sparked the arguing further.

Having a condescending attitude won't get you far in life, and it has already proven so here. You could have obtained a lot by opening yourself to new perspectives or, if that seems exaggerated to you, at least you could have opened your mind to take a listen to everyone else's experiences, which, statistically put, contrast 99% if put to comparison with your 1% useless vitriol of saying that the Middle Pillar and LBRP are garbage.

Furthermore, you clearly need to know that you need to actually start providing context and not giving out quotes, examples of Books etc that you probably and (allegedly) didn't even bother to read and then being shamefully (but rightfully at the same time) transformed into the clown that had another ego trip. This is both useful online and spiritually speaking, since the capacity to discern is a virtue for occultists, even those of the highest caliber; they still exchange opinions, Ennochian conferences are still formed and multiple examples can be given [e.g.: Dr. Stephen Skinner, Frater Ashen Chassan, Lon Milo DuQuette and so on and so forth].

I suggest you start working on the LBRP to obtain the necessary spiritual opening and cleaning... that is... if you dare to step out of the abysmal facade of supreme-being which can be determined easily that you aren't.

 

[Firetree]

We better pack it up boys, our 100+ years of combined practice and experience is no match for this guy. He's literally beyond everything. Everything, including the ability to back up his arguments, admit when he is full of shit, or give his ego a break for one second to consider anything he hasn't already predetermined.

.... sounds like classic NPD .

 

[Beyond Everything]

Same ole story- those under the sway of egregores react badly when they are informed of said influence. There's really no 'polite' way to tell someone this, so I choose to be blunt. Nor can you really cushion the idea that theyve wasted years in a garbage system (ie, the GD) that doesn't lead to the highest human esoteric potential.

 

[ewiz]

Same ole story- those under the sway of egregores react badly when they are informed of said influence. There's really no 'polite' way to tell someone this, so I choose to be blunt. Nor can you really cushion the idea that theyve wasted years in a garbage system (ie, the GD) that doesn't lead to the highest human esoteric potential.

Buddy shut the fuck up

You're literally the same ole story that I've seen in occult communities like this for decades. Nobody here is under the sway of anything except for you and your ego. You've spent all day saying literally nothing of value. Congratulations.

 

[Firetree]

Same ole story- those under the sway of egregores react badly when they are informed of said influence. There's really no 'polite' way to tell someone this, so I choose to be blunt. Nor can you really cushion the idea that theyve wasted years in a garbage system (ie, the GD) that doesn't lead to the highest human esoteric potential.

The record is jumping again .

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Buddy shut the fuck up

You're literally the same ole story that I've seen in occult communities like this for decades. Nobody here is under the sway of anything except for you and your ego. You've spent all day saying literally nothing of value. Congratulations.

Not really ... 'cause ;

''I showed them a thing or two ! '' ( that's how 'they' roll )

 

[WonderFire]

Both MP and its various offshoots and variants are OK, but TBH kinda lacking because putting a single sphere on feet is dumb. It ensures that you'll only do the exercise sitting or standing and not moving. Regardie should have placed the whole pillar in the torso and the head.

 

[Kepler]

What is your opinion about the middle pillar
When I do it I don't feel any change

That's it's based on a outdated model of reality.
It requires established skills in meditation and visualization. Cosmological understanding for reference to be effective.

What replacement ritual do you suggest

There isn't currently a published ritual to suggest.
There was an outline for one I posted elsewhere that could be considered a replacement for it. As the ritual was partly inspired by the Malkuth to Kether visualization connecting Earth to the edge of the universe then circulating the cosmos.

In summary, it starts by anchoring in the Observer, the emergent center. Then expanding to the Earth and its rotation, then Earth's orbit around Sun/solar system, the Solar system around Sgr A*, Milky Way to Virgocentric flow/Virgo Cluster, Laniakea Supercluster to the Great Attractor, then the Shapely and Vela superclusters to cosmic background radiation as the cosmic horizon. Included is the star Earendel, but that is for reference to the cosmic dawn. It's also revisable as understanding of the physical cosmos changes.
This is organized to work through an immanent hylozoic hyperdimensional understanding that applies to this brane. To align with the momentum of the cosmos.