Is it true that some spirits will only pretend to help you

[alanford]

I read on VK Jehannums blog and also seen this on many forums that even adept practitioners can get easy fooled thinking a deity is helping them (for example a certain demon) but would actually attach to them and gradually take their energy overtime in the worst case scenario. How would one find out about this if even an adept cant notice and does it hinder spiritual progress by a lot? I am paranoid thinking about this lately as someone who doesnt yet have strong psychic senses since I have done (not that many) but a fair amount of rituals/evocations/invocations without thinking too much about this possibility(and there is always a chance of an egregore too). I read about banishments but that feels disrespectful, especially when I have no clue if I need to and I dont know what to "banish". What are your thoughts?

 

[8Lou1]

you can fall from the stairs too. do you want to remove all the stairs from your life? no. didnt think so. every now and then every body gets hit with fear. its the only thing you need to banish. do some work up on self love and self care and smile. the universe will smile back.

by the way: that blog isnt really a beginners site. it might be why you suddenly found fear.

 

[MinaCee]

I see it as you would any person in the waking life. You attach yourself to someone, or someone appears one way, but acts another. Or simply, the fact people tend to use you for something, and causing abandonment. Or the other extreme is obsessive, you start to believe and give away your power over to someone else to please to not have that happen.

If you don't have a little fear, you are not living.

One is the purest instrument of Ones own destiny and power. One may adapt and learn from a deity or demon alike but, it is the ones who become obsessive and or hand over surrendering their power and self. ...And, it is then One can get stuck in a spiritual and mental spiral, when that deity, person, or demon leave or 'lie'. They see weakness, just like powerful people do in the waking.

Hope that makes a little sense.

 

[Mannimarco]

I read on VK Jehannums blog and also seen this on many forums that even adept practitioners can get easy fooled thinking a deity is helping them (for example a certain demon) but would actually attach to them and gradually take their energy overtime in the worst case scenario. How would one find out about this if even an adept cant notice and does it hinder spiritual progress by a lot? I am paranoid thinking about this lately as someone who doesnt yet have strong psychic senses since I have done (not that many) but a fair amount of rituals/evocations/invocations without thinking too much about this possibility(and there is always a chance of an egregore too). I read about banishments but that feels disrespectful, especially when I have no clue if I need to and I dont know what to "banish". What are your thoughts?

Yes it is true, and yes it can hinder spiritual progress by a lot. You might get lucky and have good experiences with helpful spirits while at a beginner level, or you might not. I'd suggest working on meditation, energy manipulation, grounding/centering/cleansing/shielding, and developing your third eye/psychic abilities before working with spirits. Alternatively, if you have money to spend, and don't mind doing something different for a while before the usual western LHP stuff, initiatory Candali or Indonesian systems have a bunch of built in safeguards for beginners.

 

[alanford]

Yes it is true, and yes it can hinder spiritual progress by a lot. You might get lucky and have good experiences with helpful spirits while at a beginner level, or you might not. I'd suggest working on meditation, energy manipulation, grounding/centering/cleansing/shielding, and developing your third eye/psychic abilities before working with spirits. Alternatively, if you have money to spend, and don't mind doing something different for a while before the usual western LHP stuff, initiatory Candali or Indonesian systems have a bunch of built in safeguards for beginners.

Yes, now I purely focus on the basics like chakra work (does meditating on the third eye chakra include developing the third eye/psychic senses I am not sure), general meditating, grounding and lucid dream/astral practicing. I will look more into centering/cleansing/shielding as I dont do that but I find it hard to create new habits. Currently Im broke for candali or indonisian systems but maybe later.

 

[sherab]

initiatory Candali

What is initiatory Candali? I've heard of the Sanskrit term (the Tibetan correlate being tummo), but have not hear of anyone practice it openly.

 

[Rowena]

I read on VK Jehannums blog and also seen this on many forums that even adept practitioners can get easy fooled thinking a deity is helping them (for example a certain demon) but would actually attach to them and gradually take their energy overtime in the worst case scenario. How would one find out about this if even an adept cant notice and does it hinder spiritual progress by a lot? I am paranoid thinking about this lately as someone who doesnt yet have strong psychic senses since I have done (not that many) but a fair amount of rituals/evocations/invocations without thinking too much about this possibility(and there is always a chance of an egregore too). I read about banishments but that feels disrespectful, especially when I have no clue if I need to and I dont know what to "banish". What are your thoughts?

Spirits can have the same kind of range of personalities & motivations as people - some are supportive and helpful, some are parasitic low-lives, some are disinterested passers-by, some are opportunistic users etc..., your 'psychic' senses are irrelevant here - you just need sound judgement, 'spirits' do not and should not get a free pass on unacceptable behavior just because of their corporeal status.

 

[Pyrokar]

if even an adept cant notice and does it hinder spiritual progress by a lot?

the word adept, and similarly all the others along the chain, is stale and overused.
if the world had as many adepts as the internet does it would be a very large crowd.

what im saying is, like gangsta rappers some are out there living it and others are trying to convince you they are authentic.

I read about banishments but that feels disrespectful, especially when I have no clue if I need to and I dont know what to "banish". What are your thoughts?

always. everytime. this is the equivalent of washing your hands. It's almost 2025 and ninjas still don't do proper banishing bruh.

Is it true that some spirits will only pretend to help you?​

now this is a bit more nuanced, of course via accident and it goes layers deep but to keep it beginner friendly let's just say- yes,
though it does not have to be with evil or malevolent intent.

 

[pixel_fortune]

I would say that the vast vast majority of entities who don't want to help you will just ignore you

Think about when a beggar asks you for change, and you don't want to give it to them - you just keep walking right? Even people who really hate begging will usually just say some asshole comment, maybe kick their change-cup over, and keep walking.

It's not cause every entity is nice, it's just, they've got shit they'd rather be doing

 

[Ziran]

I read about banishments but that feels disrespectful, especially when I have no clue if I need to and I dont know what to "banish". What are your thoughts?

Regarding "respect" for the angels/demons: they are more like forces, and less like personalities. They need respect in the same way as gravity, electricity, tidal waves, etc... it isn't disrespectful to banish, just as it isn't disrespectful to put on a jacket when walking in a winter storm. The jacket is banishing the snow and wet from your skin. It has no bearing on whether or not the storm is being respected.

Regarding the malicious angel/demon, it sounds to me that the force itself is not malicious, it is misappropriated and misunderstood. The summoner called the wrong divinity, or made some other mistakes, but the summoner is blaming the divine instead of taking personal responsibility.

 

[Mannimarco]

What is initiatory Candali? I've heard of the Sanskrit term (the Tibetan correlate being tummo), but have not hear of anyone practice it openly.

I just meant that Candali or gtummo is given by empowerments from a master, which may be considered a kind of initiation. I don't know about it being a secret practice, my teacher doesn't seem to keep it very secret.

 

[Konsciencia]

I say, that you shouldn't give away your Powers to some Deity. I feel that we are as Powerful as they are. I just learn something about myself. And that is, that I am my own Divine Being. Even though, I am a spark of the Oneness.