Is the LBRP a Fire ritual?

[Yazata]

I think so.

The elemental qualities of the 5 points of the pentagram have their corresponding parts in the human body. Most will think that the left foot is Earth, and when you trace a banishing Earth pentagram you trace the line towards Spirit and away from your Earth.

I disagree with this. To me the left foot is Fire, and the banishing Earth pentagram is denying a thing / concept / idea / demon / unicorn (or whatever) that stands opposite of you to get its foot on the ground – to touch Earth. So you use your Fire to overrule its Earth.

Thus all four banishing Earth pentagrams in the LBRP are drawn from your Fire (left foot).

After the tracing of the pentagram you make the Sign of the Enterer. You do this by bringing your fists together with only the index fingers pointing forward, so that the sides of those fingertips touch and the sides of your thumbs touch each other as well. The open space through which you look toward the center of the pentagram is a vesica pisces. It is a representation of a vagina formed by two representations of erect penises touching each other. It is the portal through which life enters the world, and thus the reason why this is called the Sign of the Enterer.

It is why you step forward with your left foot when you make the Sign of the Enterer when you vibrate the God name and project your authority through the pentagram. Because entering is a “male” activity and you emphasize this by stepping forward with your Fire foot.

Because you banish the lower by invoking the higher, the fifth pentagram, when you are standing in the center of your circle again, is an invoking one.

The light coming from the center of the Universe enters your Spirit point and travels down to your right foot. It enters your Earth point.
From there it travels to your left hand Water, right hand Air, your left foot Fire and back to your Spirit point. Then it will continue to form the Unicursal Hexagram in your torso (which represents the 7 planets), ending in the center in your Sol.

I know others think of the left foot as earth. I wonder what the reasoning is and how it influences their idea of the LBRP.

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[Roma]

Does the LBRP actually banish? If it does, to where does it banish?

What if the LBRP is actually a process of the human claiming its spiritual authority and as a byproduct its energy field is cleared?

 

[Yazata]

a process of the human claiming its spiritual authority and as a byproduct its energy field is cleared?

Would you not say that is what banishing is? The circle / sphere is the extended energy field. That's why the calling of the 4 Archangels that stand at guard is called "invoking the Archangels" in this context.

 

[SkullTraill]

Does the LBRP actually banish? If it does, to where does it banish?

What if the LBRP is actually a process of the human claiming its spiritual authority and as a byproduct its energy field is cleared?

Would you not say that is what banishing is? The circle / sphere is the extended energy field. That's why the calling of the 4 Archangels that stand at guard is called "invoking the Archangels" in this context.

Someone's been playing a bit too much D&D

In some circles, particularly gaming, larping, fantasy roleplaying etc, banishing sometimes means to send someone into a different location/dimension.

But like Yaz says, in the general occult practice (at least serious occult practice) banishing is simply removing something unwanted from the immediate area. Even if you personally have a different opinion on what the true meaning of "banish" is, the ritual is literally called "Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram" so the use of the word "banish" is pertinent. No need to clog up this thread with a pointless and useless debate on the semantics of the word, you can create your own thread for that @Roma if you want.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Why do you claim the left foot is fire, because of a mirrored reflection of the man in the pentagram?

 

[Yazata]

Why do you claim the left foot is fire, because of a mirrored reflection of the man in the pentagram?

Because that's how I interpret it. Left foot fire and left hand water. I find that a logical way of looking at it.
I know a lot will see it differently, that's why I said I was curious about how it influences their view on the LBRP

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

It's odd that the LBRP became a thing, rather than a LRP, earth banishing.

 

[Hieronymus]

The placing of the Elements' symbols as in above drawing where they are superimposed on the Da Vinci man (not his assigning of Elemental symbols) can be traced to the Tree of Life, with the "barred" triangle / passive Elements (Earth and Air) belonging to the Pillar of Severity and the "open" triangle / active Elements belonging to the Pillar of Mercy. Your left side is in a lot of ways the passive, receptive, magnetic side ( if you're right handed, that is). The Elemental triangles are arranged in total opposites, the left (barred ones) aside the right (open) ones, and the open ones inverted at that.
On the entering of Spirit force: to me, it is a (The) building block of the Elements, and not sequentially entering your system - I do remember some martial arts systems though that tend to use the Elements in circulating chi through hands, feet and stocking it in the hara centres. But then they work with Wood, Water, Earth Fire and Metal, so that'd be very different. Interesting view though.

 

[Jarhyn]

So, question here, as relates "fire" as used in this context. There's something I use for "banishing" and it roughly translates with a lot of the "purification" properties ascribed to fire.

But it's not actually "fire". I mean I have a "fire" that I use to "conceptually dispose of thoughts" when my monkey mind is acting out sure, but this isn't that. This is more a... Well, it's static chaos, like what you'd see on a color screen late at night, fresh off the CMWBR field (Google it, it's fun!), And it's arrayed such that I generally plug it into a response when some thought system just isn't outputting good results and needs a thorough "reset".

One "fire" banishes the immediate symptoms of having a thought, the other banishes the thing that produces the thought from existence over time? Not entirely sure.

Oh what I would give for a brain scanner while I do some of this stuff...

Which fire do you mean?

 

[Yazata]

So, question here, as relates "fire" as used in this context. There's something I use for "banishing" and it roughly translates with a lot of the "purification" properties ascribed to fire.

But it's not actually "fire". I mean I have a "fire" that I use to "conceptually dispose of thoughts" when my monkey mind is acting out sure, but this isn't that. This is more a... Well, it's static chaos, like what you'd see on a color screen late at night, fresh off the CMWBR field (Google it, it's fun!), And it's arrayed such that I generally plug it into a response when some thought system just isn't outputting good results and needs a thorough "reset".

One "fire" banishes the immediate symptoms of having a thought, the other banishes the thing that produces the thought from existence over time? Not entirely sure.

Oh what I would give for a brain scanner while I do some of this stuff...

Which fire do you mean?

If you were in the dark and an animal was encircling you it could make you fearful or produce thoughts in you.
A fire would keep that animal at a distance.
If you then with new confidence take a torch from the fire and hunt the animal, and if you catch it burn it with the fire:
Are the fire that drives out the fear and the fire that destroy the thing that produces the fear different or are you giving different names to different properties of the same thing?

 

[stratamaster78]

For me and how I interpret it, the standard LBRP is an 'Earth' Banishing Ritual.

When you use the Banishing form the Starting point at your Left Hip is representing 'Earth'.

You Push Off and Upwards in a Clockwise motion From Earth to Spirit and ending back at your Left Hip to remove the Unbalanced Influence of the Elements from your Space.

When you use the Invoking form you are Pulling Down from the Spirit at the Top to Earth at your Left Hip and ending back at Spirit to Invoke a Balanced Influence of the Elements into your Space.

To work with Fire specifically you would use a Ritual that Banishes or Invokes Fire by using the Fire Pentagram that starts at you right hip.

You Push Off and Upwards in a Counter Clockwise direction from Fire to Spirit to Banish Fire if you feel you are too influenced by that Element.

You Pull Down from Spirit to Fire in a Clockwise direction at your Right hip to Invoke Fire if you feel you are lacking in that Element or even want to Path Work with Fire's specific Energies and Entities.

None of that is revelatory I realize but just wanted to fully explain it. If you are placing the Pentagram over the body it's from the point of view that your Back would be seen in a picture like the above one.

 

[Yazata]

Is there any relevance in the left foot stepping forward in the sign of the enterer in your opinion?

 

[stratamaster78]

Is there any relevance in the left foot stepping forward in the sign of the enterer in your opinion?

I don't personally think it matters except in the Initiate/Neophyte stages.

But I've seen some explain it as the Practitioners Left Foot is Fire and or Male Energy....but whatever energies are Facing you during the ritual have their Right Foot (Earth) opposite your Left Foot (Fire) which is why you Start at your Left Hip/Foot during the Tracing of the Earth Banishing Pentagram.

For me I think once someone learns the Basics and then Masters them then the finite specifics become less relevant.

I've experimented with switching feet and hands for the Sign of the Enterer and the Sigh of Silence in various combos.

Now I use the Left Foot for Entering and the Right Hand for Silence because that just feels right for me. Probably because I use the Sword Mudra instead of an Actual Wand most of the time and I'm right handed and it's seems more fluid that way.

All of the Motions and Theatrics are just Tools one uses to get in the right Mind Set to Put your Will into Motion. I would say once someone understands the Main Point of the Rituals to then do what 'Feels Right' with regards to the Signs.

 

[stratamaster78]

I don't personally think it matters except in the Initiate/Neophyte stages.

Edit to Above:

Meant to say Probationer/Neophyte Stages

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Why are we assuming fire is the most powerful element?
Look at water, it cuts, it moves, it pushes, it's drowned the world a time or two.

 

[stratamaster78]

Why are we assuming fire is the most powerful element?
Look at water, it cuts, it moves, it pushes, it's drowned the world a time or two.

Speaking only for myself, I do not assume that Fire is any more powerful than the other Elements.

They each have their role to play and in relation to the LBRP what we are trying to do is Balance their affects and influences on us so that not any one Element is having too Strong or too Weak of an affect on us.

Earth = The Hard Physical, Tangible, and Material things and are reflected on the Material Plane of Assiah on the Tree of Life

Air= The Intellectual and Communication and is reflected on the Mental Plane of Yetzirah on the Tree of Life

Water= Emotions and Intuition and is reflected on the Emotional Plane of Briah on the Tree of Life

Fire= Drive, Force of Will, Instincts and is reflected on the Plane of Atziluth on the Tree of Life

I'm Astrologically an Air Sign (Gemini) which is Ruled by Mercury which also has Intellectual properties like Communication, Reasoning, Thinking Patterns etc etc..

So I naturally get a Double Whammy of an Element and Planet keeping me in my Head too much if I don't keep the Elements and Planetary influences in Balance with Pentagram and Hexagram Rituals.

So there is an example of Air not necessarily being 'Stronger' per say.... But it Influences me more than the other Elements if left unchecked.

I'm sure this type of thing is different for everyone depending on the circumstances of when you were born and the conditions in which you have lived.

 

[Jarhyn]

If you were in the dark and an animal was encircling you it could make you fearful or produce thoughts in you.
A fire would keep that animal at a distance.
If you then with new confidence take a torch from the fire and hunt the animal, and if you catch it burn it with the fire:
Are the fire that drives out the fear and the fire that destroy the thing that produces the fear different or are you giving different names to different properties of the same thing?

Well, it's functionally two different things. One is.. I assume you are familiar with /dev/null?

The flame is "/dev/null", the circular file: a destination for output from a neural stack.

The other is more "/dev/srand", something that produces disruption and chaotic patterns as the "training response" to the cluster in question.

They serve similar functions. I just know that /dev/null is more "the flame" and /dev/srand is more the weapon.

 

[Yazata]

Well, it's functionally two different things. One is.. I assume you are familiar with /dev/null?

The flame is "/dev/null", the circular file: a destination for output from a neural stack.

The other is more "/dev/srand", something that produces disruption and chaotic patterns as the "training response" to the cluster in question.

They serve similar functions. I just know that /dev/null is more "the flame" and /dev/srand is more the weapon.

I have no knowledge of programming and the comparison thus is meaningless to me. But if you believe they are different fires then I will allow you your opinion

 

[Jarhyn]

I have no knowledge of programming and the comparison thus is meaningless to me. But if you believe they are different fires then I will allow you your opinion

Hmm... So, it's less about programming and more about systems infrastructure.

One is an "in", as in "a place where you can throw things into it", like a hole or sucking void that you can throw stuff at and let it exit get "nullified" as if speaking in an anechoic chamber (/dev/null), and the other is an "output", a faucet that produces something, albeit chaotic.

It really helps to recognize that these are two very different things. Sure you can put the same "conceptual skin" on it, and see it in your minds eye as fire both times, but that doesn't make it "the same fire" any more than a shield and sword would be the same despite them both being "armaments".

 

[Yazata]

Hmm... So, it's less about programming and more about systems infrastructure.

One is an "in", as in "a place where you can throw things into it", like a hole or sucking void that you can throw stuff at and let it exit get "nullified" as if speaking in an anechoic chamber (/dev/null), and the other is an "output", a faucet that produces something, albeit chaotic.

It really helps to recognize that these are two very different things. Sure you can put the same "conceptual skin" on it, and see it in your minds eye as fire both times, but that doesn't make it "the same fire" any more than a shield and sword would be the same despite them both being "armaments".

So instead of five standard elements, how many do you propose?