Is This A Prison?

[Wintruz]

t's funny that my English teacher asked me today if I liked to bother people.

Well, @Wintruz I hope you haven't taken it personally.

I think you're confusing my response to @IllusiveOwl as a response to you. You're haven't bothered me in the least and there's nothing you have written that I would take in anything other than good spirits. I feel sorry that you're giving your time and energy to a false belief but that's your wheelhouse. Que Sara Sara. Good luck with where your path takes you.

I admit, you show a shockingly secular, materialistic view. You genuinely think this is it? This small physical life is all, then you vanish? No wonder enlightenment didn't stick.

This is written in response to a piece of my writing, which you directly quote, where I say the precise opposite of what you're characterising. This is an occult forum on the internet: I expect people to talk past each other in their desire to hear themselves but, even with my low expectations, this is transparent.

You're saying the same thing I have been saying. I say the belief that this world is a prison strengthens you, and the belief that things are dandy, you're safe, and have no reason to get off your couch weakens you to the point of living death. A pleasant worldview weakens, pacifies. You think a negative view of the world is exhausting and a waste of time, I'm not weakened by this worldview, I'm motivated by it to rise above it, above the standards I'm expected to meet, above what's thought of as possible for a human.

I've written many posts on this forum, usually quite long ones. I don't think even the few users who openly detest me would say that I've ever advocated a "pleasant worldview" that "pacifies".

From your recent posts, it's pretty clear that you are undergoing some episode of emotional instability. I think you should prioritise looking after yourself. One of the difficulties that can emerge when dealing with metaphysics while low is that it can become a screen onto which "you problems" are projected outside, onto reality itself. That will only create a cycle of worsening issues for you.

I feel for you but I value my energy and time too, so we won't be interacting now.

 

[Shade]

Really this whole argument could of ended with it being an alchemical process - which is my view of life, strengthen the mind and body in your own unique way on earth to strengthen the energy of the soul when it goes back home.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

Really this whole argument could of ended with it being an alchemical process - which is my view of life, strengthen the mind and body in your own unique way on earth to strengthen the energy of the soul when it goes back home

"Back home" implies that this place is not the home of the Soul. So what do you call this "not home" in your philosiphy? A prison? Or something else?

From your recent posts, it's pretty clear that you are undergoing some episode of emotional instability.

 

[Johny111]

To answer the initial dilemma of this post. This world is a chance. Likewise, here and now we have a good opportunity to experience many pleasures. However, I believe that we should not waste time and energy on unimportant phenomena. I do not know whether my position falls under RHP or LHP, but it does not matter to me at all.
P.S. I don't know how you came to bring up politics in this conversation.

 

[Adamon]

To answer the initial dilemma of this post. This world is a chance. Likewise, here and now we have a good opportunity to experience many pleasures. However, I believe that we should not waste time and energy on unimportant phenomena. I do not know whether my position falls under RHP or LHP, but it does not matter to me at all.
P.S. I don't know how you came to bring up politics in this conversation.

I didn't bring politics here, just I posted a quote from Aleksandr duguin which to me it's a perfect description for the LHP.

As I said I don't condone any idea that comes from him.

 

[Johny111]

I didn't bring politics here, just I posted a quote from Aleksandr duguin which to me it's a perfect description for the LHP.

As I said I don't condone any idea that comes from him.

Now I'm intrigued to know where exactly you found that Dugin quote? Was it in a book, a publication, during an interview, or whatever? A man I respected very much often quoted Dugin, although I couldn't understand why, because I don't think Dugin's thought has any esoteric depth at all. He's more of an ideologue.

 

[Adamon]

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This one is the article where I found it.

For me duguin is a very strange man, at least regarding his beliefs. it's no clear to me if he is a hidden LHP follower, or RHP.

He has a very interesting past related to occultism, even you can find a video of him in a Alister Crowley's homage.

Besides, I don't rule that his beliefs are a mixed of both paths out.

I see him as a man who hides his real face. It's undeniable that he's a fascist, I don't think he left all his ancient ideologies. That gut believes that Russia is a sort of "chosen country". And this last is part of his occult beliefs that are an actual mystery.

 

[Parallax]

I see this as a prison as many people here in this forum, however I would like to know how's your point of view.

I remember when I read Michael Kelly's book "apophis" he assured that the black wizards doesn't see this world as a prison where you have to escape. According to him the RHP practitioner are who see this world like that.

He had a perspective less radical, and even seem he hasn't problems with Born again if he has (he didn't mentioned this, just are my own suppositions according to that he wrote).

I remember this last was a shock for me, I mean, the biggest majority have the same point of view of this place.

Besides, I don't think that you have to be as the 218 current hating excessively this world, we should enjoy this material world as much as we are around, but, was shocking to find that there were magicians who believe that we're nothing but flesh and organs, since later on he wrote the there were every type of theories on the Temple of set practitioners behalf regarding what happens after death.

That made me open my mind, and know that not whole the LHP practitioners had the same perception of this reality.

Then I would like to know you point of view, and if it is possible why do you accept once and for all that I was the thruth?

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I'm sorry for the grammatically errors, I wrote this without any previous preparation.

Any thought is simply a construct.
The world simply is something we observe, exist with and apart of.
It exists in morality only in relation to the desire of the observer.

 

[Dascent]

First, thank you for the opportunity which allows me to express this.
Well... I don't have the words for a quote from a book or adopting an idea of another's experience so I will go with what I have.
For a very, very long time it felt like a prison until I remembered the power I have.
Every single time, close to the end of one experience I was shown the bars of my cell and I laugh and I cried in the same time... "how beautiful, magical and amazing, was my cell"... and decided to come back and "this time I will remember"....In preparation room they said: "no, we will not remember because humanity is evolving fast and that remembering will ocurre in a natural way"...so I came back, not remembering and few cycles were not enough because I needed to be here on earth when time comes and I had to adopt the energy of a stubborn entity so I chose the Ram/Aries energy signature along with its traits but also kept the Hermit archetypal traits so I can benefit from the channel path of the inner wisdom...
So from 5th dimension I came back to 3rd with few traits of the 4th dimension.... so this cycle doesn't feel like that, like a prison anymore but I do notice the life experience of others and their struggle and their pain and their efforts, makes me sad bit but I see what is behind and I smile and I thumb up without their eyes seeing me and I move on.
First row tickets to assist to a special event in time and space, the "graduation of earth" as collective consciousness, upgrading the classroom rather than upgrading the prison and that's a matter of perspective, of definition, of one's choice and acknowledging one's true power.

 

[Adamon]

First, thank you for the opportunity which allows me to express this.
Well... I don't have the words for a quote from a book or adopting an idea of another's experience so I will go with what I have.
For a very, very long time it felt like a prison until I remembered the power I have.
Every single time, close to the end of one experience I was shown the bars of my cell and I laugh and I cried in the same time... "how beautiful, magical and amazing, was my cell"... and decided to come back and "this time I will remember"....In preparation room they said: "no, we will not remember because humanity is evolving fast and that remembering will ocurre in a natural way"...so I came back, not remembering and few cycles were not enough because I needed to be here on earth when time comes and I had to adopt the energy of a stubborn entity so I chose the Ram/Aries energy signature along with its traits but also kept the Hermit archetypal traits so I can benefit from the channel path of the inner wisdom...
So from 5th dimension I came back to 3rd with few traits of the 4th dimension.... so this cycle doesn't feel like that, like a prison anymore but I do notice the life experience of others and their struggle and their pain and their efforts, makes me sad bit but I see what is behind and I smile and I thumb up without their eyes seeing me and I move on.
First row tickets to assist to a special event in time and space, the "graduation of earth" as collective consciousness, upgrading the classroom rather than upgrading the prison and that's a matter of perspective, of definition, of one's choice and acknowledging one's true power.

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Could you explain you better?

 

[Amur]

First, thank you for the opportunity which allows me to express this.
Well... I don't have the words for a quote from a book or adopting an idea of another's experience so I will go with what I have.
For a very, very long time it felt like a prison until I remembered the power I have.
Every single time, close to the end of one experience I was shown the bars of my cell and I laugh and I cried in the same time... "how beautiful, magical and amazing, was my cell"... and decided to come back and "this time I will remember"....In preparation room they said: "no, we will not remember because humanity is evolving fast and that remembering will ocurre in a natural way"...so I came back, not remembering and few cycles were not enough because I needed to be here on earth when time comes and I had to adopt the energy of a stubborn entity so I chose the Ram/Aries energy signature along with its traits but also kept the Hermit archetypal traits so I can benefit from the channel path of the inner wisdom...
So from 5th dimension I came back to 3rd with few traits of the 4th dimension.... so this cycle doesn't feel like that, like a prison anymore but I do notice the life experience of others and their struggle and their pain and their efforts, makes me sad bit but I see what is behind and I smile and I thumb up without their eyes seeing me and I move on.
First row tickets to assist to a special event in time and space, the "graduation of earth" as collective consciousness, upgrading the classroom rather than upgrading the prison and that's a matter of perspective, of definition, of one's choice and acknowledging one's true power.

There are quite many starchildren on this planet that has come from a loftier dimension or position. Usually they are called Starseeds. And yes the galactical consciousness is FINALLY arriving hehe

 

[Baal]

there is an understanding that desire for liberation itself can keep you entangled in samsara. This is often referred to as the paradox of the striving self: the more one desires to escape suffering or reach the void, the more one is attached to that desire, and this attachment becomes another form of suffering.

 

[NewAgePrincess]

If you don't have "chill" or some degree of internal warmth and love then you can't survive the Qlippoth or the general overt darkness of the LHP
It is all about acausal knowledge and personal gnosis

Anger, Spite, and Vengeance aren't necessary to the qlippothic mystery

 

[Adamon]

there is an understanding that desire for liberation itself can keep you entangled in samsara. This is often referred to as the paradox of the striving self: the more one desires to escape suffering or reach the void, the more one is attached to that desire, and this attachment becomes another form of suffering.

Could you tell me where it comes from?

If I'm not mistaken this is from the Buddhism but I'm not positive.

 

[Baal]

Could you tell me where it comes from?

If I'm not mistaken this is from the Buddhism but I'm not positive.

Buddhism and Taoism

 

[jkeller293]

There are things about the human experience of incarnating on earth that resemble a prison. Like a prison, most people don't want to be here, and a few do. The experience is horrible for most, but a few actually thrive. Some of the thrivers are psychopaths, but not all. We are told by the "authorities" that its our own choice/choices that has brought us here. Most of us can't remember any such "choice", and the whole story is rather dubious, and sounds like a narrative designed to silence the people protesting the living conditions. Like a US prison, someone seems to be profiting nicely off the whole system, but they are not interested in the limelight, and prefer to be unknown by most of the masses. Like a prison, everyone in the system respects power. Those without power have a bad time of it.

I could go on, but the analogy eventually breaks down.

One could say the earth is like a jungle, where the strong prey on the weak
One could say the earth is like a convention for Con artists, where the deceitful prey on the gullible
One could say the earth is like a sheep pasture, where we are raised like livestock, mostly protected from the wolves by the shepherd, only so the shepherd can profit off our wool/energy, and eat us when we are no longer productive.

Etc. I'm not a fan of how the universe treats earth humans.

I believe that it is our choice where we end up. If we did not remember making such a choice then we may just be in denial that we made a bad choice.

Of course there are somethings which just come into your life that are unwanted, but you have a choice by how you decide to look at it. For example, if you had alot of trauma at a young age — you have a choice to look at it as something that has made you stronger, or you could choose to have a victim mindset — and let what happened to you destroy you from within.

I am someone that had a victim mindset for a long time — and there is no one that can truely help you, but yourself. Belief is a choice, and we have that power. We have the power to define what limits us, but often we let someone else do that for us.

Imagine love without pain. How would you be able to define love without its opposite existing? When i say define, lets just say "how would the experience of love ever be felt without feeling what its not?"

If i had a choice between being in a state of extacy with no experience and being in a state of duality with extreme of both ends having experience —

I would choose the one which has experience. The latter i would call prison.

 

[Mannimarco]

I believe that it is our choice where we end up. If we did not remember making such a choice then we may just be in denial that we made a bad choice.

Of course there are somethings which just come into your life that are unwanted, but you have a choice by how you decide to look at it. For example, if you had alot of trauma at a young age — you have a choice to look at it as something that has made you stronger, or you could choose to have a victim mindset — and let what happened to you destroy you from within.

I am someone that had a victim mindset for a long time — and there is no one that can truely help you, but yourself. Belief is a choice, and we have that power. We have the power to define what limits us, but often we let someone else do that for us.

Imagine love without pain. How would you be able to define love without its opposite existing? When i say define, lets just say "how would the experience of love ever be felt without feeling what its not?"

If i had a choice between being in a state of extacy with no experience and being in a state of duality with extreme of both ends having experience —

I would choose the one which has experience. The latter i would call prison.

In my mind, it all comes down to information. I could largely agree with what you're saying, IF, and it's big if, we were all aware of everything that went into our "choice's", the process and reasons, intentions, etc. And if we all intuitively understood the ascension process, high level magick, and the context into which we are incarnating, ie the rest of the universe.

Without that info, the chance of ascension is near zero, and it's no surprise people start to feel this is a prison. If you don't understand why you are in a place, and want to leave or at least make your time in that place productive, but can't because you don't know how to, even if that is all possible, then the system is clearly not exactly designed to succeed. The situation would have been even worse prior to the information age.

I understand what you're saying about a victim mindset, and this has been me in the past. I don't think I exactly have a victim mindset these days, more of a ticked off former sheep who has seen through the farm, at least in part. If someone or something is in fact victimizing you, it is not wrong to be aware of this. Of course you don't want to stay there, but I am not at all willing to fatalistically "trust the process" either, as if the universe can do no wrong.

 

[AlfrunGrima]

Just a short comment. When I read the post of the OP I had to think of the allegory of the cave, Plato. I wondered if it is more painfull or joyfull: to go back to the cave/prison or to leave it?... For me the only things that really could imprison me are my senses, but I can use my imagination to look beyond them. So I have a tool in my mind to free myself if I want to.