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Is wealth really the measure of one's magic?

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Lon Milo Duquette is another non-rich magician who I don't think anyone would deny is legit

(He has said, "Based on my lifestyle and personal laziness, I should be BROKE, but I'm always getting by okay" - which is the amount he cares about)
 

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Lon Milo Duquette is another non-rich magician who I don't think anyone would deny is legit

(He has said, "Based on my lifestyle and personal laziness, I should be BROKE, but I'm always getting by okay" - which is the amount he cares about)
"Money is a high-maintenance mistress."---(probably said by some snooty French guy who was a homey to Voltaire, Diderot, et.al.)
 

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Just a couple of physical manifestation videos would trump wealth. Come on make something float in the air or utterly disintegrate a box of cereals!
 

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Just a couple of physical manifestation videos would trump wealth. Come on make something float in the air or utterly disintegrate a box of cereals!

To be fair, any magician that can assertively prove magic like that (and not via stage magic) would probably be very rich, or very dead
 

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To be fair, any magician that can assertively prove magic like that (and not via stage magic) would probably be very rich, or very dead
He's only rich IF he goes public and turns showman. Besides a first-rate illusionist can seemingly do the same things and nearly no one can tell the difference.
 

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"Based on my lifestyle and personal laziness, I should be BROKE, but I'm always getting by okay" - which is the amount he cares about
"Getting by" in this economy is already good enough.If one can do that with magic then they don't have much to worry about.

Although being able to be safely on the "above getting by" is always preferable.


utterly disintegrate a box of cereals
I don't need magic for that.

make something float in the air
This one would never be a credible proof because of the many ways we already have to make things float on air(be through trickery or science).


To be fair, any magician that can assertively prove magic like that (and not via stage magic) would probably be very rich, or very dead
I don't know if a magician able to conjure lightning with their hands would surpass someone with a gun...

But it's certainly it the type of magician people first think of when they imagine one.


a first-rate illusionist can seemingly do the same things and nearly no one can tell the difference.
Most illusionists nowadays seem to depend a lot on the props they use rather than just on their skill, angles/positioning also play a hand at some tricks working or not.

I think there would be a massive difference in seeing an illusionist doing a trick and a magician doing it "for real", if they actually are able to do so.
 

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"Getting by" in this economy is already good enough.If one can do that with magic then they don't have much to worry about.

Although being able to be safely on the "above getting by" is always preferable.



I don't need magic for that.


This one would never be a credible proof because of the many ways we already have to make things float on air(be through trickery or science).



I don't know if a magician able to conjure lightning with their hands would surpass someone with a gun...

But it's certainly it the type of magician people first think of when they imagine one.



Most illusionists nowadays seem to depend a lot on the props they use rather than just on their skill, angles/positioning also play a hand at some tricks working or not.

I think there would be a massive difference in seeing an illusionist doing a trick and a magician doing it "for real", if they actually are able to do so.
Could be, but in what would the massive difference consist? I recall claims that when the stage magician "walked through" the Great Wall about 20 years back, there were claims that microphones actually heard him "moving inside" the Wall.
 
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No. That's basically Esoteric Prosperity Gospel. Not a fan.

It seems the pendulum has swung hard against the decades in the 80s-90s-00s where practitioners disdained money and grimoire magicians worked retail, and I appreciate that we are all getting more results-focused--that has a way of cutting through the bullshit. However, getting too results-focused is ridiculous, because the much easier way to get rich is to become a damn hedge fund manager lol. Magic is about a lot more than material standing, and it's rarely straightforward.

I know people who have done exceedingly impressive wealth magic, but 1) they already were in a socioeconomic bracket where the feats they performed were possible (if not very probable) and 2) it often doesn't solve other issues they have (overspending, not good at investments, spending too much money on magic!).

I have to admit, I do look askance at some practitioners whose lives are really wrecked. You should be able to crawl out of that with magic, but some of those people honestly do have really impressive abilities and fascinating experiences. It's just that fixing one's life takes more than magic.

One of the best and most sane takes on this is Jason Miller's book on financial sorcery. It's required reading for anyone into wealth magic imo.
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As a side note, I've been musing recently on just how "Buy My Course" the occult community has become. I'm happy to pay people for their skills, but it's really become a very competitive profession and I wish that so many of the most vibrant communities didn't surround someone's discord available via Patreon membership etc.
 

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Nah, I live a life on a lot of property, I got myself a small place to live, I don’t worry about bills and utilities and property taxes are easily paid for, I mf I need money , and it’s reasonable. I can get it. but I am by no means wealthy. I make do with the bare minimum and find happiness from within.
a good example is taking up pyrography, I coulda bought a $40+ dollar kit but I spent like $8 and had fun creating. Magick is projected outward and returned. It’s not given without respect and finding it from within.
Imo.
 
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