I’ve been listening to Jason Miller’s class and he says curses are the easiest form of magic. Thoughts?

[Vitorino]

True. It's easier to knock someone down than to lift them up, as my pai de santo says. And the "emotional fuel" of cursing is more easly acessed by someone hurted.

 

[aliciafrogs]

As much as I think he's a great magician, I unfortunately have a opposite opinion.
Cursing is much more complicated then other forms of magic because more negative energy will be involved. Since it is harming the victum and/or bending the victum's will. If not carefully handled, may seriously hurt the magician himself.

Honestly with all these different opinions I’m getting I’m starting to wonder if different people just vibe with different kinds of magic better. Like maybe some people are just etherically built to be better at one thing or another.

 

[Durward]

I would also add, the proof is in the events of history. With the sheer number of people who obviously could, or might have had some skills, there are a number of world leaders that should be melting on camera, or stroking out. From N. Korea, to Russia, to the USA, there are plenty of targets and plenty of legitimate reasons to want to harm them. Even in smaller nations, warlords and others seem to have all the freedoms and power, and nothing happens. Even in history, with things like the Inquisition, lasting around 650 years in different formats, with evil men in power and no powers stopping them. Shorter events like the holocaust, or genocide actions by colonizers. Or like the destruction of the Aztecs. There would have been, or should have been, some very skilled people in these populations. Yet what we get is no intervention from angels or gods, and no protections.
The reality of history makes the power to retaliate or defend look pretty tragic.
Humans are fragile and weak, and so are the things they can actually do. The ego doesn't fit reality.

 

[aliciafrogs]

I would also add, the proof is in the events of history. With the sheer number of people who obviously could, or might have had some skills, there are a number of world leaders that should be melting on camera, or stroking out. From N. Korea, to Russia, to the USA, there are plenty of targets and plenty of legitimate reasons to want to harm them. Even in smaller nations, warlords and others seem to have all the freedoms and power, and nothing happens. Even in history, with things like the Inquisition, lasting around 650 years in different formats, with evil men in power and no powers stopping them. Shorter events like the holocaust, or genocide actions by colonizers. Or like the destruction of the Aztecs. There would have been, or should have been, some very skilled people in these populations. Yet what we get is no intervention from angels or gods, and no protections.
The reality of history makes the power to retaliate or defend look pretty tragic.
Humans are fragile and weak, and so are the things they can actually do. The ego doesn't fit reality.

I absolutely see what you’re saying but if I stop believing in curses wouldn’t I also have to stop believing energy healing/healing miracles are real? Maybe the people in power also have an army of people praying for them or strong spirit allies backing them up? Or maybe it’s harder to get a link to them? Idk

 

[Durward]

I absolutely see what you’re saying but if I stop believing in curses wouldn’t I also have to stop believing energy healing/healing miracles are real? Maybe the people in power also have an army of people praying for them or strong spirit allies backing them up? Or maybe it’s harder to get a link to them? Idk

I also toyed with the idea that governments have psi spies that are powerful enough to protect them. I also toyed with the idea that these powerful people are part of the larger destiny and are protected by things like fate. It is very difficult when you actually see banal future events because in order for any future event to actually happen, it is either already in play, and is fate or destiny, or we are puppets on a stage repeating something that already happened, or... etc. It can really mess with our linear time brains.

We have real evidence of energy healing, in science labs and experiments. And yes, I do think if we can actually heal, we can also harm. But, I also believe there is always a price. Just like the saying 'you are what you eat', you are likely also what you channel or connect with. Like the old Earth practice where things come back threefold.

A little off-topic perhaps, but watching and studying the more recent events in healing, like Prof. Bengston's/Moga's energy healing for cancer that has been injected into mice, I noted that this particular method appears to only be working on a specific cancer, or a specific type of cancer.

I also saw that the late Sean Harribance was able to do some interesting things with cancer. I also followed the distant intent studies of healers, the only success in one study was from the long-term practicing instructors/teachers, and all the students failed.

Following the Reiki studies, most of the weekend seminar folks can't produce anything of value. Yet they are still allowed to charge money for waving hands around and acting like they can. We obviously need better regulations and testing to allow this to be paid for by health insurance, like it currently is in many places. Those Reiki practitioners who can, can also move a compass needle repeatedly, produce magnetic fields that are pretty awesome, and many can produce the same type of electromagnetic chirp wave that Bengston and Moga measured and noticed during successful mouse healing sessions. The electromagnetic chirp wave should certainly be studied further to see what is generating it and why.

Bengston has continued with these studies, and discovered that they can channel this energy into cotton balls, and these cotton balls then heal the cancer in these mice as well, producing a foundation for talismanic magic that is pretty solid. So this energy can be transferred to objects as well.

I'm not a fan of only allowing the Catholic church to decide what is or isn't a miracle, but they do have a pretty rigorous set of requirements that appears to be valid.

All of these are very interesting areas that deserve much more study and attention, in particular because they can and do alleviate suffering and supply a very legitimate use of whatever energies they are.

I doubt that these individual people are the actual cause of the healing, or have these powers within their own sphere, I do think they can become vessels or conduits to help direct or guide certain energies. There is also never any guarantee that what they do will work, which again may be due to whatever forces are involved in plans, or destiny, or fate.

Alone that we can influence this energy and guide it should be an amazing discovery.

The bottom line is that the weekend seminar, or limited practices, do not always supply access. We always end up with skilled people that can, and a lot of wishful folks that believe they can, but actually can't.

So, it is never a given that any practice will supply an automatic return for your efforts, and it is also now obvious that simply believing in it, or believing you can, will supply any guarantee of success. Placebo is even turning out to be something different than science thought.

There was a very interesting study on placebos that showed a matching number of improvements between placebo patients and the real medicine patients, even when the scientists and patients were not aware of both groups. So the more the patients receiving the real medicine improved, the more the placebo group improved, even when they are unaware of each other. So it is a very confusing type of energy. Prof. Bengston calls it 'information energy' because it appears to be instructions or similar. But the bottom line to that is that it may not have anything to do with just believing in the fake pill. There is a real connection happening to other healing energies attracted to the entire process.

We again end up with skilled practitioners as the key ingredient, and not necessarily what it is they are practicing. And likely with energies being channeled and directed, but not owned or personal power. Some of this appears to have guardrails that are more fixed/permanent, and won't allow certain deviations or changes, likely because certain things are so fixed in destiny.

 

[Kepler]

Honestly with all these different opinions I’m getting I’m starting to wonder if different people just vibe with different kinds of magic better. Like maybe some people are just etherically built to be better at one thing or another.

And sometimes a blessing to some may appear as a curse to others.

A person who energizes people with an enlightening presence that blesses others with discovering their own strength may be considered accursed and the most vile person ever by a fascist, anti-initiatory presence.

 

[Bawonschild]

Anyone can learn a few chords, to be able to play like Hendrix is a different thing.

Literally the best reply in myopinion. This is coming from a necromancer that religiously listens to hendrix

 

[aliciafrogs]

I also toyed with the idea that governments have psi spies that are powerful enough to protect them. I also toyed with the idea that these powerful people are part of the larger destiny and are protected by things like fate. It is very difficult when you actually see banal future events because in order for any future event to actually happen, it is either already in play, and is fate or destiny, or we are puppets on a stage repeating something that already happened, or... etc. It can really mess with our linear time brains.

We have real evidence of energy healing, in science labs and experiments. And yes, I do think if we can actually heal, we can also harm. But, I also believe there is always a price. Just like the saying 'you are what you eat', you are likely also what you channel or connect with. Like the old Earth practice where things come back threefold.

A little off-topic perhaps, but watching and studying the more recent events in healing, like Prof. Bengston's/Moga's energy healing for cancer that has been injected into mice, I noted that this particular method appears to only be working on a specific cancer, or a specific type of cancer.

I also saw that the late Sean Harribance was able to do some interesting things with cancer. I also followed the distant intent studies of healers, the only success in one study was from the long-term practicing instructors/teachers, and all the students failed.

Following the Reiki studies, most of the weekend seminar folks can't produce anything of value. Yet they are still allowed to charge money for waving hands around and acting like they can. We obviously need better regulations and testing to allow this to be paid for by health insurance, like it currently is in many places. Those Reiki practitioners who can, can also move a compass needle repeatedly, produce magnetic fields that are pretty awesome, and many can produce the same type of electromagnetic chirp wave that Bengston and Moga measured and noticed during successful mouse healing sessions. The electromagnetic chirp wave should certainly be studied further to see what is generating it and why.

Bengston has continued with these studies, and discovered that they can channel this energy into cotton balls, and these cotton balls then heal the cancer in these mice as well, producing a foundation for talismanic magic that is pretty solid. So this energy can be transferred to objects as well.

I'm not a fan of only allowing the Catholic church to decide what is or isn't a miracle, but they do have a pretty rigorous set of requirements that appears to be valid.

All of these are very interesting areas that deserve much more study and attention, in particular because they can and do alleviate suffering and supply a very legitimate use of whatever energies they are.

I doubt that these individual people are the actual cause of the healing, or have these powers within their own sphere, I do think they can become vessels or conduits to help direct or guide certain energies. There is also never any guarantee that what they do will work, which again may be due to whatever forces are involved in plans, or destiny, or fate.

Alone that we can influence this energy and guide it should be an amazing discovery.

The bottom line is that the weekend seminar, or limited practices, do not always supply access. We always end up with skilled people that can, and a lot of wishful folks that believe they can, but actually can't.

So, it is never a given that any practice will supply an automatic return for your efforts, and it is also now obvious that simply believing in it, or believing you can, will supply any guarantee of success. Placebo is even turning out to be something different than science thought.

There was a very interesting study on placebos that showed a matching number of improvements between placebo patients and the real medicine patients, even when the scientists and patients were not aware of both groups. So the more the patients receiving the real medicine improved, the more the placebo group improved, even when they are unaware of each other. So it is a very confusing type of energy. Prof. Bengston calls it 'information energy' because it appears to be instructions or similar. But the bottom line to that is that it may not have anything to do with just believing in the fake pill. There is a real connection happening to other healing energies attracted to the entire process.

We again end up with skilled practitioners as the key ingredient, and not necessarily what it is they are practicing. And likely with energies being channeled and directed, but not owned or personal power. Some of this appears to have guardrails that are more fixed/permanent, and won't allow certain deviations or changes, likely because certain things are so fixed in destiny.

Thank you for the thoughtful response I’m gonna look up some of those studies. I found a podcast on Bengston. that’s wild that healing energy could cure cancer in mice and the cured mice’s cells could cure cancer in other mice.

 

[mqhawk733]

I’ve been listening to Jason Miller’s Hekate class and whenever curses get brought up, he says that it is the easiest form of magic because it doesn’t require skill. I was wondering what other people‘s thoughts were on this. I’m pretty new to this, and I previously thought curses may have been one of the more difficult forms of magic because it has such a long-term impact and causes so much damage.
I was wondering if anyone had experience with this and if it was easier or harder to get results compared to other magic you’ve tried? It sounded counter intuitive to me but I wanted to get a read from people who are more involved than me.

it is something protecting, from heaven, maybe wont protect everyone , this one might be helped, maybe

 

[robyangel]

This topic is particularly relevant to me. I want to share a thought about it. There are many people who, even without any magical knowledge, are able to condense their negativity and direct it in ways that very few can. Others use it to keep people energetically hooked—especially those who are “ahead” on an evolutionary path—by carefully targeting their invisible wounds and diminishing them.

I am someone who prefers light over attack, and in my life I can say I have endured many such situations. I follow the path of humility, also because I know that if I move onto that field, I will inevitably face the consequences—not only for myself, but possibly for those I love as well.


That said, I would like to understand something: all these people who carry negative intentions unconsciously, all these people who in some way destroy the lives of others—how do they pay for it? In another life? With eternal damnation? I feel like I am missing something here.


In this world, anger is increasing, and its energetic intensity seems three times stronger than in the past. Chaos and confusion are pushing healthy emotions further away, and there is a growing disconnection between reality and illusion.


Does the same rule apply to these people? Even if they act unconsciously, do they still bear the same weight in restoring energetic balance? And if that is so, why are we living in a phase of such total energetic imbalance?


I feel more and more alone, and I find myself protecting myself more and more. But often the malice feels so powerful that I wonder—is it truly enough just to protect oneself?


Even figures like Uriel, Gabriel, and Michael carried a sword, and we know that the Universe has intervened with destruction to restore energetic balance. What do you think?


Forgive the outburst—it is difficult to truly express what I feel and what I am experiencing around me. I feel awake while everyone else is asleep, and those who are not asleep seem either like monsters or shadows

 

[aliciafrogs]

This topic is particularly relevant to me. I want to share a thought about it. There are many people who, even without any magical knowledge, are able to condense their negativity and direct it in ways that very few can. Others use it to keep people energetically hooked—especially those who are “ahead” on an evolutionary path—by carefully targeting their invisible wounds and diminishing them.

I am someone who prefers light over attack, and in my life I can say I have endured many such situations. I follow the path of humility, also because I know that if I move onto that field, I will inevitably face the consequences—not only for myself, but possibly for those I love as well.


That said, I would like to understand something: all these people who carry negative intentions unconsciously, all these people who in some way destroy the lives of others—how do they pay for it? In another life? With eternal damnation? I feel like I am missing something here.


In this world, anger is increasing, and its energetic intensity seems three times stronger than in the past. Chaos and confusion are pushing healthy emotions further away, and there is a growing disconnection between reality and illusion.


Does the same rule apply to these people? Even if they act unconsciously, do they still bear the same weight in restoring energetic balance? And if that is so, why are we living in a phase of such total energetic imbalance?


I feel more and more alone, and I find myself protecting myself more and more. But often the malice feels so powerful that I wonder—is it truly enough just to protect oneself?


Even figures like Uriel, Gabriel, and Michael carried a sword, and we know that the Universe has intervened with destruction to restore energetic balance. What do you think?


Forgive the outburst—it is difficult to truly express what I feel and what I am experiencing around me. I feel awake while everyone else is asleep, and those who are not asleep seem either like monsters or shadows

Shit I don’t know maybe they just keep reincarnating into times like these where they are energetically similar? Maybe they are miserable, making other people miserable and get to stay in a vortex of that same bullshit until they stop being garbage people? that’s my best guess I don’t really think they’ll burn in hell for being shitty I think their punishment is just pushing people away who love them and attracting people who are energetically similar to them.

I'm sorry you’re feeling alone I understand the feeling! It’s hard to focus on the good and not get pulled into the chaos.

i see what you’re saying about angels carrying swords and I’m not judging if you use combative magic. If people are relentlessly abusing you sometimes enough is enough and you gotta fight back if you can at least enough to neutralize the threat. Just try not to get sucked into a power trip cursing them lol.

Do what you need to do to get to safety because if they are consumed by chaos, confusion and are disconnected with reality I think it’s dangerous to be around them because it’s contagious. Personally I wouldn’t be trying to fix anyone I would be cutting my losses before it spreads to other areas in my life and running for the hills. Let the angels fix them because as a human I think it’s more likely you’ll be infected by their psychic disease before you fix them.

 

[robyangel]

Shit I don’t know maybe they just keep reincarnating into times like these where they are energetically similar? Maybe they are miserable, making other people miserable and get to stay in a vortex of that same bullshit until they stop being garbage people? that’s my best guess I don’t really think they’ll burn in hell for being shitty I think their punishment is just pushing people away who love them and attracting people who are energetically similar to them.

I'm sorry you’re feeling alone I understand the feeling! It’s hard to focus on the good and not get pulled into the chaos.

i see what you’re saying about angels carrying swords and I’m not judging if you use combative magic. If people are relentlessly abusing you sometimes enough is enough and you gotta fight back if you can at least enough to neutralize the threat. Just try not to get sucked into a power trip cursing them lol.

Do what you need to do to get to safety because if they are consumed by chaos, confusion and are disconnected with reality I think it’s dangerous to be around them because it’s contagious. Personally I wouldn’t be trying to fix anyone I would be cutting my losses before it spreads to other areas in my life and running for the hills. Let the angels fix them because as a human I think it’s more likely you’ll be infected by their psychic disease before you fix them.

This is exactly the point—you’ve touched something fundamental: the attempt to heal them.


They drag you down and wear you out because, in doing so, they inevitably expose you. The more you try to understand, to redeem, to transmute… the more you risk being pulled into their field.


Speaking of Jason Miller, and staying on theme, I know he’s a very controversial figure, but I do find some aspects of his reversal magick interesting. In his work, he mentions that a reversal ritual can even be performed through anger. I haven’t done it—if I ever did, it would be my first time using counter-attack magic—but I’ve been wondering for a long time:


Are we always supposed to just endure?
Are we always supposed to retreat?
Are we always supposed to believe that, in the end, divine punishment will take care of everything?


Meanwhile, curses still hit you. And when you open your heart—those wounds are real.


I believe balance must always be defended. If someone tries to break your will, then your will must be protected, because they are violating your equilibrium. Yes, bindings and energetic entanglements can break balance—but isn’t manipulation, cruelty, and psychological aggression just as destructive?


Of course, in theory, people attract the same energies they emit, and that becomes their consequence. But sometimes it feels like they aren’t even aware of it.


I’m not sure if I’ve explained myself clearly, but what I’m questioning is this: where is the line between spiritual endurance and rightful defense?

 

[Ohana]

I am someone who prefers light over attack, and in my life I can say I have endured many such situations. I follow the path of humility, also because I know that if I move onto that field, I will inevitably face the consequences—not only for myself, but possibly for those I love as well.


That said, I would like to understand something: all these people who carry negative intentions unconsciously, all these people who in some way destroy the lives of others—how do they pay for it? In another life? With eternal damnation? I feel like I am missing something here.


Does the same rule apply to these people? Even if they act unconsciously, do they still bear the same weight in restoring energetic balance? And if that is so, why are we living in a phase of such total energetic imbalance?


I feel more and more alone, and I find myself protecting myself more and more. But often the malice feels so powerful that I wonder—is it truly enough just to protect oneself?


Even figures like Uriel, Gabriel, and Michael carried a sword, and we know that the Universe has intervened with destruction to restore energetic balance.


Forgive the outburst—it is difficult to truly express what I feel and what I am experiencing around me. I feel awake while everyone else is asleep, and those who are not asleep seem either like monsters or shadows

Anger is a communication tool. I don't think "negative" energy is inherently bad. These people might feeling frustrated by something but probably do not have that words to voice that frustration or are not able to.

Inequality is on the rise and with it anger. If the anger seems out of nowhere maybe asking the person why they feel this way instead of ignoring it could help. But I don't want to pressure you to do that this is just not asked for advice from a stranger on the internet. If keeping energy protected feels better then keep at it but stepping out might and listening to others might be okay too.

I ask also if you feel anger towards these people. I think these people will probably feel guilt and probably face consequences eventually. No act goes unanswered I bet. But some of their anger might be for a reason rather than just random malice.

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This is exactly the point—you’ve touched something fundamental: the attempt to heal them.


They drag you down and wear you out because, in doing so, they inevitably expose you. The more you try to understand, to redeem, to transmute… the more you risk being pulled into their field.

Maybe don't try to redeem or change. Just listen.
But thats all the advice I got.

 

[robyangel]

Anger is a communication tool. I don't think "negative" energy is inherently bad. These people might feeling frustrated by something but probably do not have that words to voice that frustration or are not able to.

Inequality is on the rise and with it anger. If the anger seems out of nowhere maybe asking the person why they feel this way instead of ignoring it could help. But I don't want to pressure you to do that this is just not asked for advice from a stranger on the internet. If keeping energy protected feels better then keep at it but stepping out might and listening to others might be okay too.

I ask also if you feel anger towards these people. I think these people will probably feel guilt and probably face consequences eventually. No act goes unanswered I bet. But some of their anger might be for a reason rather than just random malice.

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Maybe don't try to redeem or change. Just listen.
But thats all the advice I got.

No wait, sorry —what triggered that wave wasn’t avoidance. It was stepping into the open.


Coming out into the light is what unleashed it. And believe me, it was strong.


I tried to listen to them. I stayed. I tried to understand their pain, to encourage them, to help them step out of the darkness they were carrying inside. My listening was deep. I’ve listened to people my whole life. I’ve read Tarot for years. Helping others has always been part of my family, part of who I am.


But after all these years, I feel strongly that something has changed.


Their pain is something I can’t even fully put into words. And when I finally reached the core of it—when I truly got there—they turned and hurled curses at me. Real curses. Curses born of rage.


I won’t try to describe the intensity, the darkness in their eyes—but it was as if all the shadow inside them erupted in a single instant.


You cannot save someone who does not want to be saved. But you also cannot endure forever.


I paid for it. A year of headaches. A year of renunciations. Pain throughout my body. Only now, slowly, after protection work, energetic rebalancing, and gradually stepping back into the world, am I beginning to recover. But the aftereffects are still there.


It wasn’t like this before. Or at least, it never carried this kind of force.

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I was actually wondering whether anyone has ever truly practiced the reversal magick taught by Jason Miller. In his book, he himself says that he doesn’t know what price he may pay for sharing that knowledge—and that, I admit, made me pause.


I have always worked with the light and with defense. But this time… I’m beginning to feel that I might be ready for something more.

 

[aliciafrogs]

No wait, sorry —what triggered that wave wasn’t avoidance. It was stepping into the open.


Coming out into the light is what unleashed it. And believe me, it was strong.


I tried to listen to them. I stayed. I tried to understand their pain, to encourage them, to help them step out of the darkness they were carrying inside. My listening was deep. I’ve listened to people my whole life. I’ve read Tarot for years. Helping others has always been part of my family, part of who I am.


But after all these years, I feel strongly that something has changed.


Their pain is something I can’t even fully put into words. And when I finally reached the core of it—when I truly got there—they turned and hurled curses at me. Real curses. Curses born of rage.


I won’t try to describe the intensity, the darkness in their eyes—but it was as if all the shadow inside them erupted in a single instant.


You cannot save someone who does not want to be saved. But you also cannot endure forever.


I paid for it. A year of headaches. A year of renunciations. Pain throughout my body. Only now, slowly, after protection work, energetic rebalancing, and gradually stepping back into the world, am I beginning to recover. But the aftereffects are still there.


It wasn’t like this before. Or at least, it never carried this kind of force.

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I was actually wondering whether anyone has ever truly practiced the reversal magick taught by Jason Miller. In his book, he himself says that he doesn’t know what price he may pay for sharing that knowledge—and that, I admit, made me pause.


I have always worked with the light and with defense. But this time… I’m beginning to feel that I might be ready for something more.

They probably don’t want to be saved they probably just want people who enforce an echo chamber where they have never done any wrong and are eternal victims. Sounds like you listened to them, processed it and gave them the best advice you could and they didn’t wanna hear it. I’m sorry they lashed out at you like that I hope you find recovery one day. You don’t have to endure it forever do whatever you have to do to recover!

 

[Riva626]

At our core, most people are c***s. Understanding that is fundamental to life. We're all selfish, narcissistic, sexual, and prone to violent urges. We may have advanced technologically and socially as a species, but on a biological level our hardware is still wired for caveman survival mechanisms. No matter how many social constructs we put in place, human nature will always prevail. That cheating spouse gave into their primal desire to mate. The guy fighting at the bar gave into his primal urge for violence.

It's good to be stoic, great in fact. We should always assume ignorance over malice when it comes to our enemies. But people are nasty, they will bite and claw at you. In the office, at home, in public. We have to learn not only how to deal with that pressure, but also how to bite back. I'm not saying that we should become aggressive, friendless, villains. But sometimes we have to show our teeth.

And sometimes, people need cursed. Even YHVH knew that. How many curses and plagues did he not send upon his enemies?

Whether you're using Jason Miller's magic, or something else entirely, a curse is likely to work better than most other spells for the reasons I stated previously.

Life is war. Sometimes an enemy will ingress on your life. Sometimes you need to push back.

 

[robyangel]

At our core, most people are c***s. Understanding that is fundamental to life. We're all selfish, narcissistic, sexual, and prone to violent urges. We may have advanced technologically and socially as a species, but on a biological level our hardware is still wired for caveman survival mechanisms. No matter how many social constructs we put in place, human nature will always prevail. That cheating spouse gave into their primal desire to mate. The guy fighting at the bar gave into his primal urge for violence.

It's good to be stoic, great in fact. We should always assume ignorance over malice when it comes to our enemies. But people are nasty, they will bite and claw at you. In the office, at home, in public. We have to learn not only how to deal with that pressure, but also how to bite back. I'm not saying that we should become aggressive, friendless, villains. But sometimes we have to show our teeth.

And sometimes, people need cursed. Even YHVH knew that. How many curses and plagues did he not send upon his enemies?

Whether you're using Jason Miller's magic, or something else entirely, a curse is likely to work better than most other spells for the reasons I stated previously.

Life is war. Sometimes an enemy will ingress on your life. Sometimes you need to push back.

Of course—that’s exactly the point. I truly believe we are in a kind of war, and for someone like me, who has always been a pacifist, it hurts to even say that. But I know what it means to lose your balance, to come this close to falling into the shadow—and I can no longer allow that to happen.


My soul probably chose these situations in order to evolve, because it is experience that changes behavior—provided you are able to extract the gold from it.


I will explore the path of reversal magick more deeply, because I know my intention is pure. And deep down, this book appeared in my life almost by chance, at a truly dark moment—and I don’t believe anything is ever truly by chance.

 

[aliciafrogs]

This is exactly the point—you’ve touched something fundamental: the attempt to heal them.


They drag you down and wear you out because, in doing so, they inevitably expose you. The more you try to understand, to redeem, to transmute… the more you risk being pulled into their field.


Speaking of Jason Miller, and staying on theme, I know he’s a very controversial figure, but I do find some aspects of his reversal magick interesting. In his work, he mentions that a reversal ritual can even be performed through anger. I haven’t done it—if I ever did, it would be my first time using counter-attack magic—but I’ve been wondering for a long time:


Are we always supposed to just endure?
Are we always supposed to retreat?
Are we always supposed to believe that, in the end, divine punishment will take care of everything?


Meanwhile, curses still hit you. And when you open your heart—those wounds are real.


I believe balance must always be defended. If someone tries to break your will, then your will must be protected, because they are violating your equilibrium. Yes, bindings and energetic entanglements can break balance—but isn’t manipulation, cruelty, and psychological aggression just as destructive?


Of course, in theory, people attract the same energies they emit, and that becomes their consequence. But sometimes it feels like they aren’t even aware of it.


I’m not sure if I’ve explained myself clearly, but what I’m questioning is this: where is the line between spiritual endurance and rightful defense?

If you need to curse them in order to recover do it. Don’t be sacrificial they are counting on that since they probably know you as a kind person. Do whatever you need to do to get them off your back so you can get to safety. Don’t respond to their messages, if they send people after you in public you can say “I’m sorry but I don’t have a person that goes by that name in my life”. Keep it vague don’t fuel the flames. Anything you give them will be used against you and they will try to drive you crazy and then say look at how crazy that person is! Don’t give them anything you need to just prioritize safety, cut your losses and leave. Also if you are being attacked you need to keep up with your glamor magic you don’t want them convincing more people to go after you. If you have the ability to do offensive magic you should curse the ever living shit out of them so they cant target someone again.

 

[robyangel]

If you need to curse them in order to recover do it. Don’t be sacrificial they are counting on that since they probably know you as a kind person. Do whatever you need to do to get them off your back so you can get to safety. Don’t respond to their messages, if they send people after you in public you can say “I’m sorry but I don’t have a person that goes by that name in my life”. Keep it vague don’t fuel the flames. Anything you give them will be used against you and they will try to drive you crazy and then say look at how crazy that person is! Don’t give them anything you need to just prioritize safety, cut your losses and leave. Also if you are being attacked you need to keep up with your glamor magic you don’t want them convincing more people to go after you. If you have the ability to do offensive magic you should curse the ever living shit out of them so they cant target someone again.

Thank you, truly. Your words mean a lot to me.


I work from humility, and I consider humility to be the highest form of magick. I have already done what needed to be done: I stepped away, I did not fuel the fire, I left things as they were. I absorbed the blow in silence. I remained silent even in the face of threats and their curses. I did not escalate anything. I held my line—calm, balanced, unmoved.


But I have always had a very sharp perception of people, and I have the tools to sense when something is still being orchestrated behind the scenes. I know, with clarity, that it is. The energy is still reaching me. I can assure you of that.


My way of working has always been silent, disciplined, balanced, and conscious. That has not changed. But I do need to do something about this lingering sense of chaos. It is exhausting. It wears me down. It creates a pressure that can make you feel like you’re losing your grip, just as you described.


The curse that was directed at me was not random—I recognized it. It came from one of Agrippa’s texts. Imagine a twenty-year-old with that kind of knowledge and that kind of intensity. It’s a complex situation, and I’m only speaking about it now because I finally feel I’m in a space where I can share more openly.


I am working with sigils, with bindrunes. None of them seem to have fully resolved this yet. It’s not that I haven’t tried the peaceful path—I truly have.


For now, I will take a little more time. I will continue with protection work. And I will see how things unfold.

 

[Ohana]

It wasn’t like this before. Or at least, it never carried this kind of force.

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I was actually wondering whether anyone has ever truly practiced the reversal magick taught by Jason Miller. In his book, he himself says that he doesn’t know what price he may pay for sharing that knowledge—and that, I admit, made me pause.


I have always worked with the light and with defense. But this time… I’m beginning to feel that I might be ready for something more.

Okay. Then it might not be fully them it might the time period. Astrologically this is kind of weird moment. I notice others around me are feeling this downward pull too.

But I agree it still is a grave thing to happen to you. I'm sorry that happened. I suppose that if this is the way you want to go.

If the enegy attacks keep coming then yeah reversing might be a good call.

Another tactic I learned is if you know the person and their likes and dislikes. Whenever you know you'll see them wear something you know they dislike so they'll be more likely to leave you alone. I do that sometimes and it works sometimes. But it might have to be subtle or they might catch on.