Author John Kreiter's errors

[Beyond Everything]

Someone asked me about his work, which I had skimmed through a while ago. So I'm going on my memory of the material.

There are various significant technical issues with it

His claim that unless one fully experiences an emotion then one opens themselves to physical illness is actually opposite of how the energetic system works. You can 'cut' the roots of such phenomena and fortify yourself with the extra internal energy immediately.

He has you project out negative energy and then breathe it back in which is a ridiculous and innefficient rigmarole.

The feeding on a crowd's 'negative energy' and then storing it below the navel is not part of an alchemical process that builds a higher subtle body.

In encouraging a 'predator' mindset, rather than a detached approach to energetic phenomena accompanied with a reification of the inner I, he is eventually creating a regressive thoughtform.

In truth esoteric 'vampirism' in its highest sense is extremely well hidden, and there isn't a book out there that discusses it. It is how one deals not only with one's emotions, but thoughts, thoughtforms, and other enegetic factors -which while gaining access to one's energy- is actually only preliminary to the 'activation' of the hidden parts of the self.

 

[Morell]

Thanks for that. Always good to get opinion form another angle.

I haven't noticed these mistakes. Only issue I found with the book on Vampiric self-defense was that if you practice this drawing of negative energy into yourself, you can easily overdo it and get into yourself a more negativity than you can dissolve fast, which then of course affects you.

 

[PinealisGlandia]

I've been practicing his techniques for about a decade now and can attest they work.

Thanks for that. Always good to get opinion form another angle.

I haven't noticed these mistakes. Only issue I found with the book on Vampiric self-defense was that if you practice this drawing of negative energy into yourself, you can easily overdo it and get into yourself a more negativity than you can dissolve fast, which then of course affects you.

I think you missed a step. You're supposed to convert the energy within your own body, not just draw it in. It's not about soaking up negativity, it's about... Well, in practice, it looks like finding silver linings in things. You know how people complain about things habitually, just as a way of making conversation? The conversion of negative to positive is what happens on a subtle level when on the obvious level you are engaging with those complaints non-typically (i.e not "yes and"ing them or offering your own complaints, but instead asking questions about the complaint and surrounding circumstances to turn the complaint into an ordinary conversation). Kreiter gives guidelines on the subtle aspects, so I feel like explaining what it actually looks like to an observer would be helpful.

 

[moonbow]

In encouraging a 'predator' mindset, rather than a detached approach to energetic phenomena accompanied with a reification of the inner I, he is eventually creating a regressive thoughtform.

Not at all. The predatory-warrior mind is not regressive, it's not a primitive mind. It's the much more intelligent and powerful primordial mind and it's the mind that can lead one to immortality and enlightenment. The true very regressive mind is the spiritually castrated modern mind which is falsely believed to be "cultured" and "enlightened" and "evolved" which of course if all nonsense. It's exactly the opposite, altought modern normal humans are not able to perceive, understand or relate to this on any level. And thus without the primordial predatory-warrior mind they will never be vampires or attain immortality, but that's ok.

He has you project out negative energy and then breathe it back in which is a ridiculous and innefficient rigmarole.
The feeding on a crowd's 'negative energy' and then storing it below the navel is not part of an alchemical process that builds a higher subtle body.

You can get energy from anywhere and anything, no matter the energy. It doesn't matter if it's a vampire victim or negative energy you feel. It's the exercises and the intent behind them that matters. Real vampires don't need to feed as they are immortal, but a lot still do for pleasure or whatever reason they might have, and there can be an endless amount of different reasons. You also don't need to suck in negative energy to attain immortality or do the alchemical work, but it can nevertheless be a helpful technique for whatever reason you might perceive.

In truth esoteric 'vampirism' in its highest sense is extremely well hidden, and there isn't a book out there that discusses it.

Yes and no. What most fail to realize that vampirism and vampires are connected to proper spiritual practices and realizations that go far beyond silly pacts with entities and sucking someones energy with a tendril. Vampirism is about achieving Gnosis and REAL spiritual immortality and completing the Great Alchemical Work, so one needs to not only astral project and vampirize victims but also look into teachings that can guide you to your true self and the true nature of reality. The awakening of your spirit and consciousness are more important than the low level vampire stuff everyone only cares about. Even Draculas attire or the usual vampire colors of Black, White and Red tell you that vampirism is related to Alchemy and it's stages of Nigredo, Albedo, Rubedo. So it's kinda well hidden, but actually it's not as everyone can access all those teachings nowadays and put all the pieces of the puzzle together themselves.

John Kreiter is just another offshoot of the Castenada club, he is one of those who just wants to be another author and fake teacher like castenada and make money with his incomplete teachings that he gobbled up somewhere else in books and on the internet but he doesn't seem very genuine. He just puts his own little gimmicks and spins which he made up, and you can recognize his bullshit easily if you read his books. He tries to convince you that the philosophers stone is a bundle of energy in your stomach and fills most of his books and articles which countless repetitions, inane babblings and endless ramblings with how "words fail", yet he is the master of useless words. He also blocks and censors comments on his site if he doesn't like them or if you mention another author like him from the same current (Mikal Nygth for example).
His early books, his foundational work, is surprisingly solid however and can be useful to provide you with fundamental techniques and mindsets. Mainly "Out of body experiences, quickly and naturally", "Vampires way to psychic self-defense" and maybe even "Overcoming the archon through alchemy". He did a decent job there, but after that the spiritual inspiration left him.

I also realized that it's quite the trend now to publish limited money-grabbing "vampire grimoires" for 99$ or more. Everyone and their grandmothers can do it and more and more are getting published but of course they are all more or less the same trash, and none of them will really help one to become immortal or a real vampire. Because only what's eternal is real, so only what's spiritual is real, and those books don't teach you real spirituality.

 

[Morell]

I've been practicing his techniques for about a decade now and can attest they work.


I think you missed a step. You're supposed to convert the energy within your own body, not just draw it in. It's not about soaking up negativity, it's about... Well, in practice, it looks like finding silver linings in things. You know how people complain about things habitually, just as a way of making conversation? The conversion of negative to positive is what happens on a subtle level when on the obvious level you are engaging with those complaints non-typically (i.e not "yes and"ing them or offering your own complaints, but instead asking questions about the complaint and surrounding circumstances to turn the complaint into an ordinary conversation). Kreiter gives guidelines on the subtle aspects, so I feel like explaining what it actually looks like to an observer would be helpful.

Hmmm. you are right, kind of. I actually assumed that the "converting" happens automaticaly.

 

[moonbow]

Hmmm. you are right, kind of. I actually assumed that the "converting" happens automaticaly.

With the way he teaches it is supposed to happen automatically. You just have to have the right mindset of the energy "converting" automatically as soon as you lead it into your lower dantian where you store it. With his predatory "energy is just energy" mindset there should be an automatic process in place. In the same manner as when a vampire drains the astral blood of a human, with a real vampire mindset there should be no need to consciously filter or convert it as it all happens automatically inside your system. It's usually beginner alchemists/vampires who worry about absorbing trash, getting some sort of astral STD or negative karma (karma isn't real) and converting energy into whatever else...when in fact energy is just energy and your mind and will controlls it. I think in that book he does teach it properly.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Not at all. The pre

Yes and no. What most fail to realize that vampirism and vampires are connected to proper spiritual practices and realizations that go far beyond silly pacts with entities and sucking someones energy with a tendril. Vampirism is about achieving Gnosis and REAL spiritual immortality and completing the Great Alchemical Work, so one needs to not only astral project and vampirize victims

You contradicted yourself. First you say vampires don't need to feed, then you say 'one needs to not only...vampirize victims'. At best that can get some people a sustained astral body. That isn't the magnum opus.

What I was alluding to is that true immortality - that is, the creation of a higher subtle body- in part involves the 'vampirization' of one's own thoughts, emotions, surrounding thoughtforms and more. This is not taught anywhere, and I doubt more than a dozen people on the planet even practice it properly. You certainly won't find it in any book.

Even Draculas attire or the usual vampire colors of Black, White and Red tell you that vampirism is related to Alchemy and it's stages of Nigredo, Albedo, Rubedo. So it's kinda well hidden, but actually it's not as everyone can access all those teachings nowadays and put all the pieces of the puzzle together themselves.

lol come on, Bram Stoker was hardly some kind of adept, if you know anything at all about his actual life.

And the true core of the inner self is pure, self-sustaining power. It's not some biological or astral predatory compulsion. They are quite distinct.

 

[Morell]

lol come on, Bram Stoker was hardly some kind of adept, if you know anything at all about his actual life.

And the true core of the inner self is pure, self-sustaining power. It's not some biological or astral predatory compulsion. They are quite distinct.

We are getting little off topic here, bat Dracula of Bram stocker was in black clothes only. Dracula here is rather later understanding of him that evolved from it.

 

[moonbow]

You contradicted yourself. First you say vampires don't need to feed, then you say 'one needs to not only...vampirize victims'. At best that can get some people a sustained astral body. That isn't the magnum opus.

Yes I formulated that in a unfortunate way. Those who still need to feed in order to survive or prolong their existence are still bound by the illusions of linear time and death. That's not real immortality. But you may feed while you are getting there there and maybe even in order to get there. I'm no one to say you shouldn't feed or can't feed, especially not to a vampire.

And the true core of the inner self is pure, self-sustaining power. It's not some biological or astral predatory compulsion. They are quite distinct.

Yes, in fact an immortal can be rightfully called a "power". Also I wasn't talking about any kind of compulsion. The primordial mind doesn't suffer from compulsions. There may be some things about Dracula that may seem wrong or unenlightened on the surface level (keep in minds the books and movies need to be made in such a way that they can sell to normal humans), for example the misunderstanding that he compulsory "needs" to feed or that something silly like sunlight, a cross or the stake can kill him. But I think there are more genuine teachings underlying the story, and Stoker didn't have to be an real adept to learn some stuff and hide it in his work or to be used by higher powers as a medium to bring forth the teachings even if he himself didn't realize it. Draculas death for example might be the final act of setting him free from his old body and from the material human realm. This is not the evil guy being defeated by the good guys, this is the immortal attaining his final liberation.

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What I was alluding to is that true immortality - that is, the creation of a higher subtle body- in part involves the 'vampirization' of one's own thoughts, emotions, surrounding thoughtforms and more. This is not taught anywhere, and I doubt more than a dozen people on the planet even practice it properly. You certainly won't find it in any book.

While you are right of course I do think that this is where Kreiters book is leading to. You are not only sucking back in energy. When you remember to use the technique, your consciousness awakens, you remember yourself more and you automatically control your thoughts and emotions. You not only vampirize back the negative energy as he describes, you also vampirize your own emotions and thoughts as you have said. It's not like he actually has you project energy out first, that's not in the book at all, rather you take control asap if you start experiencing something.

 

[Beyond Everything]

It's not like he actually has you project energy out first, that's not in the book at all, rather you take control asap if you start experiencing something.

Yes he does. I just looked at it-

You start by doing some reverse breathing to stop any more energy from flaring out of your body. You then begin to visualize all the negative energy that you have already expelled from yourself, as a big dark cloud all around you.When you feel that you have a good focus on this dark energy that you expelled, you affirm (silently in your mind or out loud if you are alone), "I take this energy back into myself'. Using the focusing power of this affirmation, you concentrate on reverse breathing and visualizing yourself sucking all of this negative imagery back into yourself

Elsewhere in the book -as I noted before- he says not experiencing an emotion fully can make you develop ill health (totally wrong). He doesn't know what he is talking about. His methods are primitive, as he relies on breathing when there are much higher aspects of the energy/consciousness system to work with. That's one reason his methods are not alchemically potent, but are just good for feeling better and getting more of the crudest sorts of energies.

 

[moonbow]

He doesn't know what he is talking about.

I honestly do not like John Kreiter and I often got that same feeling with his stuff and while I probably could write up quite a bit what I think is wrong with his stuff (and his character) I do not really see a problem with this specific teaching.
In this teaching he assumes you are already projecting energy out or you are feeling others energy, in that case you reabsorb it back. He does not instruct you to project energy out on purpose. Keep in mind that is a very simple beginner book so naturally he expects the reader to not be so advanced already as to never project energy out. The same goes for breathing, he wants a beginner to start with the support of breathing (just like most of the generic vampire techniques in the LHP) but he also states in one of his magnum-opus books I believe that when you get more advanced you can and should absorb energy without the aid of breathing, just with the power of your mind alone.

I think you might mean that he has you project energy out first by having you visualize the energy around you but for me that's not so much of a problem and it won't make you project a lot of energy out. It's probably necessary for beginners to practice like this before they can reabsorb it without having to visualize it. You may think you are projecting energy out and creating it when you visualize it but from his perspective you unconsciously already projected out much more energy from your emotions and tension so it's not a big deal to visualize a little bit in order to help shift your focus and reabsorb more.

But honestly now I think I'm going to deeply into defending this guys stuff altought I don't really care to. It's only because I feel the teachings are alright.

getting more of the crudest sorts of energies.

For me reality clearly consists of only 3 components:
-Spirit, the Red one, pre-heaven, the point of stillness, that which is eternal. Concoiusness, the true self.
-Matter, the black stuff. It's black because dark matter, the fundamental matter is often seen as black.
-Energy, the white stuff. It's white because energy is also light and is often regarded as white.
Matter and Energy are both "post-heaven" and are considered to be not eternal. (You may again discover the three colors of alchemy) Together those 3 make up all of existence, the whole cosmos, the astral planes and all of the dimensions as far as I know at this point. Matter can also be regarded as energy that's why there is black in the white and white in the black, they are essentially the same.
"Crude" energies vs higher energies and all that stuff just seems like unnecessary roleplay to me. Of course there are variations and different makeups of the same stuff but essentially it's all the same. Why worry about absorbing crude energies? There is only energy, and your system with your mind/will takes care of it. This is where I tend to agree with Kreiter. And part of enlightenment and getting more powerful is realizing exactly that imo.

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Something else came to mind. Immortals do fully realize that space is not actually real so they don't need to pull energy in from somewhere "outside themselves" because there isn't really an outside. But nobody who reads those books is on that level. Those books are not for immortals or those who already "completed" the Magnum Opus. Beginners need to start somewhere on a lower level.

 

[Morell]

Thinking this through, Projecting negative energy... I think I lean towards what @Beyond Everything says that it is wrong approach.

The point is, I'm myself not fan of "fake it till you make it" approach. When you imagine a sigil, you are indeed forming it in your mind but for a purpose to create it, to create something new. But when you project or imagine energy around you in order to find that energy for real, it doesn't feel like a way to go. We need to be honest and try to see things as they are, not as we want them to be. In this case it indeed means not to try ti imagine energy for it to be there, but to try to sense to see if it even is there in the first place.

Though I must admit that this is developing into quite interesting discussion.

 

[moonbow]

Thinking this through, Projecting negative energy... I think I lean towards what @Beyond Everything says that it is wrong approach.

The point is, I'm myself not fan of "fake it till you make it" approach. When you imagine a sigil, you are indeed forming it in your mind but for a purpose to create it, to create something new. But when you project or imagine energy around you in order to find that energy for real, it doesn't feel like a way to go. We need to be honest and try to see things as they are, not as we want them to be. In this case it indeed means not to try ti imagine energy for it to be there, but to try to sense to see if it even is there in the first place.

Well that of course means that you have enlightened sufficently to move on to more advanced stages and can finally leave this beginner technique behind. But I believe you liked the book for a while, so it has served it's purpose anyway. This is exactly what must happen I believe.

Though I must admit that this is developing into quite interesting discussion.

I think I've written up everything there was to write for me and I'm basically done here. One more thing, about not experiencing an emotion can make you develop ill health, maybe he's talking about energy blockages or whatever. According to him you must not try to stop or supress it by force but instead start reabsorbing as soon as possible which will make it stop in a natural way because the energy behind it runs out. I don't know if that's good or bad, but you can also do what W.W.A. teaches and transmute any emotion into another or neutralize it by the power of your will alone. If you feel sad, just turn the sadness into happiness. If you feel love, turn the love into hate using your mind and will. This is Alchemy according to WWA.