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Jungian Individuation, or How Not to be a Space(d) Monkey

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Okay, what Jung called' Individuation' magic folks tend to call 'Initiation', even while the word has multiple meanings.

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But the good news (and localizing some of his language for more occulty folks) Jung said LIFE ITSELF leads to Individuation. You're already in the initiation. Every crisis, every neurosis, every inexplicable attraction or repulsion — that's the unconscious (in my mythic metaphors "Hell", the Underworld ) knocking.

Jung said Individuation as something life does to us rather than something we need to initiate through specialized practices. The unconscious keeps presenting us with material, life keeps throwing us into situations that demand integration, and we're constantly being forced to reckon with parts of ourselves we'd rather ignore. That's the initiation happening, and we signed up for it when we decided to be born here on this Beautiful Late-Stage Capitalist Hellscape.

This work is messier and slower: sitting with your shadow, your wounds, you trauma, your unlived potential. Living through your contradictions rather than transcending them.

From a healing perspective never never make your past personal trauma part of your own permanent mythic narrative.

Do Mitch's '30-Day Mental Challenge' and turn down the noise from your past, your parents, the assholes who did you wrong, or 'The Burning Times' you never experienced.
 

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Jung said Individuation as something life does to us rather than something we need to initiate through specialized practices. The unconscious keeps presenting us with material, life keeps throwing us into situations that demand integration, and we're constantly being forced to reckon with parts of ourselves we'd rather ignore. That's the initiation happening, and we signed up for it when we decided to be born here on this Beautiful Late-Stage Capitalist Hellscape.

This work is messier and slower: sitting with your shadow, your wounds, you trauma, your unlived potential. Living through your contradictions rather than transcending them.
Life Itself is the Initiatrix, giving us the alchemy we need to lead us to our Perfected Self. This is precisely why we should trample occult-flavoured fantasies under hoof with ruthlessness. They get in the way of real Work.

An insightful and provocative post. More of this is welcome and needed.
 

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100% agreed!

Modern occultism has needed some serious unpacking for the 10 seconds it's been around. . Shoving it all under the word 'magic' just encourages mass ontological hallucination, and nominal solutionism.

When I use the word " magic" I usually only mean for sorcery. Spiritual elevation I file under Mysticism and Mystical Theology, and I have other practices for those. Both are great , but post Reformation and post 1899, something happened to confuse the two.

I've been mapping WTF happened to "Magic" post 1899 for a few years. While some of the practices have great use, most the categories are made up modern New Age ideas .

Take MacGregor Mathers. Stephen Skinner said Mather loved and used the grimoires, but also gave us a very useful, if Neo-Theosophical, construct in the Golden Dawn, which is much closer to Chaos Magic than people realize (and I love Chaos Magic, so no slam).

Move from Crowley,. I blame much of the New Age neo-Wiccanisms on Gerald Gardner, who made up paganized New Thought by taking American Mind Mysticism and smushing it together with Victorian pastoral poetry and academic consensus hallucination to make up Wicca.

I admit I'm low-level irritated by this - he appropriated the tools of what is MY STUFF, Goetia, and used smeared it over the top of his New Thought techniques. I dislike it mostly becsue it range-limits people and makes them arrogant . It's all window dressing to jazz up flagging Brit imaginations. (Again, from a New Thought perspective, rock on! Great stuff). The addition of bottom paddling was his kink.

The "confusing the planes" happened ways back with Theosophy, but was compounded but it just gotten worse since hen . Now when someone uses the word "magic" to "explain" or categorize a complex field or phenomenon, but then indexes ideas and practices that don't actually map onto most of what historically they're trying to describe... I think, " Hmm, commercialized self-important shenanigans are afoot."

I did not care for many years, but in the past decade it gotten baaaaaad.

You can tell when they treat the word as if the very naming something constitutes understanding it or solving it - when really they've just created is a semantic illusion.

Then comes the ontological misdirection. By invoking "Magic" and or even "occultism - even more vague - " without presenting any defintions, but some obvious new halluciations, they paint a picture of a fake unity or simplicity to what's actually quite complex , with a specific lineage.

Again, I love much of the new stuff, but it's mostly stolen valor, taking Traditional Western Magic and Sorcery (nee" Witchcraft") and piggybacking on practtices their's have no real connection to. And i think they actually make it harder for newcomers.

Not that Western Magic is without it's own skeletons, but if is looks like Neo-Theosophy fundamentally , then it IS Neo-Theosophy, no matter how they dress it up, or until their clarify their terms more accurately... or even at all.
 

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From a healing perspective never never make your past personal trauma part of your own permanent mythic narrative.

I wholeheartedly agree. I think this is in large part why modern psychotherapy has such a miserable success rate - it reinforces and strengthens the enfeebled narrative of being a passive by-product of the past, rather than an active agent of the future.

For similar reasons, I have a polarizing love-hate relationship with astrology. I recall watching an interview with Robert Hand who mentioned he had a client once - as he was trying to explain that the soul is much more than just the natal chart, she broke down in tears; out of joy, for having relinquished the chains of the mythic narrative she had entangled herself in. What a burden to be relieved of!

On the other hand, I do find there to be an incredible value in understanding the forces that makes up ones psyche and having a language to navigate the terrain; the map is not the territory of course, but helpful nonetheless, as long as one doesn't mistake the finger for the moon.

I like the analogy that each planet is like an organ, and having a strong heart does not compensate for a weak liver - the chain is only as strong as the weakest link. Naturally, we tend to utilize our strengths double time in order to compensate for our weaknesses. This also manifests itself in occultism, where one may feel a sense of superiority, this "magical elitism", being exalted over "mundane people" and "non-initiates", precisely because one feels strong here and think this strength naturally translates to other fields, or compensates for their underdevelopment.

I suspect this is a peculiar influence of Saturn, who is said to rule over Occultism in general. Having an influx of Saturnian rays naturally leads to isolation, melancholy, aloofness, detachment, an excessive concern with theological speculations and metaphysical narratives. Many ascetic traditions pride themselves on this influence, but I think if one is not made of that black cloth relinquishing the world that one needs some life giving colours to tamper it.

Mundane work is an essential part of that equation. But mundane work with style methinks.

I've always liked the idea of Plato's "Poetic Frenzy" - to get away from the graveyard of ones mind and the spectres that haunts it, that rigid, monotonous tyranny of logical thinking, and living life in a state of subtle ecstasy where the cosmos one inhabits feels alive, animated and talking back
 

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Brilliant, Nerone!

I'm going to be sitting with that all day. Thank you.

Right right! Totally agreed! The danger of a bad story is being stuck in the story. Bad things do happen , we need a way to identify them when they happen. but also get out of them, and not reinforce those patterns we've now reinforcing by paying attention to the patterns with our very Divine and Creative Imagination.

As magicians, we mythologize our iteration with the 'The Mystery' ( My name for Buddhist 'Suchness' / The Neoplatoic One / the Ain Soph / Infinite Consciousness / The Gnostic Uncreated Father), but after they get written down we often mistake the map for the territory. I did that too way back when. Occult stories are just so damn colorful.

And need these myths as tools to get useful handles on it all, for the spirits to use to take forms for our interaction with them , but then the Ape of Thoth follows the God of Magic, Thoth around, writes down enough of the Mystery to sandbag everyone permanently inside his little cage. :cry:
 

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Okay, what Jung called' Individuation' magic folks tend to call 'Initiation', even while the word has multiple meanings.

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But the good news (and localizing some of his language for more occulty folks) Jung said LIFE ITSELF leads to Individuation. You're already in the initiation. Every crisis, every neurosis, every inexplicable attraction or repulsion — that's the unconscious (in my mythic metaphors "Hell", the Underworld ) knocking.

Jung said Individuation as something life does to us rather than something we need to initiate through specialized practices. The unconscious keeps presenting us with material, life keeps throwing us into situations that demand integration, and we're constantly being forced to reckon with parts of ourselves we'd rather ignore. That's the initiation happening, and we signed up for it when we decided to be born here on this Beautiful Late-Stage Capitalist Hellscape.

This work is messier and slower: sitting with your shadow, your wounds, you trauma, your unlived potential. Living through your contradictions rather than transcending them.

From a healing perspective never never make your past personal trauma part of your own permanent mythic narrative.

Do Mitch's '30-Day Mental Challenge' and turn down the noise from your past, your parents, the assholes who did you wrong, or 'The Burning Times' you never experienced.
Thanks for that. Also, cool movie, watched it today. It's good.

What I miss here is the effect the School system has on us all. Not only we have problem with desire to follow authority, but this desire is in fact programed and strengthened in us for years at school. Practically everyone who properly goes to school, elementary and high, spends over a decade learning to sit down and do as authority says. No wonder that afterwards we find such environment acceptable, it is something we actually know and were trained for.

There is definitely something about school systems being developed for factory workers, being trained to obey the bell, calling the start and end of work. No questioning. (Teacher is always right, deal with it, that's how it works, Teacher gives grades) No creative thinking. (ony one way, that the teacher dictates)

True it teaches us to read, write, and count, but beyond that School has little value, or at least it isn't giving what it could give us...

And if you go out of school creativity dead, dreams forgotten, etc... well you get a job you don't like but no idea how to get the job you like, because you are not programmed to seek a dream, you are programmed to shut your brain and work till the shift ends. So a charismatic cult leader who seem to have that individuality we lost at school is someone people are willing to follow.

30 days challenge is good idea, but I think that one should do it alone, if it is supposed to mean achieving individuality.
 

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Man, good thoughts, Morell. More stuff for me to sit with.

I'm a professional artist and creative. I have no idea how I escaped the US education system except having a rich inner life going into it. I can thank my father for that, for reading me sci-fi bedtime stories as a little tyke.

To tie it into the conversation above, and Models-That-Bind would say it's because I have Saturn, Neptune , Jupiter, Mercury , and my Sun in a couple of Grand Water Trines, but that is just Fate (the time I choose to be born) , but that is just some stats on the character sheet of this character I'm playing as. Reality is way more felixible.

I really dislike shallow divination as being far too limiting and deterministic to be useful for folks. If you encode those in your subconsious then go way way deep into it. . Astrological magic takes these archetypal patterns (which I am not convinced totally exist outside of Human Mythic Space) and balances them out through talismans, spirits,and other rituals
 

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Fight Club is explained by Rene Girard's theory of Mimetic Desire quite well. It's a cleaner and better fit than all the connections being woven in the Space Monkey video. People desire what they see others desiring. The protagonist admits to desiring the objects of upper middle class consumerist lifestyle before his disillusionment. Mimesis operates on the peer level most strongly, which fits with the human tendency to adhere to class structures. This also relates to the mob mentality as long as the object of desire can be shared by many without rivalry. Mimetic contagion happens, and we as individuals do not actually recognize its operation in our common affairs. We want what we see other people want, and we are ironically convinced that what we want is our own self-motivated desire.

The protagonist at first seeks solace among society's victims. Girard states, "The unique character of modern times is revealed in the fact that, in the competition for public opinion, the position of the victim is now the most desirable. It is no longer the ancient posture of a suppliant struggling to arouse pity, but a claim for legal and even extra-legal rights." - p 108, Job: The Victim of His People

There is some irony that in the movie support groups exist for countless maladies, except insomnia! He is reduced to the passive role of the 'tourist' in all the groups he attends, but he can cope as long as he gets his dose of catharsis. He sees himself as a victim and desires the object of victimhood that the support groups model. Along comes Marla. She is also a 'tourist' and becomes a mimetic rival to the protagonist. She sees herself as a victim, too, but again there is no specific support group for her. Furthermore, she models an honesty that the protagonist cannot allow himself. She clearly doesn't care that she doesn't belong in the support groups. Her freedom from shame stirs up a righteous indignation in the protagonist that he can do nothing about because of his own hypocrisy. In this case of mimetic rivalry, they strike a deal.

The "space monkeys'" desire for freedom from the greater society causes them to "latch onto" the apparently self-actualized man who models such freedom, effectively exchanging one form of slavery for another. Yet without understanding the nature of mimesis, they "latch onto" the one they see as more powerful, placing him in a higher class. The nameless protagonist desires the admiration that Tyler generates in others which initiates a mimetic rivalry. Mimetic conflict occurs most easily among those of the same class, and the protagonist sees himself on the same level as Tyler with respect to the founding of Fight Club. The protagonist considers himself above the "space monkeys" because he perceives a special relationship with Tyler, and in his own way Tyler acknowledges this fact.

All the mumbo-jumbo about death in the video above is merely a distraction for what actually motivates the characters in Fight Club. Except for Robert Paulson. He becomes an model of desire upon his death, which is very useful to the cult mentality being cultivated by Tyler. Only through death do they get their names, their individuality back. The desire for freedom was subverted into loss of individuality. At the critical moment of doubt upon Robert's death, a new subversion is introduced: freedom through death.

Tyler wants to blow up the banks so that people can be "free". Where does Tyler's desire come from. Who is the model of his desire? It's clear from the movie that Tyler already does what he wants whether or not there are banks, police, corporations, governments. We're never given any specific details. The protagonist on the other hand wants to prevent Tyler's plan from coming to fruition. His desires have been modeled by the greater society that he was raised in, the very same society which made him into a consumer working for a corrupt car company. On the surface, he cares about the value of human life and private property, but the movie shows in a subversive way that the system he is part of allows violence and destruction to the extent that it doesn't interfere with corporate profits. It is a veneer of morality and ethics.

Girard's theory states that the conflicts or scandals induced by competing desires escalate into a war of all against all until things reach a state of crisis. At this point the scapegoat mechanism triggers a war of all against one. The destruction of the one (or group) consumes the energy built up in the community, creating a catharsis that restores peace for a period of time. The protagonist's 'war' with Tyler results in a catharsis, but the movie subverts the process. The scapegoat only appeared to exist in the protagonist's mind. He was his own object of desire and his own enemy as well.

Such is the nature of mimetic desire. It is a stupidly ingenious trap that can cause misfortune under the most diverse circumstances, so much so that it seems beyond human capacities. The semi-clever prefer not to acknowledge it, considering such simplicity an insult to their intelligence (that simplicity, however, is in the service of a certain complexity). They consider it to be nonexistent, illusory, and common knowledge since the foundation of the world. - Rene Girard
 

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Jung ruined magick and alchemy. He appropriated Hermetic tradition and materialized it in the worst possible way with all his "archetypes" and "It's all in the human mind brooo" nonsense, and he corrupted the alchemical path of transformation by removing spagyrics (the physical grounding of the whole system that makes the spiritual part have an observable corollary) and made it entirely a mental game of "Actualizing your potential" and "individuation" (whatever the fuck that means, which, nobody really does. Ask a Jungian psychologist sometime, as I have).

Jungianism is just another Modernist cult on a level with Scientology. His disciples and their hangers-on elevated him to the level of deity and he essentially serves as a replacement, ersatz, Christ. A friend of many years went to the leading university in America, if not the world, for the study of Jungian depth-psychology. I asked him over drinks one day what individuation actually is, and if it can be done without going to a therapist. He wouldn't say either way whether it can or should be done without visiting a Jungian psychologist, and the platitudes he gave in reply to my inquiry as to what individuation means and when it is accomplished (I've even seen references to reincarnation being necessary for individuation in discussions among devout Jungians) cemented my lack of respect for that entire system. If you can't define what the cornerstone of your entire system of thought is in its substance, or else how you can tell you've "made it," you have a cult in the worst possible meaning meant to ensnare the gullible. Mysteries belong to religious systems, not psychology.
 

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KjEno186, phenomenal post!!

Now I have to read René Girard more. I've never read his work except though other people interpretations. .

Peter Thiel was his student and he - a truly Dark Wizard if there ever was one - used his model of Mimetic Desire to weaponize our desire on social media. The idea, if I understand it, desire being fickle, eventually the masses will turn on their leaders, so best to keep the Simulacrum running and them chasing digital bonbons on the electronic screens. In game design we call that Dark Design.

On the sorcery front, totally agreed, Corundum!

In reality Jung is closer to us magicians than he let on. And then add on Crowley's heroin-fueled inanities about demons being "parts of the human brain" just ignorant rubbish. Neoplatonism models the mix of thought-beings and our thoughts better, btw.

Now, I actually feel reality runs on Beauty and Desire, with a layer of intellectualism over it. All these are tools to give us a little more free will. So Jung is still useful to unpack ourselves at our more instinctual level. And avoid projecting our shit too much onto the universe unconsciously. I mean we already do, so reality is kind of what we make it. The more current Jungians make it all about biology and instincts-shape-personality. While also not 100% accurate at least it's not bleeding over into our esoteric models as much.

If we look for a time when the Space Monkey (with Mimetic Desire) played out write large, without making it about politics, look at the second Bush Administration during the Iraq war.

Donald Rumsfeld basally ran scripts of weaponized Jung. Look at the imagery and coded language. They were designed to create images and feeling in people's mental-emotional selves that he, Bush, Cheney, Rice, that they only they, are the only Heroes on the Archetypal Hero's Journey. And if you didn't support their warmongering, and grift, well, you were just an undifferentiated mass of useless protoplasm. And it worked for what seemed like ages. But Desire being Desire, it eventually shifted .
 

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In reality Jung is closer to us magicians than he let on. And then add on Crowley's heroin-fueled inanities about demons being "parts of the human brain" just ignorant rubbish. Neoplatonism models the mix of thought-beings and our thoughts better, btw.

Crowley, in that phase of his life, was influenced by William James' Varieties of Religious Experience, as was Carl Jung, and the majority of English speaking intellectuals. Intelligent men of the late 19th/early 20th centuries tended to have a very hard time with the objective existence of anything numinous, so Crowley had embraced the model that was in vogue at that time, which he was probably introduced to by Mathers and other members of the Golden Dawn. Crowley eventually went back on all that silliness after actually succeeding in evocation by conjuring Bartzabel. Jung never got that far.

Also the heroin ad hominum attack is inaccurate. He was prescribed it for a lung condition, as was common in those days, and unfortunately became addicted to it. He wasn't even on heroin when he wrote that stupid essay, since he hadn't been put on it until his 40s in 1919.
 

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Hmm.. a worse drug than heroin?! Cocaine then?

Half-joking but I tend agree. He was trying to be what the Brits call "clever-clever" - or too smart for your own good, where your brain turns into an Oroborus eating itself. And he was playing to the consensus opinion of those times for clout. He really wanted to keep his work in print by being famous, so not a terrible strategy to play to your audience.

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Peter Thiel was his student
I have read this as well. Other than passages in Luke Burgis' book, Wanting, and a few online references portraying Thiel in a negative way, I don't know much about him. Thiel's politics and business have not been a factor in my reading of Girard's work. I do know that Girard was critical of Freud and Jung. Many will criticize Girard for his seemingly Christian perspective. In fact Girard picks apart biblical books, pointing out the contradictions in the stories themselves and failures in modern translations to convey the concepts of the original writers with clarity. They often translate what they think it should say, which can change the intent of the original writers. Girard states that some passages may aspire to higher ideals than others, but it is not the word of an infallible deity. Girard is not a fundamentalist by any means. Ignore Thiel and just read Girard's work.
 

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No no! I don't hold Darth Thiel against Girard . I wasn't trying to imply guilt by association with a Sith Lord. :)

And I happen to like many Christian thinkers and mystics. I feel you should judge any religion by it's spiritual butterflies and not it's usually more numerous caterpillars.
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Another thought.

Yo know, if we think of Thiel as weaponizing desire into his own oligarchic-benefiting Dark Designs he gets from reading René Girard, then there's also what we might call the 'weaponization of fear' , as per Hannah Arendt's points on the Banality of Evil.

Mattias Desmet, was all over the place a few years ago during the mass pandemic hysteria. He's a Belgian psych professor and his Mass Formation theory proposes societal anxieties provoke aligned "radical intolerance" among a populace. Plenty of Sith lords through history have used our instinctual need for safety and security against us.

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