Kids problems in school...

[Morell]

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This isn't ne sided problem and not of all the kids everywhere. (thanks god) I do know that there is also other side pointing that Schools are not preparing us well on life, that we are wasting time there, I'm on this one too, I learned some essentials and beyond that to turn on recorder of whatever teacher is saying and then draw doodles. But here on the video this is about the essentials. Reading, writing, thinking... apparently.

It's not only in USA, I was surprised that in Europe we have lower but similar problems. Kids are not getting dumer, but they are less brain active or whatever...

But it leads to some crazy thoughts:
These kids who cannot do anything but scroll, they will be next age of neandhrtals, who will get things done with rocks and maces, because they might never be able to work a job, so danger of criminality.

In one or two generations, Africa might start sending pastors to America to build schools to educate these primitives. (this one is really crazy, but realistic, actually. Though it will rather be China, Russia or maybe EU...)

Maybe the worldwide ban of physical punishments for kids will have to go, because it is starting to be obvious that we are not able to raise kids without them.

 

[Yazata]

Elephant in the room is of course that people coming to a country aren't encouraged to learn the language. Free money anyway so why bother. Kids learn from their parents.

 

[Morell]

... Kids learn from their parents.

Indeed.

 

[Baelia]

I teach in public K-12. It's really, really rough out here. Solutions are obvious, simple, and cheap but it is insane the amount of bullshit there is that gets in the way. I'm moving states next school year to see if there's any hope left, but I don't know. Trying to stay positive, but it is incredibly sad.

 

[voidcat]

I teach in public K-12. It's really, really rough out here. Solutions are obvious, simple, and cheap but it is insane the amount of bullshit there is that gets in the way. I'm moving states next school year to see if there's any hope left, but I don't know. Trying to stay positive, but it is incredibly sad.

Ill have to move out of NC. I been told by numerous teachers to not teach here.

 

[Morell]

I teach in public K-12. It's really, really rough out here. Solutions are obvious, simple, and cheap but it is insane the amount of bullshit there is that gets in the way. I'm moving states next school year to see if there's any hope left, but I don't know. Trying to stay positive, but it is incredibly sad.

Sad to hear it to be a fact. Hope you can hold on.

Is it true that teachers are indeed quitting because they cannot handle it anymore?

 

[voidcat]

Sad to hear it to be a fact. Hope you can hold on.

Is it true that teachers are indeed quitting because they cannot handle it anymore?

Where i live its true. Its because of poor work life balance, burnout, poor pay, awful parents, and political pressures

 

[Baelia]

Sad to hear it to be a fact. Hope you can hold on.

Is it true that teachers are indeed quitting because they cannot handle it anymore?

Absolutely, yes. And people don't like to admit it, but the kids' behavior and lack of necessary knowledge are a huge part of it. You can't teach middle school ELA/History/Math/Science if the kids don't know how to read/what country they live in/how to multiply/what electricity is. It's very strange how aggressively Math and ELA are being pushed and the kids still know nothing because they were rushed through so many basic concepts in elementary.
Ugh, there's so much more, I could go on. I really wish people outside the system knew more about what's going down. And I wish we valued education and knowledge more.

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Where i live its true. Its because of poor work life balance, burnout, poor pay, awful parents, and political pressures

Yep. I'm planning a move to a place that actually pays a bit less, but ranks higher in education than we do. People seem happier there, I'm hoping it'll be worth it. Most of the problems will still be there, but gotta try before giving up.

 

[Ohana]

Do you know why the worldwide ban was enforced? I think I know why. Its because if you accidentally hurt a kids brain then they might never be able to learn again.

The use of force is dangerous. I was accidentally hit in with a golf club to the back of my head by a kid. I am very thankful I have not suffered long term behavioral issues. After I was hit to the brain though I might have preformed less well in school.

No adults thought to get my brain scanned so I don't know but if it did then I might never have been able to learn normally again.

Once people learned about brain development and how fragile and important the brain is we stopped using that type of punishment. If a teacher accidentally used that type of punishment and accidentally hit a kids head then the behavioral issues and learning problems could worsen from that one accident. It is too risky.

Kids I think should just have more consequences for their actions. Kids are born and might not fully understand the world having consequences. So just teaching kids about consequences could help.

 

[voidcat]

Do you know why the worldwide ban was enforced? I think I know why. Its because if you accidentally hurt a kids brain then they might never be able to learn again.

The use of force is dangerous. I was accidentally hit in with a golf club to the back of my head by a kid. I am very thankful I have not suffered long term behavioral issues. After I was hit to the brain though I might have preformed less well in school.

No adults thought to get my brain scanned so I don't know but if it did then I might never have been able to learn normally again.

Once people learned about brain development and how fragile and important the brain is we stopped using that type of punishment. If a teacher accidentally used that type of punishment and accidentally hit a kids head then the behavioral issues and learning problems could worsen from that one accident. It is too risky.

Kids I think should just have more consequences for their actions. Kids are born and might not fully understand the world having consequences. So just teaching kids about consequences could help.

Its also because according to studies it could cause more behavioral problems in the long run. Spanking doesnt teach you properly. It just teaches you to fear the one hurting you and to hide secrets and wrongdoing. When something serious happens that needs an adult a child will not trust their parents if they are spanked


Also its not banned where I live in the US. Not completely. Parents spank their kids all the time. And our students act very badly. Most seem to have trauma. That seems to be most the behavior issues.

 

[Morell]

Do you know why the worldwide ban was enforced? I think I know why. Its because if you accidentally hurt a kids brain then they might never be able to learn again.

The use of force is dangerous. I was accidentally hit in with a golf club to the back of my head by a kid. I am very thankful I have not suffered long term behavioral issues. After I was hit to the brain though I might have preformed less well in school.

No adults thought to get my brain scanned so I don't know but if it did then I might never have been able to learn normally again.

Once people learned about brain development and how fragile and important the brain is we stopped using that type of punishment. If a teacher accidentally used that type of punishment and accidentally hit a kids head then the behavioral issues and learning problems could worsen from that one accident. It is too risky.

Kids I think should just have more consequences for their actions. Kids are born and might not fully understand the world having consequences. So just teaching kids about consequences could help.

I was speaking about punishment, not violence. Hitting the head with a golf club is nothing but violence.

Though even violence against a kid can be quite necessary. I did hit a kid in self defense. The pile of shit grabbed me by hair and wanted to pull me around. I stroke back and yelled at him to teach him that he crossed the line with me. Never had to do it again. No regret. Nobody makes a toy out of me. Period.

I disagree with you both on the ban. I do agree that moderation is needed, but ban has one huge issue. People know nothing else as effective... except i-pads and smartphones. And have a good luck with that. VoidCat is trained professional. These trained people do know how to be effective with the kids with other ways, you know the ways you spend years learning. Ban is useless, if people were educated on raising kids effectively as part of basic curriculum at the school, there would not even be a need for a ban. Without anything better to do, this ban only makes things worse for everyone.

 

[voidcat]

. VoidCat is trained professional. These trained people do know how to be effective with the kids with other ways, you know the ways you spend years learning. Ban is useless, if people were educated on raising kids effectively as part of basic curriculum at the school, there would not even be a need for a ban. Without anything better to do, this ban only makes things worse for everyone.

This will be long so bare with me if you actually want to learn and have time...

Problem is spanking is not effective. In the short run it seems to help. In the long run studies do show it causes tons of problems and it increases aggression, and anxiety in the child. Often the child just learns to hide bad behavior not correct it. Its not true discipline. True discipline would correct the source of the behavior and teach the child the proper way of handling things. I as a trained professional saw it all the time- the kids that are spanked the most are the most aggressive. They have not learned any other effective problem solving skills. Only I dont like this, so i must get violent to get what I want. That is what the parent is teaching. Kids modal behavior, and if the parent doesnt modal problem solving skills they wont learn it.

I agree with you on something here however. I been saying for a while now, parenting classes need to happen while in school or provide for free before adoption, fostering, or during pregnancy. Humans do not naturally know how to parent. We have very good methods, and we know what parenting styles work best according to studies and what makes things worse. But what works is not a style of parenting or teaching that comes naturally. And even if you are the best parent in the world you will at some point fuck up. Something you do will traumatize the kid. To be abusive depends on how badly you are to do so and how often.

Most of parenting and this is with teaching as well, falls into 3 categories when it comes to correcting behavior- firefighter(what most of dealing with behavior will fall into), abuser, and mentor(what you should strive for. Firefighter is you just managing the behavior in the moment. You arent helping or harming the kid just stopping the behavior at the time or reducing harm from it. Often you cant solve challenging behavior immediately it takes time, think how easily it is to change your own behavior when learning better habits. So you put out the fire and work on it later when the child is in a more teachable moment. Abuser is you cause some kind of harm to the situation or the child whether accidently or godforbid, on purpose. This category doesnt mean you are usually abusive or even want to be, keep in mind I didnt create the names for these categories. Every parent will at some point will cause harm to their child, it may be emotional, not necessarily physical, or they will do something that makes the situation worse unintentionally. Kids are hard it happens. Even the best parents fuck up. And teachers will fall into this category at some point if they deal with challenging behavior on the regular. The last category is what you strive for, the mentor. It is using the moment to teach and improve the child rather than later. Using the situation to your advantage and solving the issue at its source.

Im not trying to demonize parents or kids here. Parents tend to do what they were taught as kids and often arent exposed to better methods. It wasnt until recently children were seen as autonomous beings. Good discipline doesnt come easy and folk dont know spanking isnt good discpline. Kids are hard. I agree with you classes would help a lot.

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I was speaking about punishment, not violence. Hitting the head with a golf club is nothing but violence

I just realized you might think spanking is violence. If so ignore what I said there. Time outs are a form of physical punishment and they are often used in childcare. Theres debate in academic circles if its effective or not. Theres agreement however that it needs to be limited or it can traumatize the chikd and if the child is too young its not effective at all. Logical consequences are taught in my classes which is basically punishment. You give consquences that the child can logically connect to the behavior and thus learn its wrong. Example: child fights someone over a cookie they wanted. They hit them. Kid therefore cant have the cookie because they hit someone else. This logically follows and the child can connect it easier. Spanking isnt a form of logical consquence because the child doesnt connect it to the action. Just they did something wrong now they get hit. They wont remember why in the long run either.

 

[Morell]

Hard to believe, but you do know more about kids than I do...

 

[voidcat]

Hard to believe, but you do know more about kids than I do...

If you Google is spanking bad for kids you get a lot of information. This article here has a link to how it changes the brain and causes negative effects:

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This has been studied for decades by this point. We have countless studies on the topic. Overwhelming evidence points towards spanking causing more harm than being actually effective

 

[KjEno186]

Unpopular opinion coming in 3, 2, 1... Industrial-scale education serves the needs of the corporate state.

Parents are freed from child care to work jobs. Businesses profit from taxpayer money allotted to "education".

Teacher's unions become powerful political entities that can fund commercials like "This Is A Trusted Space" on network television.

Any perceived issue becomes a reason to spend more money on products and services promoted by corporations.

Buzz words like AI are used to promote "education that will prepare kids for the job market" despite the fact that the technology moves so quickly, nothing learned today will actually matter much in a few years.

Industrial scale education becomes a hyper-loop of complexity (a circle jerk in more vulgar terms) where various entities feed off of each other.

Finally, enough young people will succeed no matter what the environment may be that the system will congratulate itself for existing.

Those that fail will be an excuse to do more of the same even harder. "The beatings will continue until morale improves."

 

[Accipeveldare]

If you Google is spanking bad for kids you get a lot of information. This article here has a link to how it changes the brain and causes negative effects:

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This has been studied for decades by this point. We have countless studies on the topic. Overwhelming evidence points towards spanking causing more harm than being actually effective

I can second your point in spanking. As a child, i was spanked and even occasionally slapped very frequently. As i got older, i was very self aware, so i could see myself getting violent wayy too easy and i would participate in illegal behaviors like shoplifting, jumping people, etc. I knew it was wrong at the time, but i had no clue why i was doing it. I am of age now, and I have already linked it to the violence i experienced as a kid, and because of this, I have actually become a very reserved, quiet person as opposed to the violent, loud, and anxious one I was. I foujd quite a lot of peace from my realization.

 

[Morell]

Oh I agree... although the mass scale education doesn't even serve state and industry anymore, with exception for some jobs that need it. Doctors cannot be replaced easily... yet.

In fact we already need only few years of school, to master math, language or two and few practical skills. The rest is rather baggage. I think that even history is overtaught.. at elast the way it is taught it is not truly udnerstood... I'm still finding new info on that department, but it's just miles from what was in school.

I can second your point in spanking. As a child, i was spanked and even occasionally slapped very frequently. As i got older, i was very self aware, so i could see myself getting violent wayy too easy and i would participate in illegal behaviors like shoplifting, jumping people, etc. I knew it was wrong at the time, but i had no clue why i was doing it. I am of age now, and I have already linked it to the violence i experienced as a kid, and because of this, I have actually become a very reserved, quiet person as opposed to the violent, loud, and anxious one I was. I foujd quite a lot of peace from my realization.

Sorry to hear that you were so bad treated. Also the articles are cool, thanks @voidcat

I would dare to say that I was spanked just right mount. It didn't make me overreactive, but when I get in danger or something, I have enough of that monster within I can release to get out of trouble. Honestly for me the way I was raised feels very right. Guess that there were more aspects to it, like fishing, then killing, processing and eating the fish, etc... Don't know.

 

[Accipeveldare]

Oh I agree... although the mass scale education doesn't even serve state and industry anymore, with exception for some jobs that need it. Doctors cannot be replaced easily... yet.

In fact we already need only few years of school, to master math, language or two and few practical skills. The rest is rather baggage. I think that even history is overtaught.. at elast the way it is taught it is not truly udnerstood... I'm still finding new info on that department, but it's just miles from what was in school.


Sorry to hear that you were so bad treated. Also the articles are cool, thanks @voidcat

I would dare to say that I was spanked just right mount. It didn't make me overreactive, but when I get in danger or something, I have enough of that monster within I can release to get out of trouble. Honestly for me the way I was raised feels very right. Guess that there were more aspects to it, like fishing, then killing, processing and eating the fish, etc... Don't know.

Perhaps it really depends on the frequency and intensity of said punishment. As well as the individual mindset of the child. If it is or could ever be a valid punishment,, i should think it would be secondary to logical punishment