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Hello! Who from here can say that he/she got the knowledge and conversation of the holy guardian angel (HGA)? Performing the Bornless Ritual can help you eventually get the knowledge and conversation of the HGA? I have like 8-9 months since I perform the Bornless Ritual twice a day (or at least once), I also use banish a lot daily (LBRP, LHRP, recently I started implementing the banishing ritual from Jason Miller's book with protection and reversap), use the Isragel invocation, Middle Pillar, prayer, meditate often. At some point, like 2-3 months ago I got the impression that I made contact with the HGA during the Bornless Ritual, at least that's what I thought. Someone mentioned that when you'll get the knowledge and conversation of the holy guardian angel (HGA), you'll know for sure. What are your opinions?
Hello! Who from here can say that he/she got the knowledge and conversation of the holy guardian angel (HGA)? Performing the Bornless Ritual can help you eventually get the knowledge and conversation of the HGA? I have like 8-9 months since I perform the Bornless Ritual twice a day (or at least once), I also use banish a lot daily (LBRP, LHRP, recently I started implementing the banishing ritual from Jason Miller's book with protection and reversap), use the Isragel invocation, Middle Pillar, prayer, meditate often. At some point, like 2-3 months ago I got the impression that I made contact with the HGA during the Bornless Ritual, at least that's what I thought. Someone mentioned that when you'll get the knowledge and conversation of the holy guardian angel (HGA), you'll know for sure. What are your opinions?
I'm not at all convinced that the ritual being used will work for you, because what you're basically doing is copying what someone else did and knowledge & conversation of your HGA is something that everyone has to work out for themselves. Sorry, but you're not going to get this from any book - akthough you might find something in a book that will get you headed in the right direction.
But if you only think you made contact then you definitely didn't - whoever told you that when this happens you'll know for sure was spot on.
I like Damon Brand's "Magickal Destiny" exactly because it invites experimentation - the protocols look so ridiculously simple (not all of them are if you actually try to perform them) that you'll probably soon start to extemporize.
As far as I know, the Bornless One doesn't contain an explicit HGA conjuration but
(which is basically the original PGM ritual with addons) does:
“Send to me my neverborn friend and guardian, my supernatural assistant, my agathodaimon, my holy guardian angel! Send to me the spirit NN. whose duty it is to guide, lead, assist, and protect me through this and all lives!”
Jason Miller claims somewhere that it took him nine months to attain K&C by performing Crowley's Bornless One (with adaptations) in the Nineties, I think. In "Real Sorcery" (p. 84) though, he gives the PGM Headless Rite (similar to the DigitalAmbler's version) but adds an "Invocation of the Agathodaimon" in Greek at the end.
Anything better than the Abramelin wringer, I suppose.
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"Invocation of the Agathodaimon", audio of correct ancient Greek pronounciation on Jason Miller's blog:
From my personal practices I've less tried to communicate with my higher self and more tried to realize that there is no boundary between myself and my higher self. It ends up interesting because after a while I started getting something akin to supercharged intuition as opposed to directly receiving knowledge. I did lay off the theurgical practices after a while though because it was messing with my perception of time and the self and I wasn't quite ready for some of the side-effects of that. I do want to get back into it and actually start doing serious magical operations again instead of just throwing my will around to manifest small stuff and creating my own dream worlds to entertain myself in my spare time.
It sounds like your theurgical practices are a lot more structured than mine were, although as @HoldAll mentioned earlier Crowley's Bornless rite does some different stuff than the original Headless rite that it was based upon. And realistically, since your higher self is, by technical definition, yourself at the highest level, any operations you do to communicate with them should ideally be designed and tailored to your personal practices and not just wholesale lifted from other practitioners' practices. Personally I don't care for the terms "HGA" or "Higher Self", as I've found that "Yourself-as-God" is a more accurate and less vague descriptor of what it is.
From my personal practices I've less tried to communicate with my higher self and more tried to realize that there is no boundary between myself and my higher self. It ends up interesting because after a while I started getting something akin to supercharged intuition as opposed to directly receiving knowledge. I did lay off the theurgical practices after a while though because it was messing with my perception of time and the self and I wasn't quite ready for some of the side-effects of that. I do want to get back into it and actually start doing serious magical operations again instead of just throwing my will around to manifest small stuff and creating my own dream worlds to entertain myself in my spare time.
I recall that the Dalai Lama was asked once whether all those deities and buddhas in Tibetan Buddhism were objectively real. He replied, "They are treated as if they were objectively real." I'd be wary of equating the HGA with my Higher Self because then I would view him as an idealized version of my mundane self who has finally fulfilled all those exaggerated virtuous expectations I tend to impose on myself and diligently brushes his teeth after every meal, so to speak. For this reason, I find it more advantageous to think of the HGA as an entity seperate from me and treat it as 'objectively real' even if this is may be a mere pragmatic device. There is also the danger of 'Higher Self narcissism', of becoming caught up in a solipsistic loop and in worn-out esoteric narratives but this is probably just me and my personal hangups.
In my opinion, one of the most important prerequisites for any type of HGA work is total sincerity - not 'brutal honesty' because that easily leads to breast-beating self-evisceration, of trying hard to live up to societal standards (and that includes what's regarded as cool within my peer group). The kind of sincerity I mean is a childlike innocent openness that doesn't judge, not because it's so loving and understanding but because it simply doesn't know yet how to judge in the abstract. I think it's best to cultivate that innocent openness also in order to avoid possible pitfalls resulting from firmly held preconceptions concerning the HGA one might harbour. What's more, a child wouldn't wonder if it's 'worthy' of a personal guardian angel or if it's 'pure' enough for K&C - it simply looks forward to it, like to a miracle it's entitled to (and we are all entitled to our own guardian angels, in fact already have them), like Christmas, for example.
Terminology: I don't have a problem with 'HGA', it's a handy abbreviation when I'm journalling. Damon Brand ditches the 'Holy' part which is also fine by me because I was raised a Catholic and was never told about the guardian angel being 'holy' (it's an angel, for heaven's sake, it stands to reason that it's holy anyway); consequently the idea is not totally foreign to me - my grandma, for example, used to say "He must have had a guardian angel!' whenever she heard about somebody escaping serious injury through sheer dumb luck, e.g. when a drunk fell down the stairs without getting hurt. I think that Crowley and Mathers got the HGA idea from Catholicism long before they heard about tutelary spirits in other cultures. So the HGA may be the augoeides (Carroll), an agathodaimon (ancient Greece), the Higher Self, a boddhisattva (Buddhism), etc.; a child wouldn't care about any concepts and labels but enjoy the magical mystery ride instead…
Personally I tend to approach occultism with a certain pragmatism. I act as if and pretend as if various entities are real, during a ritual, or what not. However, I'm actually kind of Agnostic about any specific name or label. The way some Christians talk about Jesus sounds a lot like HGA, for instance. So, I do think there are spiritual phenomenon which are labeled differently across cultures.
I've used both the concepts of Jesus and HGA,and higher self amongst others to good and similar effect. I don't care that much if I'm accessing the same or different entity.
I think most occultists have a certain pragmatic part of their psychology.
I've achieved my knowledge and communion with the higher guardian angel. I can say directly that the communication can take different forms, but they are a being of you, from you, a mirror, that appears when you are ready to receive and love yourself by realizing you are divine.
It's that's for me, I do. I rely on thoughts, feelings, intuitions, but most of all Love. My higher guardian angel is me. It's more than a tool, it's divine, but it helps me put it into words that won't burn.
Your thoughts, feelings, emotions, that direct you to do right and not wrong, that guide you to loving yourself and others. That is your higher guardian angel leading you to them, calling for you. The second you start your journey on the path, that is when you feel the call of the higher guardian angel. The second you accept love, the second you forgive, not just others, but yourself too. That is you following the pull of the divine.
For most people, they have already had communication with their HGA, they haven't realized it.
It's that's for me, I do. I rely on thoughts, feelings, intuitions, but most of all Love. My higher guardian angel is me. It's more than a tool, it's divine, but it helps me put it into words that won't burn.
Your thoughts, feelings, emotions, that direct you to do right and not wrong, that guide you to loving yourself and others. That is your higher guardian angel leading you to them, calling for you. The second you start your journey on the path, that is when you feel the call of the higher guardian angel. The second you accept love, the second you forgive, not just others, but yourself too. That is you following the pull of the divine.
For most people, they have already had communication with their HGA, they haven't realized it.
Was just trying to indicate a starting point for the search of the HGA. So this was my way of indicating it. But you are totally correct in everything you wrote, thanks for existing
Hello! Who from here can say that he/she got the knowledge and conversation of the holy guardian angel (HGA)? Performing the Bornless Ritual can help you eventually get the knowledge and conversation of the HGA? I have like 8-9 months since I perform the Bornless Ritual twice a day (or at least once), I also use banish a lot daily (LBRP, LHRP, recently I started implementing the banishing ritual from Jason Miller's book with protection and reversap), use the Isragel invocation, Middle Pillar, prayer, meditate often. At some point, like 2-3 months ago I got the impression that I made contact with the HGA during the Bornless Ritual, at least that's what I thought. Someone mentioned that when you'll get the knowledge and conversation of the holy guardian angel (HGA), you'll know for sure. What are your opinions?
I also tried with the Headless One for a while, but in the end I did not succeed with that rite. Rather, I felt the desire to do some work on the Tree of Life.
I made a plan to walk the Tree: I started with sephirotic magic to explore the 32 paths (I would do the rite of the sephirah where I started, then I would walk the path, and when I went halfway, I would do an invocation of the hierarchies that corresponded to the path). Strangely enough, this is how I got it. I found it during a Malkut rite.
My goal with the work was not to meet him-although I had been trying; in fact, my goal was more to purify myself and gain a little more understanding of what the path to the Source is
I thought I managed to make the contact, a lot of signs, omens, synchronicities and events were lining up, but then when I checked via divination the result said I did not. I still have no idea who the spirit I met was. Possibly paredros (as in PGM)?
Divination is an iffy business, so it is possible it's wrong. I did get fairly consistent symbolism in the answers, though.
You'd think that making contact with a guardian spirit already attached to you would be easy. It takes like two minutes of reading a conjuration to get into contact with a planetary spirit. 18 months!? Endless "purifications"? WTF?
I'm kinda frustrated, not gonna lie.
You'd think that making contact with a guardian spirit already attached to you would be easy. It takes like two minutes of reading a conjuration to get into contact with a planetary spirit. 18 months!? Endless "purifications"? WTF?
I'm kinda frustrated, not gonna lie.
If it were a simple matter then everybody would be doing it all the time, which they obviously are not (more is the pity). So it's obviously difficult to achieve, and I suspect the main problem is in training yourself to not only be able to speak to & hear this guardian, but also quite possibly having to 'construct' a suitable mental edifice to use as a framework for suture dealings with said guardian, which is probably where all the purifications come from.
Persevere!
If it were a simple matter then everybody would be doing it all the time, which they obviously are not (more is the pity). So it's obviously difficult to achieve, and I suspect the main problem is in training yourself to not only be able to speak to & hear this guardian, but also quite possibly having to 'construct' a suitable mental edifice to use as a framework for suture dealings with said guardian, which is probably where all the purifications come from.
Persevere!
From my personal practices I've less tried to communicate with my higher self and more tried to realize that there is no boundary between myself and my higher self. It ends up interesting because after a while I started getting something akin to supercharged intuition as opposed to directly receiving knowledge. I did lay off the theurgical practices after a while though because it was messing with my perception of time and the self and I wasn't quite ready for some of the side-effects of that. I do want to get back into it and actually start doing serious magical operations again instead of just throwing my will around to manifest small stuff and creating my own dream worlds to entertain myself in my spare time.
It sounds like your theurgical practices are a lot more structured than mine were, although as @HoldAll mentioned earlier Crowley's Bornless rite does some different stuff than the original Headless rite that it was based upon. And realistically, since your higher self is, by technical definition, yourself at the highest level, any operations you do to communicate with them should ideally be designed and tailored to your personal practices and not just wholesale lifted from other practitioners' practices. Personally I don't care for the terms "HGA" or "Higher Self", as I've found that "Yourself-as-God" is a more accurate and less vague descriptor of what it is.
I thought I managed to make the contact, a lot of signs, omens, synchronicities and events were lining up, but then when I checked via divination the result said I did not. I still have no idea who the spirit I met was. Possibly paredros (as in PGM)?
Divination is an iffy business, so it is possible it's wrong. I did get fairly consistent symbolism in the answers, though.
You'd think that making contact with a guardian spirit already attached to you would be easy. It takes like two minutes of reading a conjuration to get into contact with a planetary spirit. 18 months!? Endless "purifications"? WTF?
I'm kinda frustrated, not gonna lie.
Hey, be discouraged all you want but don't give up. Just get yourself into a cycle. Slowly, create routines. These things are meant to build you upward onto a new plane, not to be adhered to long enough to make contact and then abandoned back to our old lives (which really weren't that great or structured.)
Also, sometimes the progress takes place in a leap in a passive phase. When you finally relax from trying, something will happen.
This is my favorite area of discussion and study and my experiences have been mostly frustrating, punctuated with profound moments of inexplicable supernal force being demonstrated right in front of me in the most beautiful and delicate way. F.O.C.U.S. - Follow One Course Unto Success.
I'm not at all convinced that the ritual being used will work for you, because what you're basically doing is copying what someone else did and knowledge & conversation of your HGA is something that everyone has to work out for themselves. Sorry, but you're not going to get this from any book - akthough you might find something in a book that will get you headed in the right direction.
But if you only think you made contact then you definitely didn't - whoever told you that when this happens you'll know for sure was spot on.
I'm compelled to agree with this and would like to add that anything we intend to attain for ourselves in relation to actual spiritual development must be done so of our own efforts. Rituals that seem popular like some of the "lower" banishing rituals should be leading toward edification on ritual content and inspiring personal ritual revelations. Following something by rote for the purpose of doing it is like a tying a shoe without your foot in it...a totally empty process.
I must also agree that you will not find instructions on how to communicate with your guardian angel within a book. But, what you will find are the personal experiences of those who claim they have, or have failed to communicate but continue to try. These stories should inspire us so deeply that we dedicate ourselves toward piercing the veil so fervently that we learn to work our own salvation out through the subtle energetic rays which emanate from and through all things. When we commit to this, our angels begin to make themselves known. They show themselves, sometimes in beguiling ways, and implore us to follow their path. On their path, our continued perfection awaits, and as we begin to finally do the work to leave the low things behind, they prod us on. Never do they goad us with a promise of revealing themselves and granting every wish, no. They develop us until we are prepared to see them.
I am not yet prepared to see them, but I can hear them. I can see their influence in where I choose to step, figuratively speaking. I sense their presence as arts and sciences are pointed out to investigate, and as each one is learned I can see that the purpose at this point in the pilgrimage is not to suddenly ascend to the divine as an angelic master, but to to witness the divine and engage it fully on the human plane. This is one of the aims of magick, as we call it here.
