Let the Water Not Complain

[Rudolfus]

As with many occult concepts, Vampirism is victim to a lot off ignorance surrounding it. Most occultists don't base their studies on a fringe subject that could be considered a disease, they are usually more interested in self work that will make them like God. So I'm here to shed some light on Vampirism as I know it.

I've been vampire for almost 21 years. I was awakened after someone close to me died. As many vampires, this awakening to thirst was also accompanied by a period of self illumination. I started exploring the occult, at a base level, and found my base theological beliefs.

I should note that when I realized I was a vampire, it did not originate with a thirst for blood, but rather the desire for energy. I learned of pranic vampires and I practiced sending my aura to other peoples spirit and siphoning off of them for a few months before the sanguine urge awoke in me. I had been reading a website about real life vapires, and the idea to try blood instead of just energy siphoning seemed to appeal to the side of me responsible for euphoria. Just thinking about it excited me, but not psychologically, it felt like there was a fire lit up in me as I sat at my computer desk and began studying safe bloodletting practices. I knew I had found the solution to my imblanced energy consumption.

So with that, I'd like to step into the more occultic side of Vampirism.

Firstly I would like to offer a definition for Vampirism.

"A vampire is a living being that cannot produce their own whole energy due to a spiritual imbalance and must consume raw energy in order to function."

From that we can determine that Vampirism is a spiritual curse on a human. Something, likely a spiritual emanation of God, has interacted with the human soul and caused a diability in the energy production of that being. This can be further identified as the Divine Spark being dirtied due to specific thoughtforms existing in the mind. A Christian might see what I am saying as a sort of divine punishmment for thinking evil thoughts.

In one way, Vampirism is a sort of gatekeeping device for the Divine. If a human takes theiir work out of their respected role, the reaction of energy inside their soul could curse them. In some forms of thought there are demons and such that govern over sins that might turn one to Vampirism. However for the purposes of this discussion we should keep these planes of Divinity abstract.

So that covers what a vampire is. But the meat is still on the bone.

For vampires, drinking blood is about drawing on the vital energy within divinity. The actual act of drinking blood is symbolic in nature, and can be accompannied with certain rituals, however, it is not the ideal way for a vampire to obtain eenergy. I would argue that by nature of the three human bodies from which energy can be drawn upon, Vampirism is actually a predominantly non physical status. Most vampires show no signs of their condition eitherr. Some will experience sun sensitivity, but that can also be mirrored in their spiritual imbalance.

Real vampires dont physically NEED blood, but rather, their mind and soul has become accustomed to the satanic ritual of blood drinking. Like a crack addict, the vampire is overcome with euphoria from partaking, and their natural flow of energy adapts to the total experience, triggering psychological urges to partake again. On that note, blood is also incredibly rich in aetheric energy, so the euphoria and wholesome energy absorption become intertwined.

That is to say, vampires dont physically need blood. However, spiritually, it may be imperative for the vampire to drink from a donor. This is typically determined by the vampires theological beliefs. Certain vampires might require a lovers blood during particular Satanic rituals that are designed to prolong nourishment, for example.

I hope that clears some things up for the average occultist.

 

[FireBorn]

Question for you and others involved in vampirism. Does the feeding of energy require consent? Meaning if a target did not consent, or tried to block it, would that change anything?

Is it common to feed energetically at bars, concerts, casinos? Places where dopamine is high, or does the vampire end up competing with parasitic entities and egregious in those places?

Also, can you speak to vampirism and how you would navigate with parasitic entities doing basically the same thing?

Pretty interesting topic.

 

[Rudolfus]

Typically when I feed through psychic manners it is not consensual. Typically I go to the store and spot a spiritually aware person who piques my interests, then i sink my tendril into them. If they weere prticularly adept and had specific shields to protect themselves from base psychic vampirism, I would most likely be fended off and not pursue. Though there are tools to force yourself onto someone, the resuts are less plentiful. There is a certain allure to fighting off human psychics and draining them of their prana but most vampires probably wouldn't want the trouble.

Personally I find high population centers to be too noisy. There are usually three or four spiritually touched people who carry some kind of danger to the hungry vamp. Whether it be Christ based protection or even demonic protection, when there are so many other "voices" in a public setting it's very hard to properly align yourself to deal with what is before you. And unfortunately, just because someone has an Abrahamic charm placed on them, it doesn't maen their energy will be delightful. Sometimes you fight for harvest ad it's low quality, which makes the effort not really worth it when it comes to finite resources of prana.

Typically I don't find a great quality benefit from high impact psychological situations. I prefer to have my victims be blissfully unaware and in a neutral frame of mind. High emotions can give unpredictable yields.

I think the vampiric condition is expanded to all conscious beings. A cat could be a psychic vampire. So to say that spirits that feed on prana due to the inability to create their own are parasites in comparison to a human vampire which does the same thing for the same reason is unfair.

 

[FireBorn]

Thank you for your perspective and some clarification.

Sounds like consent still applies. Consent doesn't have to conscious by the way. I find it interesting about the crowded areas, and high dopamine areas. I would think (probably wrongly) that that would be attractive, 'low hanging fruit' if you will. I also find it interesting about the Abrahamic stuff. I personally dont believe the Abrahamic at all, I wonder if that affects how a vampiric person would navigate things if they didn't believe in it.

I am clearly coming at this from curiosity, and my experiences with the parasitic entities from the astral I have direct experiences with. They feed on our energy, consent is everything in the spiritual conscious or not. Parasites feed, they arent evil, they just are. Are you well experienced with parasitic entities?

Also what about Egregores? Dont they feed on energy as well? Does that ever become something you have to compete with? I would think you would be more aware of them than most for obvious reasons.

I dont mean offense in my comparison, its the only lens I have to try to base it on and understand it. Zero judgement. Totally new to me.

 

[Rudolfus]

Well I have worked with several entities for Vampiric purposes, and in those workings I did offer blood to them. Idk if that makes them parasitic by your standardds, but they essentially licked the blood up with me to partake in the energy devouring. I consider those spirits to be vampiric in nature based on my eperience with them.

As for as egregores, I would say the drain isnt comparable. Vampires can induce strong emotional reactions by feeding. Egregores take in energy from less targeted regions of human divinity suh aas breath. Typically vampires aren't disecting your language to manufacture essence out of regurgitted divinity. That's not to say they don't but thats a very extreme practice. So what an egregore draws from is essentially seperate from the pranic energy that a vampire is drawing on.

 

[silencewaits]

So to say that spirits that feed on prana due to the inability to create their own are parasites in comparison to a human vampire which does the same thing for the same reason is unfair.

Vampirism as you defined it is parasitism, is it not? It could be that vampires as you describe them are one and the same with these so-called 'spiritual parasites' in regard to their nature.

 

[Rudolfus]

Parasite definition: "an

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at the other's expense."

Vampires live outside of their donors.

 

[FireBorn]

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at the other's expense."

Vampires live outside of their donors.

I think part of the problem here is that we’re conflating spiritual phenomena with biological terminology. Your definition of ‘parasite’ comes from the natural sciences, but this entire discussion is about energetic/spiritual behavior.

In The Exorcist’s Handbook, Josephine McCarthy outlines different types of spiritual parasites and how they interact with human energy systems. The behavior you describe, drawing life force, feeding off another’s energy, mirrors that structure exactly. If vampirism isn’t parasitism, then I’d genuinely love to see the distinction you're drawing spelled out. What makes one noble and the other malignant, if the mechanics are the same?

 

[silencewaits]

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at the other's expense."

Vampires live outside of their donors.

That is the medical definition of a parasite.

Ecologically-speaking: a parasite is an organism that engages in a negative symbiotic relationship with another organism without killing it or reducing its fitness to zero; a parasite benefits from the symbiotic relationship at the expense of the other organism, but if this leads to the death of the organism it may be classified as a parasitoid or a predator. A parasitoid, in the course of its interaction, does engage in parasitism--but ends up killing the host.

There are two further classifications of parasites: endoparasites and ectoparasites. A vampire as you describe it would be an ectoparasite; with their feeding apparatus being tendrils or the penetration of one of the "bodies" you described via unspecified means--perhaps the supposed ineterconnectedness of all life. In the course of this relationship the temporary or continual host ("donor") is not killed, either at the beginning or at the end of this particular interaction.

Therefore, a vampire as you describe it is indeed a parasite.

 

[Rudolfus]

I don't understand what that proves and it seems largely semantics. If the act of feeding on energy is so clearly parasitic, why ask me? Why do I need to prove to you something you alreaddy claim to be an expert in?

In my opinion you countered your own points. "Ecologically-speaking" has nothing to do with the status of a supernatural being. Furthermore, "In the course of this relationship the temporary or continual host ("donor") is not killed, either at the beginning or at the end of this particular interaction." Well to be frank, humans are killed by vampiric conquests so that doesn't fit your definition either.

 

[silencewaits]

I don't understand what that proves and it seems largely semantics. If the act of feeding on energy is so clearly parasitic, why ask me? Why do I need to prove to you something you alreaddy claim to be an expert in?

In my opinion you countered your own points. "Ecologically-speaking" has nothing to do with the status of a supernatural being. Furthermore, "In the course of this relationship the temporary or continual host ("donor") is not killed, either at the beginning or at the end of this particular interaction." Well to be frank, humans are killed by vampiric conquests so that doesn't fit your definition either.

A cat could be a psychic vampire. So to say that spirits that feed on prana due to the inability to create their own are parasites in comparison to a human vampire which does the same thing for the same reason is unfair.

1. You stated it was an unfair comparison. And I am not, nor neither have I claimed, to be an expert.

2. Is a vampire a living being, or a non-living being? And yes it still has status--it still exhibits the characteristics of life. Death is not necessary, nor regular, in the form of vampirism you are discussing. Further, we are discussing the energy economy between two living beings who require sustenance for living. Life, regardless of being apparent or non-apparent, can be described using ecology as a model.

 

[Rudolfus]

"And I am not, nor neither have I claimed, to be an expert."

"Death is not necessary, nor regular, in the form of vampirism you are discussing."

Which is it? Are you asking questions or telling me about my life?

There are both living vampires and non living vampires. Some vampires can achieve profound levels of spiritual substance and achieve immortality as spiritual beings, shedding off life and succummbing to the more satanic influence of vampirism.

 

[silencewaits]

"And I am not, nor neither have I claimed, to be an expert."

"Death is not necessary, nor regular, in the form of vampirism you are discussing."

Which is it? Are you asking questions or telling me about my life?

There are both living vampires and non living vampires. Some vampires can achieve profound levels of spiritual substance and achieve immortality as spiritual beings, shedding off life and succummbing to the more satanic influence of vampirism.

1. You make repeated use of terminology ("donor", "sanguinarian", etc.) relevant to the "vampire community". I am not an expert in that--no. But you are referring, very directly, to that model. You make authoritative statements which also refer to the experiences of those who claim to suffer or exhibit that particular form of vampirism, which I am familiar with--including the use of psychic 'tendrils' to feed.

2. They still exhibit life, they are still existent. Mortal life is merely one form of life, of which there are many. The form of life which vampires exhibit is congruous with the life they lived as a mortal--that is how they achieved that state.

You are very thoughtfully elucidating vampirism for the 'average occultist'--average occultists may be more familiar with the nature of 'spiritual parasites'. There is worth in illustrating the connection, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Rudolfus]

No, I wouldn't agree.

 

[silencewaits]

No, I wouldn't agree.

It would make a good framework for an experiment. Do methods for routing these 'spiritual parasites' work on those who wish to feed on unsuspecting victims? Or vice versa? I see people claiming they suffer from supposed parasitic attacks a lot on this forum. Your words may help them find a solution to their issues, and defending against parasitism from other humans in the future. Does sun sensitivity hint at a possible defense against these things--solar energies? It might relate to the folklore of the mythological vampire's weakness to the Cross; its symbolic form ("a mythological vampire presented with a cross") works much the same way. Great work indeed!

 

[Rudolfus]

Typically vampires inherit a distaste for solar energy because their soul cannot process it. It makes us nauseous, headaches, fevers, etc because we are overloaded with energy. Similar to a diabetic eating too much sugar.

As far as using methods to ward against spirits to ward against vampires, it wouldn't work because spiritual entities are not complete like a vampire is (though broken). Where you could perform banishing rituls to free your energy from a spiritual being, a vampire (as opposed to say a servitor) could simply pervert your intention by using empathic vibratory humming to adjust their frequency and slip through the cracks.

If someone wanted to protect themselves from vampires or energy parasites, they would be best to construct a psychic shield. A psychic shield is a specifically constructed layer of protection that one can coat their aura with. It's like a second skin. Most people have novice shields as a psychic practitioner. These will typically protect you from surface level energy attacks such as someone rolling their eyes at you. At this stage of experiencing psychic assaults,, however, it becomes clear that there must be some kind of design to the aetheric shielding phenomenon.

Typically for someone at this stage, I would say the following: look deep into yourself and find your egoic weaknesses. Perhaps you feel overly important or knowledgeable, or maybe you depend on your beauty to carry you through life. These kinds of openings are what the vampiric tendril is dedicated to finding.

Once you have found at least three weaknesses, you can begin to do the spiritual work to cover your bases. If you struggle with Power dynamics, maybe Gevurah holds a secret for you to harness nd you should work with angels of that sphere to mold yourself into a more complete perrson. I typically believe that the Kabbalah is a sound instrument for self alchemy.

After doing the work to re align your psyche with your soul,, you would begin doing ritual work to buildd your shield. Some might envision it as just a block of bricks. Or maybe bricks that are made out of obsidian. How you construct it will determine your strengths and what "kind" of psychic vampires you have the most protection from.

To determine what kind of vampires are after you, and thereby what type of energy you have to protect most, you can look at the Indian study of prana. The wiki page has a good chart for the various types of "winds" or facets of prana.

If, for example, you experience nerve pain in your feet, which can be EXTREMELY illusive to pinpoint as a mystic, your Vyana energies might be under attack.

In this construction, I would say that Christ (or crosses) doesn't really protect you from Vampirism. Christ being the middle path, is able to descend through the qliphotic husks and reach vampires at a spiritual level.

However you could use names of the Abrahamic god to empower your psychic shielding with angels and such.

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This is a beginner shielding instructional i found on a now defunct website. I used this when I was 12 and i can attest that it works, but unfortunately the basic nature of it might leave a magician feeling like there is something missing.

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Here are the "instructions" for personal / property shields. The first thing to do before any shields go up is to evaluate what energies work best for you, and what you want to shield.

What energies work for you are often, but not necessarily, related to your astrological elements. For example, I am a Libra, which is an air sign, and by default the easiest shield for me to use is an airy shield.

Elemental shield examples are:

1.) Air shields can be violent cold air walls or violent hot air walls (envision a gusty storm where the force of the wind makes it hard to walk or even stand upright). They can be deceptively soothing, pleasantly cooling or warming. They can come out of nowhere and, since air is not seen, may not hit you until you try and oppose them.
2.) Fire shields are self-explanatory. When someone has a fire shield up they cannot burn themselves but anyone who tries to break the shield will have difficulty not getting “burned”.
3.) Earth shields smother. They are slow moving but deadly, the power of the planet and all she signifies behind them. A mountain makes a very powerful but difficult to conjure shield.
4.) Water shields, like air, can be violent, hot, cold, or deceptively still. Stagnant water has its dangers, as well. How deep does your well run?

You can also combine the power of elemental shields. For example, earth and fire makes lava, a formidable shield, indeed. Or air and water make a fierce and drowning storm. Be careful though, since (obviously) water can cancel fire (but fire can boil water); air can scatter earth; fire can bake and burn earth (but earth can smother fire); etc.

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. These are from Chinese astrology and the elements added to our traditional Western list are metal (form into anything that works for you -- knives, swords, razor blades) and wood (trees have a tremendous supply of ancient power and will share it if you ask them nicely).

You can really make anything that works for you your shield. Mythical and real animals and beings work nicely as well, such as gryphons, wolves, dragons, eagles, mermaids, lions, banshees… the possibilities are endless, really.

What do you want to shield? Are you shielding yourself from general harm, or a specific person / being / force? Do you want a shield that keeps you IN it or others OUT? Do you want to shield an object (like your car) or an area (like your house and the surrounding property)? Each of these is very specific and may need a different kind of shield. For example, dragons make wonderful house shields, fire and the color orange are great for driving in safety (they make you visible so others don’t hit you). Your personal element is good for both keeping others energy out of your space and for making your own energy comfortable in it so it doesn’t wander around other people (unless you want it to!).

Now that you know what kinds of shields are available to you, you need to learn how to use them. You could do fancy conjuring, but all it really takes is visualization. For the initial shield placement, you need the right atmosphere. Shut out outside noises, turn off the phone, light some candles and incense, whatever makes you comfortable. Sit comfortably and close your eyes. A meditation before you start can really help tremendously. If you like you can go through your ritual of choice to cast a circle, etc., but again, this is entirely up to you. Breathe deeply, and imagine your shield. Each shield comes from above, below, or to the left of you. Elements come from below, colors and birds from above, animals and most mythical creatures from the left… you get the picture. Move the image into your solar plexus, breathing deeply the whole time. Feel it getting larger with each breath, slowly encompassing the thing you want to shield. The image really comes from you, it cannot be separated from you. I am saying “image” but the reality is that it is really there. You are manifesting it by will and intent alone. Continue the visualization until the image becomes “solid” around the object or yourself. If it is yourself it should surround you completely, as if you are in a giant egg.

Once the shield is up you must do a “force of intent” (I don’t know what else to call it) to keep it there. You can mentally renew it whenever you feel it weaken, or get attacked, or even if it’s been a little while and you just want it strengthened. To renew it, just close your eyes and imagine it strengthening itself around you. You don’t have to go through a whole shield ritual unless you prefer it that way when you are just renewing it.

Shields are one of those things that you must believe in and not doubt, otherwise they will not work at all. Put your faith in them, and they will not fail you! I’ve seen near-accidents and violence diverted seemingly miraculously, -- cars about to smash suddenly veer off out of harm's way. Whether you want to be noticed, fade from sight, or just be protected, shields work!

Good luck all!
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[FireBorn]

So vampires are impervious against banishing like the astral parasites and other spirits in general? You can just feed on whoever whenever regardless? Is that just strength of skill or power or something?
I'm trying to understand. How can a vampire operate outside the laws of the spiritual when they are doing spiritual (or energetic if you prefer that term) things? I'm confused.
If you tried to feed on me for example are you saying my banishing wouldn't work? I cannot banishing every other spiritual entity and protect.myself from their attacks, but not a vampire (unless I used the names of a god I don't believe in?)
Please explain like I'm 5.

 

[Rudolfus]

Typically in ordeer to feed the vampire needs some kind of connection to the person. Whether it be sight of them,, a picture of them, or a piece of their hair. The more intimate the connection and domination by the vampire, the tighter the draw.

So to answer your question,, yes we can just feed on anyone provided they do not have psychic shields. To that end, the process of feeding is actually primarily mental. While the essence drawn may be spiritual or etheric, the mechanism is bound by the divine imagination. Which means that the law and order is very specific, and because the Vampire is essentially committing taboo, there are "loopholes" available to them. rovided they have a good lawyer (system of magick).

If I were to feed on you and you tried to banish me, it would be like saying abra kadabra to a child. While i may be mystified to some degree by the language, the actual magic would be lost on me because I can see you hiding behind your hands.

Thats not to say you shouldn't do that. Often vampires have spiritual entities clinging to them. But doing it isn't going to stop the tendril from penetrating your aura. If anything it will give you away to knowing about the vampiric presence.

I think whats most important to understand when concerning with yourself on protecting from vampires is that vampires were human, and so their forumalic conception is dependent on most of the constraints of the human mind. You aren't fighting spiritual beings, you are fighting flesh.

 

[FireBorn]

Let me get this straight, you’re saying you can psychically feed on someone unless they have a psychic shield, but if they try to banish you, it doesn’t work? Even though you’re using etheric structures like tendrils, penetrating auras, and drawing prana? That’s not coherent. You’re engaging in spiritual behavior, which means spiritual laws do apply.

You can’t say ‘I’m not a spirit, I’m just flesh,’ while doing things that only work on the energetic plane. That’s cherry-picking, trying to be immune from boundaries while still claiming magickal power.

You keep using aesthetic terms like ‘taboo’ and ‘loophole,’ but haven’t defined a working system or how those mechanics actually function. If your paradigm operates on different rules, cool, explain them. But don’t just say banishing is the equivalent of peekaboo and expect to be taken seriously by practitioners who’ve actually had to fight back.

Because here’s the truth: if someone’s built wards, shields, and energetic defenses that work against spirits, servitors, parasites, and demons, and your claim is ‘those won’t work on me because I’m special’ you’ve left magick and entered fan fiction, and that shit belongs on Reddit, not here.

 

[Rudolfus]

If i am wrong, then why don't these magicians on the forum just simply banish the psychic vampires that are attacking them?