Lvcifer claimed Jesus was Divine.

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there was a bishop named Lvcifer (Lucifer (died c. 370) was a

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of Cagliari, Sardinia, who was a fierce opponent of the heresy of

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<- link to the Britannica)
He wanted anyone in the practice of Arianism to be excommunicate. Arianism was a sect of Christianity that said Jesus was just a man and denied his divinity.
Was the “mistranslation” of Lucifer and Morning Star done on purpose all along?
Seems fishy to me
Your thoughts WF?

Also I was reading over the poem “

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“ and it says something really interesting About the Greeks vs barbarians. It seems as though that Sophia and Nyx may be one and the same.

“Greeks, why do you hate me?
Because I am a barbarian among the barbarians?
I am the wisdom of Greeks and knowledge of barbarians.
I am the judgment of Greeks and barbarians.
My image is great in Egypt, and I have no image among the barbarians.”

Nyx was both revered and respected - with a lot of caution in Greece.

The “image great in Egypt” may have been speaking about Kek - Primordial darknes, its counterpart Kauket was “bringer of light”.

The ancient Egyptian hieroglyph for night depicted the sky with a "was" scepter hanging from it.
Representing primordial darkness and creation. Or
Set - depicting darkness and chaos hanging over
Khnum - creation and fertility, respectively.
Your thoughts WF?

 

[Sabbatius]

The Name Lucifer translates to "Bearer of Light" and/or "Morning Star"
The belief that Lucifer is associated with the Fallen Angel Myth, which came from The Book of Isaiah Chapter 14, came from the Latin Translation by St. Jerome in 404CE. I doubt there was any association with a supposed fallen angelic figure and the Bishop of Cagliari who defended Western Christendom and was associated with St. Athanasius of Alexandria who championed the Eastern Church.

As for the Gnostic text of Thunder: Perfect Mind, I see more of an association with Isis and Sophia than Nyx and Sophia.

 

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The Name Lucifer translates to "Bearer of Light" and/or "Morning Star"
The belief that Lucifer is associated with the Fallen Angel Myth, which came from The Book of Isaiah Chapter 14, came from the Latin Translation by St. Jerome in 404CE.

100% There would be no mention of the name “Lucifer“ if it wasn’t for the mistranslation, there would be no “Lucifer” in the Bible. I was wondering if it was done on purpose as a slight against the exiled bishop.

As for the Gnostic text of Thunder: Perfect Mind, I see more of an association with Isis and Sophia than Nyx and Sophia.

Dang you’re right! That is a very solid parallel.

 

[HoldAll]

The Name Lucifer translates to "Bearer of Light" and/or "Morning Star"
The belief that Lucifer is associated with the Fallen Angel Myth, which came from The Book of Isaiah Chapter 14, came from the Latin Translation by St. Jerome in 404CE. I doubt there was any association with a supposed fallen angelic figure and the Bishop of Cagliari who defended Western Christendom and was associated with St. Athanasius of Alexandria who championed the Eastern Church.

As for the Gnostic text of Thunder: Perfect Mind, I see more of an association with Isis and Sophia than Nyx and Sophia.

Exactly. I recommend reading Ch. One of Chris Matthew's "Modern Satanism" where he states on p. 6:

The morning star is the planet Venus, a heavenly body rich in mythological resonance from prehistoric times. While this passage [in the Book of Isaiah] is undoubtedly a depiction of overreaching pride that leads to a fall, the morning star represents Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, who is named in the same chapter. In Saint Jerome’s fifth-century translation of the Bible from Greek into Latin, the Greek term “heosphorus” (literal meaning: “dawn bringer,” a sobriquet for Venus) is rendered as “Lucifer,” Latin for “light bearer” and an astrological term for the morning star. The term “Lucifer” already had a potent mythological and literary history, having been used by the Latin poets Ovid and Virgil; similarly, “heosphorus” appears in the Greek classics of Homer and Hesiod, as well as being associated with the legend of Prometheus, the stealer of light.

He then goes on saying that Satan only has merely a minor role in the Old Testament and only gains a significantly larger stature in the Old Testament. I like this quote (p. 7):

Just like Ahriman in the Zoroastrian tradition, Satan works as a lightning rod, drawing criticism for evil away from God, when in fact it is God, the supreme being, that allows evil into human existence.

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, in short.

We also have this book on "Thunder" in the Library where the poem is analyzed by a variety of scholars from all sorts of angles if you'd like to take a look at it. The book also discusses at length the mystery of the identity of the speaker who is male in some passages and female in most others. I wouldn't look for coded occult messages in that poem, the author of the book even disputes that it's Gnostic at all.

 

[Sabbatius]

100% There would be no mention of the name “Lucifer“ if it wasn’t for the mistranslation, there would be no “Lucifer” in the Bible. I was wondering if it was done on purpose as a slight against the exiled bishop.

Personally, St. Jerome made such horrible work on his Latin Bible that he created more Biblical Theological Traditions based on his translations alone. An example:

Matthew 3:1, 2
In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea,
and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!"​

One of his alterations was taking the word in Greek- Μετανοεῖτε (metanoeite) "repent" and instead of using the Latin-poenitere which translates to repent, regret - Jerome used paenitentiam agite - to do penance. The mistake turned into a doctrine of Penintential Acts for the remission of sins, which eventually led to the Doctrine of Original Sin, a Roman creation, which was created in the West after the Latin translation became widespread.

I apologize for the rant but this is one of the studies I excelled at in University.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Personally, St. Jerome made such horrible work on his Latin Bible that he created more Biblical Theological Traditions based on his translations alone. An example:

Matthew 3:1, 2
In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea,
and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!"​

One of his alterations was taking the word in Greek- Μετανοεῖτε (metanoeite) "repent" and instead of using the Latin-poenitere which translates to repent, regret - Jerome used paenitentiam agite - to do penance. The mistake turned into a doctrine of Penintential Acts for the remission of sins, which eventually led to the Doctrine of Original Sin, a Roman creation, which was created in the West after the Latin translation became widespread.

I apologize for the rant but this is one of the studies I excelled at in University.

that's fascinating! Perhaps you should start another thread with more biblical mixups

Reminds me of the old joke about the monk copying doctrine from the original source material. The Abbot finds him weeping over his work and asks him why he's crying. Between sobs, the monk tells him: "It says celebrate!"

 

[Asteriskos]

Personally, St. Jerome made such horrible work on his Latin Bible that he created more Biblical Theological Traditions based on his translations alone. An example:

Matthew 3:1, 2
In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea,
and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!"​

One of his alterations was taking the word in Greek- Μετανοεῖτε (metanoeite) "repent" and instead of using the Latin-poenitere which translates to repent, regret - Jerome used paenitentiam agite - to do penance. The mistake turned into a doctrine of Penintential Acts for the remission of sins, which eventually led to the Doctrine of Original Sin, a Roman creation, which was created in the West after the Latin translation became widespread.

I apologize for the rant but this is one of the studies I excelled at in University.

Incredibly interesting and informative, Thanks!

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We also have this book on "Thunder" in the Library where the poem is analyzed by a variety of scholars from all sorts of angles if you'd like to take a look at it. The book also discusses at length the mystery of the identity of the speaker who is male in some passages and female in most others. I wouldn't look for coded occult messages in that poem, the author of the book even disputes that it's Gnostic at all.

Thanks for this link!

 

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Personally, St. Jerome made such horrible work on his Latin Bible that he created more Biblical Theological Traditions based on his translations alone. An example:

Matthew 3:1, 2
In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea,
and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!"​

One of his alterations was taking the word in Greek- Μετανοεῖτε (metanoeite) "repent" and instead of using the Latin-poenitere which translates to repent, regret - Jerome used paenitentiam agite - to do penance. The mistake turned into a doctrine of Penintential Acts for the remission of sins, which eventually led to the Doctrine of Original Sin, a Roman creation, which was created in the West after the Latin translation became widespread.

Sabbatius
this right here is what I was wanting to see, lol Thank you, I knew who the historical Lvcifer was which is the reason I made the thread but I am unaware of the other things the translator messed up,
I wonder if he did it on purpose under the order of the elites that they could gain more control. IF there is original sin I tend to think it’s because we are programmed to fear and fear keeps us in Judgement of ourselves, of others and it is the basis for negativity, it keeps us from the passive unconditional love we all can possess,

As for penance… that is awefully convenient for the Catholic Church. $$$

 

[Asteriskos]

As for penance… that is awefully convenient for the Catholic Church. $$$

I heard a phrase years ago to the effect that it was: "The Biggest Money Making Machine the World has ever Seen!"
Don't recall Where I heard it though.

 

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Exactly. I recommend reading Ch. One of Chris Matthew's "Modern Satanism" where he states on p. 6:

The morning star is the planet Venus, a heavenly body rich in mythological resonance from prehistoric times. While this passage [in the Book of Isaiah] is undoubtedly a depiction of overreaching pride that leads to a fall, the morning star represents Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, who is named in the same chapter. In Saint Jerome’s fifth-century translation of the Bible from Greek into Latin, the Greek term “heosphorus” (literal meaning: “dawn bringer,” a sobriquet for Venus) is rendered as “Lucifer,” Latin for “light bearer” and an astrological term for the morning star. The term “Lucifer” already had a potent mythological and literary history, having been used by the Latin poets Ovid and Virgil; similarly, “heosphorus” appears in the Greek classics of Homer and Hesiod, as well as being associated with the legend of Prometheus, the stealer of light.

He then goes on saying that Satan only has merely a minor role in the Old Testament and only gains a significantly larger stature in the Old Testament. I like this quote (p. 7):

Just like Ahriman in the Zoroastrian tradition, Satan works as a lightning rod, drawing criticism for evil away from God, when in fact it is God, the supreme being, that allows evil into human existence.

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, in short.

We also have this book on "Thunder" in the Library where the poem is analyzed by a variety of scholars from all sorts of angles if you'd like to take a look at it. The book also discusses at length the mystery of the identity of the speaker who is male in some passages and female in most others. I wouldn't look for coded occult messages in that poem, the author of the book even disputes that it's Gnostic at all.

Tyvm for the Link Holdall and yeah I believe it’s Roman’s 14:1-12 that make it very clear it was speaking of the king and kicking him as the Morning Star is said to be Jesusnin revelations. As for Venus being the morning star that makes sense… Jesus,’or the living Christ at any given time is supposed be then personification of Love… which would be Venus in mythos.

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I heard a phrase years ago to the effect that it was: "The Biggest Money Making Machine the World has ever Seen!"
Don't recall Where I heard it though.

I’ve heard it said the Roman Empire never collapsed, they just became the Vatican.