[Help] Magical Momentum

[jkeller293]

There is a concept that both David Rankine and Steven Skinner speak about called "magical momentum" which is in my interpretation analogous to the climax of physical sex. My question to anyone who is reading this is "do you think this is a neccessary process for magic(k) rather than just simply focusing on your intention? Also if it is not neccessary, do you think this concept empowers the magical operation more?

 

[beardedeldridge]

It depends.

In most instances to bring about substantial change the answer is yes. As you work thru a successful operation you’ll feel that magic “momentum” building in a very powerful way (ime). In fact one of the most basic things practitioners need to learn is how to start and sense that momentum. Then how to keep it going. And eventually how to maintain it at a certain level with little effort.

But really that’s all relative like most things are based on where you’re starting from. I’ve seen some pretty impressive results from just a few spoken words. But in those instances you should probably think of it as if the momentum had already been built and held at a certain point by a practitioner. So it’s not so much the momentum doesn’t need to be built in those instances as an advanced practitioner just spends a significant amount of time at those elevated levels.

*Personally I think it’s possible to get to a point where magic is in fact very easy. But if anyone tells you magic is easy it’s best to just run away (because they are full of shit and about to try to sell you something).

**I’ve always felt comparing magic and sex was a bit of a stretch. I know a lot of the big names did it but it always struck me as a primitive way of looking at it.

-Eld

 

[jkeller293]

It depends.

In most instances to bring about substantial change the answer is yes. As you work thru a successful operation you’ll feel that magic “momentum” building in a very powerful way (ime). In fact one of the most basic things practitioners need to learn is how to start and sense that momentum. Then how to keep it going. And eventually how to maintain it at a certain level with little effort.

But really that’s all relative like most things are based on where you’re starting from. I’ve seen some pretty impressive results from just a few spoken words. But in those instances you should probably think of it as if the momentum had already been built and held at a certain point by a practitioner. So it’s not so much the momentum doesn’t need to be built in those instances as an advanced practitioner just spends a significant amount of time at those elevated levels.

*Personally I think it’s possible to get to a point where magic is in fact very easy. But if anyone tells you magic is easy it’s best to just run away (because they are full of shit and about to try to sell you something).

**I’ve always felt comparing magic and sex was a bit of a stretch. I know a lot of the big names did it but it always struck me as a primitive way of looking at it.

-Eld

Yes it is a bit of a stretch comparing the two, but i can elaborate on that. You start, build up, and then finish — this is me keeping the conversation PC without getting technical about the details lol.

Thats pretty much what i was trying to say.

I do have a question for you. Would say preparation before even executing the operation is apart of building momentum? Or would you seperate that completely? In my perspective i see that as part of the aspect of building magical momentum — or i could say this sets the foundation for initiating that momentum. Again with the "sex analogy" this would be like putting on erotic music, diming the lights, or putting on a seductive outift for your partner.

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Yes it is a bit of a stretch comparing the two, but i can elaborate on that. You start, build up, and then finish — this is me keeping the conversation PC without getting technical about the details lol.

Thats pretty much what i was trying to say.

I do have a question for you. Would say preparation before even executing the operation is apart of building momentum? Or would you seperate that completely? In my perspective i see that as part of the aspect of building magical momentum — or i could say this sets the foundation for initiating that momentum. Again with the "sex analogy" this would be like putting on erotic music, diming the lights, or putting on a seductive outift for your partner.

Or lighting the fireplace LOL

 

[Anziel_Merkaba]

To bust out the literary theory hat a bit, when doing a rite or ritual, there is a progressive buildup of emotion and energy into the working that reaches the climax as the working reaches the most important point. Just like a story if the buildup doesn't match the climax the working won't really be as effective, and with particularly energetic workings the things you do immediately afterward can also affect things.

In many ways magic is you telling a story and suspending the disbelief of the world so the working goes through, just how when you read a story you have to suspend your disbelief so you can get emotionally invested in what is happening. The world runs on storybook logic, and you get to decide if it's a quality novel worthy of a bestseller label future classic or some cash-grab shoveled trash written by a Korean social drop-out mashing a keyboard for a few ₩.

 

[jkeller293]

To bust out the literary theory hat a bit, when doing a rite or ritual, there is a progressive buildup of emotion and energy into the working that reaches the climax as the working reaches the most important point. Just like a story if the buildup doesn't match the climax the working won't really be as effective, and with particularly energetic workings the things you do immediately afterward can also affect things.

In many ways magic is you telling a story and suspending the disbelief of the world so the working goes through, just how when you read a story you have to suspend your disbelief so you can get emotionally invested in what is happening. The world runs on storybook logic, and you get to decide if it's a quality novel worthy of a bestseller label future classic or some cash-grab shoveled trash written by a Korean social drop-out mashing a keyboard for a few ₩.

I think your story analogy is better than my view. Well said.

 

[beardedeldridge]

Oh no I completely understand and not disagreeing with you at all, some people just overdo the trope. (Pet peeve of mine, like people who write about their HGA in such a way that it sounds like a well-endowed baywatch-caricature lover type of thing). But moving on lol.

I think of all that prep work as part of the “momentum” building for the most part or maybe clearing out the area so you have the runway needed to build that momentum.

I’m more talking about when you have been working magic a lot and seeing a lot of success/everything just falling into place with ease. Some people call it a flow state. It doesn’t feel like the same momentum building as much as the momentum has been built into a storm and you take a step into the eye of that storm to such a point that you don’t even consciously fully register that the storm still exists, just an absolute stillness. With some practice and effort it’s possible to live in that state for extended periods so you don’t have to build it for a particular operation. It’s more about the perspective about when the momentum was built and if it was built with a particular goal in mind.

-Eld

 

[AlfrunGrima]

I’m more talking about when you have been working magic a lot and seeing a lot of success/everything just falling into place with ease. Some people call it a flow state. It doesn’t feel like the same momentum building as much as the momentum has been built into a storm and you take a step into the eye of that storm to such a point that you don’t even consciously fully register that the storm still exists, just an absolute stillness.

-Eld

For me it is a kind puzzle: I have started somewhere, not always sure where to end but gradually it builds up piece by piece, while you know that everything falls on the best place possible and on the moment you see the complete picture in your mind, things go really quick. If I am open minded in the beginning and able to accept that I cannot see the complete picture in those beginnings, it will work. When I am narrow minded and highly focused on just one possible result, I sometimes can't grab the momentum.

 

[MidnightProphet]

There is a concept that both David Rankine and Steven Skinner speak about called "magical momentum" which is in my interpretation analogous to the climax of physical sex. My question to anyone who is reading this is "do you think this is a neccessary process for magic(k) rather than just simply focusing on your intention? Also if it is not neccessary, do you think this concept empowers the magical operation more?

I think the intention can be heightened beyond what it is able to achieve by merely focusing.

My philosophical approach to magick is that it is as much psychological, physiological and philosophical as it is spiritual and magickal.

One purpose ritual serves is to strengthen the mental faculty of focus, so that increasingly detailed operations can be carried out with diamond-sharp focus by mastering the ability to distill intention and attention simultaneously through "lower" (fundamental) rituals like banishings and purifications, etc.

Because of this, one ideal in magick could be to refine our intention to the point that we are able to think something into existence, rather than continually attempting to fellate ourselves by candlelight and incense smoke. I jest about that last part, but do as thou wilt.