[Help] Magickal functions

[Dreamsailor]

It is self evident that rituals and magickal workings in general generate inner emotions and thoughts that change the personal worldview of the individual. According to your life (and magickal) experiences how big is the effect of these thoughts and emotions outside of the self? How much the environment changes because of these workings in order for them to work? I mean magick is supposed to do that also in order to be magick. Otherwise somebody can argue that there is no any reason to call upon an angel, just do some hypnosis... thanks in advance.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

It is self evident that rituals and magickal workings in general generate inner emotions and thoughts that change the personal worldview of the individual. According to your life (and magickal) experiences how big is the effect of these thoughts and emotions outside of the self? How much the environment changes because of these workings in order for them to work? I mean magick is supposed to do that also in order to be magick. Otherwise somebody can argue that there is no any reason to call upon an angel, just do some hypnosis... thanks in advance.

The way I look at it, there will be a version of yourself where the magic has succeeded. The question is then "how do I become that version of myself?".

 

[CuriousOrangutan]

Mere change of POV and attitude towards the subject was more than enough for me to change some situations in my life. Some times even for better. The problem is that it’s not that easy to do substantially and honestly, especially if huge change in existential beliefs is required.
Regarding “environment changes”. If you mean direct physical changes in environment - never did happen by itself. And it’s weird to expect from subtle fire to be actual physical fire.
Shifts in ”vibe”, self and people around - constantly.
Regarding hypnosis and angels - depends which one is easier for the operator. There isn’t much of a difference except for personal preference.

 

[Jardian]

I think it is leaning more towards a change of perspective.

Paraphrasing Wayne Dyer "When you adjust your internal way of seeing things, whether by choosing gratitude, finding a lesson in adversity or harsh situations, or letting go of rigid expectations, the meaning behind your circumstances transforms"

That being said, I believe that the mood and atmosphere you create while doing your practice matter because you, as a practitioner, are the one doing the work. And as you mention, for some people it is Angels, for others it is deities or nature. You need to explore what is best for you. That way, it will be in the "physical realm", and you will gain a different perspective.