Most Potent Form Of Magick

[ky_troll]

Hey … I’m new here, & I just wanted to generally reach out and ask those of who have participated in the magical arts… which style or form was most successful for you?
I have a healthy interest in all of it… and I’m kinda looking to expand my horizons.
Thank You
• HONOUR The Fire •

 

[Accipeveldare]

Hey … I’m new here, & I just wanted to generally reach out and ask those of who have participated in the magical arts… which style or form was most successful for you?
I have a healthy interest in all of it… and I’m kinda looking to expand my horizons.
Thank You
• HONOUR The Fire •

Hermeticism has been the most potent for me. However, Thelema is great too. (If you try Thelema, do Hermeticism first as a baseline, otherwise you wont understand most of it)

I would like to point out, that while Hermeticism is extremely potent for nearly everyone that tries it. The best for me, may not be the best for you. I say, try a variety of things, see what you can mix together. Like the mma, but with magick.

 

[crooktooth]

The most potent form of magick is the one that works. Everyone is different and everyone's path is different, I suggest you explore. Read about some systems of magick and find some that interest you. Try a few practices and see what gives results.

I studied Hermeticism, Ceremonial magick, and some LHP systems before becoming engrossed in chaos magick. Personally I find the freedom and results focus of chaos magick to be what really works for me. At the end of the day it's your journey and your practice, no one else's experiences will be the same as yours.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Hey … I’m new here, & I just wanted to generally reach out and ask those of who have participated in the magical arts… which style or form was most successful for you?
I have a healthy interest in all of it… and I’m kinda looking to expand my horizons.
Thank You
• HONOUR The Fire •

I've been spending many years investigating an actual scientific basis of magic, so my style is self-built, closest to Chaos magic if anything.

 

[akjohnston87]

Hermeticism has been the most potent for me. However, Thelema is great too. (If you try Thelema, do Hermeticism first as a baseline, otherwise you wont understand most of it)

I would like to point out, that while Hermeticism is extremely potent for nearly everyone that tries it. The best for me, may not be the best for you. I say, try a variety of things, see what you can mix together. Like the mma, but with magick.

Great analogy

 

[solxyz]

This question is like asking which shoes are the fastest. You get fast primarily by training (and having natural ability). The right shoes can make a difference, and there have been some genuine developments in running shoe design over the years, but for the most part the best shoe is the one that fits you.

In general, you don't get potency out of the box. Although there are some currents that carry a charge and can help give you a boost at various points in your journey, if you want real potency you have to develop it through practice. So probably the better question is which systems have the depth to carry you for the distance. But you're not going to find any agreement on that. For example, I pretty much despise Hermeticism. For me, Vajrayana Buddism was far and away most impactful thing I've practiced, but these days I'm mostly doing my own thing.

 

[MorganBlack]

Speaking only personally.

Gen-X here and I started before the internet , and gave most approaches a solid college try before finding what worked consistently for me. Only the Grimorium Verum was with me from a young age.

Neville's New Thought and Chaos Magic works great. This is my take from observation - the world just casually shifts to your assumed reality. Most modern magic systems are New Thought / Chaos-Magic-with-extra-steps and a set routine to help you believe in yourself.

And you are so very powerful.

The daimons (used here in a very Neoplatonic sense) of the Grimorium Verum , and Grand Grimoire (the pact-based grims, but others probably too) are also powerful, but are very focused on specific results... like, right there and that spot. They are highly specific and a bit freaky, but also wonderfully weird.

Giving them specific things to do works best, but flexibility for how they get to that specific point works best. They act like intelligent spells and can route around blocks and protections.

Angels and saints tend to work like New Thought / CM in that very gentle way as reality just sort of casually slides into what you imagined. I
recently finished a working with the Shem for my sweetie to help her at work, and it's like the new reality was always that reality. It was not fast, but it was solid. They helped her grow into the person she needed to be to hold the new reality.

The daimons of the grims "are" Underworld , very claws-in-the-guts-of-reality forces and will yank stuff hard - and are very willing to violate other people's free will to do it. This is a feature, not a bug, and will let you fight fire with fire.

Honestly, just solid Hoodoo / Brujeria / witchcraft works great too. Why? I have no idea. I think it's somewhere in the middle. Sometimes I think the patterns used there just have a lot of "quantum precedent" - in a Bernardo Kastrupian sense - and sometime I think of it in animist terms and the spirits /angel of the plants are additional minds helping. And some times both.

 

[agloval]

@MorganBlack Whenever I've tried working with the Grimorium Verum, I haven't had good results because I honestly feel it's written in a deliberately misleading way and that you have to fill in the missing pieces yourself. Do you have any advice or maybe several pieces of advice? Haha

 

[MorganBlack]

Do you have any advice or maybe several pieces of advice?

Agloval, hi!

This should be another thread but start here:
Book – PDF - Rob Rider Hill -'The Little Key to the True Grimoire' (Hadean, 2020)

I have been meaning to write up an Intro to the GV 101 for a long time. I don't want to steer people wrong and am trying to find a good way to talk about it. Why some people have no results has been a big mystery to me. That's why I'm on WF to explore. By now I feel like we should have better suggestions for folks just starting out.

My current working high-level thesis:

You are partially dealing with getting their attention WHILE entering the Story. From the Indigenous American shamanic perspective, without the Story, without mytholgizing yourself, (which is very different from mere egoic identity politics that just enshrine your own trauma) - including your tools and offerings - they can't even see you or the space around you. The story of the grimoires, Solomon, St. Cyprian, Jesu Christo, other divininized magicians and the magicians who came before you ARE the Story. The global stellar astro-theological myths are another layer to the Story.

This is the story I used back in the 1990s. I was just a kid and it was the one that was available to me at the time. Was it a good story? No. But it was enough.

Author - Jason S. Black’s notes from 'Pacts with The Devil' (1993)

The macro-level topic here might be 'Shifting into a Daimonic Universe.' More below. I'd been meaning to post these excerpts from the early 1990's book Pacts with the Devil (by S. Jason Black & Christopher S. Hyatt, Ph. D., New Falcon Press, 1993) as the evocatory bookend to the simple but...

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