My volume of questions - an apology of sorts

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

From my journal:
It is slowly dawning on me, that I ask way too many questions, especially those with no former searching or research provided from my part. My apologies, will try to do so.
Maybe as well its part of the learning process for an Outer Order student, maybe I need to forget anything but what at the time Im undertaking.
Or, it could be that Adepts and Maguses are busy with their own affairs, and common sense approached might be helpful.
Example: How do I contact angels of any kind, commune and fellowship with them, evoking/invoking God for the same purpose.
Why not just pray, read the Bible and go to a Church suitable for your current growth as a denomination (not too much is different among denominations in creeds or statements of belief).

So, perhaps shush myself with a sign of silence, and do some reading and research along with practicing logical sequences of steps of a ritual based on energy management and redirection.


In other words, giving anything a 220% effort before calling it quits or using magic in place of everyday solutions.

 

[Roma]

How do I contact angels of any kind, commune and fellowship with them

Go out into nature and learn to feel/see when a nature spirit is attracted to you

After you have engaged with nature spirits over some months, put your attention to the landscape angel that manages those nature spirits

 

[Bandaboy]

It's good to ask questions, that's how we grow.

About going to church and all, I'm a Christian and I will tell you (in fact, others too will) there is a wide misconception of what 'church' actually means. Church isn't a building or a denomination of people with a preacher, deacons, choir, pews and all. Church is actually becoming one with the body of Jesus Christ through CORRECT water and Spirit baptism; water uniting you with his human aspects and Spirit uniting you with his divine aspects.

Correct water baptism helps you to access, enjoy and experience the physical life of Jesus Christ. Spirit baptism gives you access to God. Most people who claimed themselves to be Christians never had even one of these performed correctly on them. It is an initiation into the Apostolic succession, the gnostic transmission, the spiritual current that Jesus Christ left the people in the upper room after he ascended.

When you receive the Holy Spirit, your subtle body awakens and you can see and communicate with angels and all other spirits including God through your subtle body senses. And just like a baby, you get to grow in those subtle body senses. This will give you success in your magickal work. But without this missing key, you would not see anything beneficial in the structures that claim to be churches today.

 

[Incognitus]

It's important to remember that "angels" and "demons" are just terminology. Most of us are not referring to Christian angels and demons, even those most of the language is wrapped in Christian names and terms. It's framed in this way in grimoires because those authors would've been put to death for heresy.

Honestly, I don't understand all the Christians on here. For a while, my mother claimed to be a "Christian Witch", essentially a "Christian Pagan", and it just made no sense because those belief systems weren't exactly compatible. Pagan essentially means that you're practicing something NOT Christianity, Islam or Judaism. It is, by literal definition, the opposite of Christianity and much of what we talk about here is pulled from various Pagan traditions.

You can't worship the Christian God while asking a Pagan God for things. The Christian God is generally referred to as "loving", however he's also a jealous God. That's just playing with fire, especially if you truly believe. God's punishment is usually self-actualizing.

 

[Roma]

however he's also a jealous God.

Among humans jealousy is regarded as a sign of immaturity.

Is there a God with a higher quality personality?

 

[Incognitus]

Is there a God with a higher quality personality?

It's easier to control people when you tell them some all knowing, all seeing entity will get really mad at you if you don't obey the church. The original authors of those books in the Bible couldn't help but attribute negative human emotions to a supposedly perfect God. Curious, that.

 

[KjEno186]

It's easier to control people when you tell them some all knowing, all seeing entity will get really mad at you if you don't obey the church. The original authors of those books in the Bible couldn't help but attribute negative human emotions to a supposedly perfect God. Curious, that.

I'm certainly not an expert on Gnosticism, but isn't the negativity of YHVH attributed to it being the Demiurge? It would not surprise me that thousands of years of adoration has made YHVH quite powerful, perhaps even comfortable in its position. As such, I would not argue against someone making the choice to adore YHVH for magical reasons.

However, according to what I read on one Gnostic web site, The True God sent Jesus to save humanity from the evil world of the Demiurge.

The Gnostics referred to God as “the One,” “the One Who Is,”[1] “the Great Invisible Spirit,”[2] “the Unknown Silent One,”[3] “the Abyss,”[4], “the non-being God,”[5] and other such deliberately mysterious designations.

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What to believe? The Gnostics could certainly be wrong. I don't take the Tanakh or the Christian New Testament literally anymore. There are enough contradictions and internal inconsistencies in all of it that have fueled the creation of an endless number of sects throughout known history. Just from an objective reading of the stories, it's easy to see how the priesthoods jealously guarded their job positions and incomes, often fighting rival factions for control of actual wealth and magical power. Of course, the winners always wrote the histories and told you who the "good guys" were. They could make up anything bad about the losers, and you might never know the difference. They were also opportunistic in finding ways to increase their power using the irrational natures of people. It always struck me how many tribal peoples seemed to smile a lot and lacked shame. Then along comes some Abrahamic religion which tells them to feel shame, nudity and sex are "sin," and by the way, our priests need your money/time/sacrifices or you'll go to a place of eternal torment. That's quite a business model!

Oh, and if you're curious how one atheist sees Yahweh, look up the animation channel of Darkmatter2525 on YouTube. Some of it is quite hilarious. I'm not saying I believe everything he has to say, but it's food for thought.

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

Everyone knows the Bible has been corrupted, and was in fact used for a place of control, we need look no further than the Spanish Inquisition to apply the point here.
However, my reasons for doing so is to get contact. If he is the one blocking me from contacting others, than I go directly to him and see whats good.
Also, I want his blessing to work with his angels, to restore my life to a place within the will of God in terms of qualities most humans respect, and those qualities drive the good life. Of course we can say this is bullshit, as I know of Black Magicians who live a good life not being good, but a good lifestyle.
Or, I stick to some boring routine and hope it yields a benefit after a year or two, maybe a decade of climbing the tree of life.

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

YHVH or YHVH Elohim is also the ruler of the sphere of Saturn and Binah. There is a lot to learn in this sphere alone, and curious how close it is to Chikmah (heavens), and is also tied to Earth and tav (Lord of Heaven and Earth?).
Since he is closely tied to Tav, it is also logical I look toward that source in order to get authority to travel through Tav.
Both Qoph and Shin are blocked for the Neophyte.

 

[Bandaboy]

Our opinions will always remain opinions until we help our selves by actually invoking the spirit in question.

Some say seere from the goetia appears like an angel, others say like a bea
beautiful lady. For me, he/she/it appeared as a lawyer and one well versed in the laws of nature, man, and the rest of the universe both corporeal and incorporeal.

There's a certain subjectivity about working experiences with the beings we summon. They can never be Gospel truth unless we try to become a religious leader. I may like slim girls and you may like thicker ones.

 

[Mider2009]

More like you our ignore advice, second we are on our own journeys and aren’t experts

going to church may be participating in a group mind, group ritual and connecting to God via the collecting power of that group, but when ones in church and everyone’s praying yet thinking of other things then that may weaken the connection, many even Orthodox Jews choose to pray alone, so BandaBoy is correct

There are several ways as he mentioned that one can attune themselves to righteousness but its Said one must prepare the body to be able to receive holiness, diet, proper living, etc.

 

[Mider2009]

YHVH or YHVH Elohim is also the ruler of the sphere of Saturn and Binah. There is a lot to learn in this sphere alone, and curious how close it is to Chikmah (heavens), and is also tied to Earth and tav (Lord of Heaven and Earth?).
Since he is closely tied to Tav, it is also logical I look toward that source in order to get authority to travel through Tav.
Both Qoph and Shin are blocked for the Neophyte.

The God names are different names for the same God...do not make the mistake of treating them as different gods

 

[Mider2009]

It's good to ask questions, that's how we grow.

About going to church and all, I'm a Christian and I will tell you (in fact, others too will) there is a wide misconception of what 'church' actually means. Church isn't a building or a denomination of people with a preacher, deacons, choir, pews and all. Church is actually becoming one with the body of Jesus Christ through CORRECT water and Spirit baptism; water uniting you with his human aspects and Spirit uniting you with his divine aspects.

Correct water baptism helps you to access, enjoy and experience the physical life of Jesus Christ. Spirit baptism gives you access to God. Most people who claimed themselves to be Christians never had even one of these performed correctly on them. It is an initiation into the Apostolic succession, the gnostic transmission, the spiritual current that Jesus Christ left the people in the upper room after he ascended.

When you receive the Holy Spirit, your subtle body awakens and you can see and communicate with angels and all other spirits including God through your subtle body senses. And just like a baby, you get to grow in those subtle body senses. This will give you success in your magickal work. But without this missing key, you would not see anything beneficial in the structures that claim to be churches today.

I think it takes time to see other spirits, I’ve told him multiple times we “see” spirits differently, one sees them via cards, another through a scrying mirror, and others hear them, it’s rare to see them

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

I guess it is time to get a crystal ball or a black mirror. Now that my current rent has been paid, I have some breathing room for temple supplies.

 

[Roma]

I have some breathing room for temple supplies.

I am reminded of New Testament statements along the line of:

• the kingdom of heaven is within
• seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and all these others will be added to you

I am not sure where temple supplies are required

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

Oil for the lamp, some use oil to annoint for healing.

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

Perhaps gray Magick is in fact my calling.

 

[KjEno186]

Perhaps gray Magick is in fact my calling.

Why do you say that?

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

Well, I'm a Libra sun, Leo moon, and Scorpio rising. True Neptune is in my first house, and Mars in my third, but still, I think for a Scorpio Ascendant with Neptune sitting in the first house, is kind of telling.
I dont want to deal with Black Magick, but Im not so sure about taking on Abramelin at the moment, cause Im working through public and private issues including sexuality (not in a bad way, not a rapist or pedo here, not addicted to porn like I used to be). I admit Im mentally ill, but not in an uncontrollable or unmanageable way, as long as I take medications.
So, not sure about me being super pure overnight.
Its just a lot easier to summon demons than angels, or so it appears to me at this stage anyway.
Was just a bit bummed thinking about having to essentially live like a Rabbi or a Priest, not that its bad to be one, I am just not sure about that undertaking at this stage. Maybe I was just a tad frustrated trying to wrap my head around living a 180 all of a sudden.

 

[KjEno186]

The mystical aspects of initiation are a different story. Imagine a private club that you want to enter. You knock on the door and the bouncer, who doesn’t recognize you because you’re not on the list of people allowed in, sends you away. Then, a person who knows both you and the bouncer comes up and introduces you to each other. From that time on you are a welcome guest in the private club. In this little story, the introduction to a higher, stronger force in the form of a bouncer, was your initiation. In reality, the mystical aspects of initiation not only introduce you to higher powers (or, if you prefer, your Higher Self), but also cause spiritual, emotional, and physical effects within you, which allow you to be easily recognized in the future by the higher powers.

There is another way to cause the inner changes that allow this recognition. You could go up to the bouncer day after day, week after week, and month after month if need be, talk to the bouncer and bring him presents and friendship until finally, without a third-party introduction, the bouncer allows you into the club. The way that this can be done is through faithfully performing the three keys to succeeding with the work of this course: practice, practice, practice.

This is from Modern Magick by Kraig. Are you sure you're not just trying to rush things along? You know, "lust for results" and all that?