Book Discussion NAP Elubatel concerns

[Wannabewizard]

I bought the paperback New Avatar Power with a view to use it for healing the mind and body primarily, but need to fix everything practically for a regular (magical) life.

The spirit in question of concern to me regarding my concern is Elubatel. I gave it some thought after reading reviews over the net about it, and then it came to me. It's an egregore!
That's what makes it so hard to give up.
I am concerned about depression having been through this already, I dont really want that back.
My worldview is shifting, in that I can't change it, but I can change my world and my part in it. I am not here to save the world (christian viewpoint) but to engage with it. Or not

I have already been through much of the loss I could be afraid of losing that Elubatel may actually involve.

I already am forming my own take on this and have the horrific experiences to back it up. It will burst most people bubble about how the world really is, if they will hear it, but it is not about disaster.

I say it is a lot like a game I discovered recently, Kenshi.
You are nothing. You are no-one. You are not special. But the potential for greatness is there, if you persist.
If it's actually worth it all, well, that is something else.

The human condition is negative with the possibility to improve. The positive is largely forgotten. It only takes a little negative to seem massive.
So I would like to try out NAP, but have my concerns. It's as though I already have been exposed to Elubatel.
Any 'safety' tips?
I would be interested in your Elubatel experiences.

 

[Yazata]

According to the dictionary of Angels Elubatel is one of the 8 Angels of Omnipotence from the 6th and 7th Book of Moses.
I did the ritual from NAP with him once but got no result, also no bad things.

 

[HoldAll]

There is a book in the Library called "The Angels of Omnipotence", and while I'm unable to take the author seriously, he may have aggregated pertinent information from more serious sources so it may prove useful to you. Additionally, there's "Secret Angel Magic" by Adam Blackthorne/GoM, another 'pop magic' tome (but so is Geoffrey Gray-Cobb's NAP), where he combines the Angel of Omnipotence (incl. Elubatel) with Éliphas Lévi's genius spirits in order to make them more 'safe', so here's an answer to one of your questions right there.

Furthermore Blackthorne writes:

It might come as a shock to find that The Genius Spirits and The Angels of Omnipotence aren’t spirits in the usual sense. While they are real, conscious, and even have personalities (of sorts), and a strong sense of reality, all these spirits were crafted by people. They are servitors, conscious beings, threaded together by occultists to forge a direct connection to the greatest Angels and Archangels.

Blackthorne has a chaos magic background which is presumably why he came up with that servitor theory but pursuing a line of thinking similar to yours, I guess you could call them 'egregores' instead of 'servitors' - in one of his recent "Empowered" books, Damon Brand confesses that he thinks that ALL spirits are egregores, if I remember correctly, which would constitute one step away from the Spirit Model into the Direction of the Psychological Model.

In his NAP Geoffrey Gray-Cobb used all kinds of magical lore in a 'defanged' version, e.g. a truncated Bornless Rite, as well as some really obscure kabbalistic angels such as Zoroel and Sabriel. He still has his fans who maintain that all those cheesy success stories are a crucial part of his system of magic to be effective. If you think that some particular method he proposes is questionable, do some research and go to the sources. Being an Angel of Omnipotence, Elubatel is thought by many to be controversial while his money-making spirit Nitika continues to be popular. It's a mixed bag, NAP is.

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EDIT: I might have had Adam Blackthorne's revelation in mind when I wrote that Damon Brand thought all spirits were egregores. He seems convinced in all of his numerous books that angels objecitively exist as independent entities so I may have been wrong there.