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about Hitler's rise to power and the supernatural things that happened to him. He supposedly met an astrologist, and he gifted Hitler an ancient mandrake. That mandrake was a demigod or demon that Hitler summoned and this helped Hitler rise to power. Additionally, six million Jews were sacrificed to that deity for more power, however later on Hitler disobeyed the god and was doomed. That was all I could find about Hitler's rise to power and I want to learn more about the Nazi occult, if you have knowledge about this please share it I would like to learn more!
 

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You might try reading Miguel Serrano's "The Ultimate Avatar," or Nimrod de Rosario's "Elements of Hyperborean Wisdom." These provide a corrective to National Geographic's fairly tales.
 

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For the term "god" it may be better to substitute "alien"

Apparently the first modern ufo crash/gift to Germany was about 1913 - and by about 1925 there was an operational prototype.

Maria Orsic and her alien contacts were central to the early 20th century developments of anti-gravity craft in Germany

George Adamski met Orsic in the 1950s. Apparently she had not aged.

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I think it was just Himmler and Hess at the top of the nazi power structure who had a strong interest in the supernatural. Hitler may or may have not been interested in astrology and got some mystical ideas about the 'Aryan race' from people like Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels but apart from that, he was just a petty bourgeois with a naggin inferiority complex and a gift of the gab. Everything monstrously developed from that once he came to power and I don't evev think he imagined all the atrocities he would later commit when he started out as a politician (the ideas in 'Mein Kampf' were just outrageous fantasies at the time). To really understand Hitler and why people went along with his regime you have to remember that Hitler was the head of state of the Reich, not some sinister monster plotting 24/7, so people just shrugged off his foibles (which included some pretty horrible stuff like his war-mongering and anti-semitism) and said to themselves, he's the boss so what can you do? He was indolent and liked to sleep late, loved cake and boring his innermost clique with endless speeches well into the night. Pretty pathetic guy with delusions of grandeur. If you like some occult conjecture about Hitler, you might want to read books like Trevor Ravenscroft's "The Spear of Destiny" which I think is conspiracy crap.

Hitler came to power because of the volatile atmosphere of the Weimar Republic where anything could happen politically. Hitler relied on his talent for rethoric as well as a well-oiled propaganda machine that the other parties lacked. I rather think that Hitler disliked irrationality Ohis logic was twisted enough without any occult influence) and that he thought people like Hess with his extreme esoteric ideas were deluded. For example, you could claim that the ancient symbol of the swastika was what gave the nazis power but I think that Hitler just liked the design, end of story.

You could endlessly speculate that occult forces were at play with regard to any dictator or even democratically heads of state but there is a certain dark mystique about the nazis, for example the black uniforms of the SS, something other power groups lacked, but that doesn't mean Hitler was a diabolic wizard or something. Just about the only mystic notion he hld were ideas about a Germanic 'master race' as well as some kitschy romanticm influenced by Richard Wagner's operas. Himmler was the driving force behind nazi occultism, and Hitler only gave him free reign because he was so useful, what with his fearsome SS and highly efficient Gestapo.
 

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Hitler was a diabolic wizard or something. Just about the only mystic notion he hld were ideas about a Germanic 'master race'

And yet human behavior around Hitler was strange.

For example, Rommel was losing the war in North Africa and went to see Hitler to explain what was happening on the ground. Hitler influenced Rommel so that Rommel thought he would win. The peculiar state of mind of Rommel lasted a week into his return - when he returned to reality and lost.

In another direction, compare the shape of Hitler's ears in 1918/19 with those in 1923. What causes such a change?
 

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And yet human behavior around Hitler was strange.

For example, Rommel was losing the war in North Africa and went to see Hitler to explain what was happening on the ground. Hitler influenced Rommel so that Rommel thought he would win. The peculiar state of mind of Rommel lasted a week into his return - when he returned to reality and lost.

In another direction, compare the shape of Hitler's ears in 1918/19 with those in 1923. What causes such a change?
I have really no idea about Hitler's ears, that's the first time I hear about such a discrepancy.

Rommel was ambitious and obviously basked in his success and the nazi hero worship but was always plagued by supply problems in his African campaign, not least because the Allies sank so many of his supply ships in the Mediteranean. I think that Rommel may have believed in Hitler's pep talk for a while but when he saw that no reinforcements and new supplies were forthcoming, he just threw in the towel (or was it his successor when he was already in France as the inspector general of the Atlantic Wall? I'd have to look it up). Nothing supernatural there. I think he trusted Hitler at first but then began to harbor more and more doubts.

And I agree, Hitler made people do strange things. He may have thought about the final solution, for example, but did not elaborate it in the minutest detail - that was Himmler's and Heydrich's work. It's downright uncanny how he inspired people and brought out the worst in them, and he probably carefully selected only the gullible for his inner circle (and excluded the 'unbelievers', like most of the Army general staff, except Keitel maybe). And he made one grave mistake in Germany's prosecution of the war after another. That's why I find conspiracy theories so amusing, they always suppose that grand master plans of secret societies are executed without a hitch while in reality, there is so much infighting, bickering and gross incompetence within all organizations that almost nothing ever goes to plan. The nazis were just more efficient than most (as opposed to the Italian and Spanish fascists), which helps create all these ridiculous ideas about the source of their power.
 

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And yet human behavior around Hitler was strange.

For example, Rommel was losing the war in North Africa and went to see Hitler to explain what was happening on the ground. Hitler influenced Rommel so that Rommel thought he would win. The peculiar state of mind of Rommel lasted a week into his return - when he returned to reality and lost.

In another direction, compare the shape of Hitler's ears in 1918/19 with those in 1923. What causes such a change?
Wow, really? My football coach convinced us we would win each week. In four years we went 7-23 win/loss.

Leo DeGrelle---who received the Ritterkreuz at Hitler's hands, and met him on a number of other occasions---denied there was anything at all to Hitler's charm than, yes, charm.
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Start with the writings of David Irvine and Ernst Zundel.
 

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Wow, really? My football coach convinced us we would win each week. In four years we went 7-23 win/loss.

Leo DeGrelle---who received the Ritterkreuz at Hitler's hands, and met him on a number of other occasions---denied there was anything at all to Hitler's charm than, yes, charm.
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Start with the writings of David Irvine and Ernst Zundel.

Hitler also had bad halitosis, probably because his bad teeth, nevertheless he charmed some people such as Winifred Wagner, for example (and Eva Braun of course). In all other respects, I attribute his 'charisma' to the fact that he was nazi head honcho, and a certain kind of people will always suck up to men of power. I don't think he was an exceptional kind of being, just a febrile visionary right after WWI, a reckless pragmatist once he assumed power and then a drug-addled lunatic towards the end of WWII.
 

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Amazing he got the job after his performance in WW1
His officers had high praise for Adolph's courage; little regard for his apparent leadership potential.
As Hitler himself said of his career in the Weimar Republik days, "I was never the man who was needed, simply the man who was on hand."
 

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He got awarded the Iron Cross for bravery, otherwise he had been just a PFC and a runner in WWI which is why most of the Prussian officer elite (except Ludendorff after WWI and the ever obsequious Keitel) looked down on him. He always distrusted them and simply took over when they proved too hesitant in their military thinking. He was no military genius and never knew how to call quits when the situation got hopeless. Nevertheless, his frontling experience in WWI gave him some credibility with the veterans who voted him into power.
 

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some things that come up:
vril society
inner earth
antartica
the hunt for artifacts
bmw with space saucers
dna research and upgrades in the mundane and spiritual
 

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Greetings to all, I watched this short clip on
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about Hitler's rise to power and the supernatural things that happened to him. He supposedly met an astrologist, and he gifted Hitler an ancient mandrake. That mandrake was a demigod or demon that Hitler summoned and this helped Hitler rise to power. Additionally, six million Jews were sacrificed to that deity for more power, however later on Hitler disobeyed the god and was doomed. That was all I could find about Hitler's rise to power and I want to learn more about the Nazi occult, if you have knowledge about this please share it I would like to learn more!
Because the allies ensured that actual Nazi ideology received limited, very controlled airtime in the West ("we wouldn't want anyone to wonder why one-day, out of nowhere, Germany went berserk for absolutely no reason whatsoever"), an enormous amount of what has been written about Nazi ideology, including its relationship with the occult, is nonsense. The clip you describe seems to fall soundly into that category.

Nicolas Goodrick-Clarke wrote about this in-depth in the last chapter of The Occult Roots of Nazism (a must read for anyone interested in this subject) where he describes the "sense" that many people have of there being something magical and occult about the Third Reich. Because the occult dimension of Nazism hasn't been explained properly, the gap has been filled with stories about Antarctic UFOs, the Ark of the Covenant and, now, apparently, shapeshifting ears.

In reality, the esoteric aspects of Nazism were well integrated into the ideology itself. The character of that esoterism is indicated by some of the Nazi Party's earliest interests:
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(strong laws by our standards, simply unheard of in the 1930s), (re-)establishing a
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and making the legends and folktales of the Brothers Grimm
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As might be guessed from this, Nazi esoterism conceived of man as a manifestation of a natural world which is, in itself, magical. As in ancient Germanic paganism, the magic which runs through nature like a live current may be tapped through powerful means such as the runes, folk traditions and the veneration of animals, forests, mountains, nature and life itself. Sometimes this state of union with nature was symbolised by that favoured symbol of the Nazis,
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. All of this was politically radical and the Nazis were aware of that; they considered modern humanity to have totally lost connection with nature and thought them trapped in ever-abstract, "anti-nature" Jewish ideologies such as psychoanalysis and Marxism. Marxism especially, with, at this time, its obsession with factories, equality and disregard of personal purity, was regarded as the ultimate in anti-nature confusion. For some Nazis, including Himmler, Rosenberg and possibly Hitler, Christianity was also seen in these terms, as a Jewish ideology which weakens Europeans and separates them from their natural instincts.

The remanifestation of ancient Germanic ideas was thought to begin with Paracelsus and his vision of a numinous natural world. The alchemical idea that man has an important role in bringing the physical world to a state of perfection undoubtedly had an influence too. From Paracelsus, the remanifestation passed into the Romantic movement and, from there, into
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, the primary source for Nazi esoteric ideas.

I would strongly recommend the following books to get a deeper understanding of what motivated the Third Reich:

Essential:

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by C. G. Jung
The Occult Roots of Nazism by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke
Metapolitics by Peter Viereck
Hitler’s Secret Sciences by Nigel Pennick

Recommended:

The Atlantis of the North by Jurgen Spanuth
For Freedom Destined by Franz E. Winkler
In Search of the Indo-Europeans by J.P. Mallory
Teutonic Mythology by Jacob Grimm
The Secret of the Runes by Guido von List (recommended only after you've read Goodrich-Clarke - this is a dangerous book)
The Occult and the Third Reich by Jean-Michel Angebert
Hitler’s Secret Conversations by H. R. Trevor-Roper
The Voice of Destruction by Hermann Rauschning
Heinrich Himmler’s Camelot by Stephen Cook and Stuart Russell
The Myth of the Master Race: Alfred Rosenberg and Nazi Ideology by Robert Cecil
The Myth of the Twentieth Century by Alfred Rosenberg
National Socialism: Its Principles and Philosophy by Carlos Videla

Contextual:

Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler (James Murphy translation only)
The German Legends of the Brothers Grimm by the Brothers Grimm
Children's and Household Tales by the Brothers Grimm (go for Jack Zipes translation of the Grimms first, unsanitised edition)
The Spear of Destiny by Trevor Ravenscroft (take with a pinch of salt)
Read a good off-the-shelf history of the Third Reich and WWII; Ian Kershaw is very readable.
 

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Given its proximity to this subject, in my longer post I perhaps should have mentioned the 'Hexenkartothek' project as a legitimate area of Nazi occult investigation. Very little has been written about it because Himmler had its papers destroyed as the allies approached Wewelsburg castle, but it was an SS research project into the witch-trials in Renaissance Germany. From what has survived, it appears as though Himmler saw the persecution of witchcraft in Germany as an attempt by the Catholic Church to commit genocide against Germans by exterminating German women. Interestingly, one of the major witchcraft interrogation centres in Germany was Wewelsburg, the castle which Himmler made the spiritual headquarters of the SS.

Along with the Cook and Russell book mentioned above, Stucke and Siepe's book Myths of Wewelsburg Castle is worth reading. For more on the ways in which Nazi esoterism manifested itself in political ideology you can add the following to the list:

Animals under the Swastika by Jan Wolf Mohnhaupt
The Hard Facts of the Grimms' Fairy Tales by Maria Tatar
Animals in the Third Reich by Boria Sax
The Green and the Brown: A History of Conservation in Nazi Germany by Frank Uekoetter

Rune Might: The Secret Practices of the German Rune Magicians by Edred Thorsson is a practical guide to using runes as they were used in Germany and Austria in the late 19th century.
 

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Himmler might have been hyperbolic there, but certainly witch trials were aimed at extinguishing folk-religions, whether Germanic, Celt, Slav or what have you. Interestingly, I first recall hearing this from a stridently obnoxious Habermas-clone/radical feminist/vegan/alternatively life-styled professional student when I was an undergrad. She too was holding forth one day in a coffee shop on campus how witch trials were neither religious nor judicial but calculated oppression. She badly undercut her point , I thought, by giving the total number of deaths at several million per century in Germany alone. But hey, why criticize? Some folks like pulling numbers out of the air, 6 million say.
 
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