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NewAge as The Other

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Very good questions.

As much as I believe this critique is valid, I'm sure a similar roasting can be made about us, the "other" magicians, the hardcore occultists and magicians that we believe to be. I always think of Gurdjieff's advice "put an end to your antipathy and get closer to people that you want to reject". I would rather sit down with a new age adept and connect, read cards, have a laugh, go for a walk, exchange experiences. I'm reminded of another powerful thought of Italian writer Leopardi: it is not difference that repulse us, but the similar, the near-identical. This thought has proliferated in the arts as the Doppelgänger. In the other, we see aspects of ourselves, of our shadow. We need to face our doppelgangers and understand them, get closer to them.

Exactly. My idea was to use Othering not as a means of exposing NewAgers as naive cultists or spiritual consumerist sheeple (ok, I admit bashing them is fun, too) but to discover which traits distinguish us from them and if we aren't making some of the same mistakes they make. So far, we've e.g. established a higher degree of critical thinking as one of the major differences. I also wanted to add 'seriousness' but still grapple with the words how to express the idea - no doubt they consider themselves dead serious in what they do and believe, after all. Are we more pragmatic, maybe? Prepared to read more scholarly books (or more books period) and do online reseach? More reluctant to let go of common sense before diving straight into mysticism? I've already described the typical NewAgers aversion to magic, I wonder what they think about LHP practicioners...
 

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First and foremost, that video was hilarious.
NewAgeism just grinds my gears because of the scam artists involved. What was once an art form of tarot is lessened to cheap (nvm… anyone remember that “Cleo” psychic on tv?)
^ people like that… it seems to draw those types in. Or those psychic mediums on tv.
People that are naive and highly suggestible get taken in by scam artists more so in the new age because they have something to “preach” or a new “shifting” that’s going to occur subsequently a new book or course on working with crystals. It seems a bit cultish and fake. If you get enough followers to sell the bs to then you win the new age game yayyyy.
Just remember “Cultivate gratitude by watching your attitude” ✌️ ❤️ 🌞 and all that.
🙄 be happy have fun but ffs it seems the more materialistic a person is then the more they try to make up for it by being “spiritual”. (Spiritual is in quotes due to me not knowing wtf they think spiritual or spirituality means, but I do know Starbucks would make bank if they tried to capitalize on it)
 

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First and foremost, that video was hilarious.
NewAgeism just grinds my gears because of the scam artists involved. What was once an art form of tarot is lessened to cheap (nvm… anyone remember that “Cleo” psychic on tv?)
^ people like that… it seems to draw those types in. Or those psychic mediums on tv.
People that are naive and highly suggestible get taken in by scam artists more so in the new age because they have something to “preach” or a new “shifting” that’s going to occur subsequently a new book or course on working with crystals. It seems a bit cultish and fake. If you get enough followers to sell the bs to then you win the new age game yayyyy.
Quoth Peter J. Carroll in "Liber Kaos":

When I hear the word "spirituality", I tend to reach for a loaded wand. Most professionally spiritual people are vile and untrustworthy when off duty,
simply because their beliefs conflict with basic drives and only manage to distort their natural behaviour temporarily. The demons then come screaming up out of the cellar at unexpected moments.


"Loaded wand", impossible to forget that expression... or all those channelled books! Here we are in this day and age where even
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, and people still take such made-up crap seriously. What I especially hated was the saccharine inane prose of that stupid Pleiadian channel, and it looks like
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. Jeez!
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First and foremost, that video was hilarious.
If I remember correctly, the credit for that video goes to @Pyrokar who recently used it in a reply.
 
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Quoth Peter J. Carroll in "Liber Kaos":

When I hear the word "spirituality", I tend to reach for a loaded wand. Most professionally spiritual people are vile and untrustworthy when off duty,
simply because their beliefs conflict with basic drives and only manage to distort their natural behaviour temporarily. The demons then come screaming up out of the cellar at unexpected moments.


"Loaded wand", impossible to forget that expression... or all those channelled books! Here we are in this day and age where even
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, and people still take such made-up crap seriously. What I especially hated was the saccharine inane prose of that stupid Pleiadian channel, and it looks like
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. Jeez!
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If I remember correctly, the credit for that video goes to @Pyrokar who recently used it in a reply.
Reminds me of James Jones in "From Here To Eternity." Talking about a sadistic bully stockade guard one gent says, "Fatso Judson is a killer. But if you asked him if he was good, he'd say yes. Why? Because ever since he was little people told him to be good." The same thing goes for "spirituality." I get drunked up and pork my neighbor's poodle? Hey, it's "crazy wisdom manifesting itself." Don't be such sticks in the mundane mud.
 

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Here we are in this day and age where even
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I'd never heard this acronym before. Reading Wikipedia, I've had a couple of these, but it was always in the context of what I was doing already. And there were no non-human entities involved. Or if there were, they didn't say diddly-squat to me. I don't think that 'Eureka!' moment has to be given another special name.
and people still take such made-up crap seriously. What I especially hated was the saccharine inane prose of that stupid Pleiadian channel, and it looks like
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. Jeez!
I had a look at that website, and to quote Groucho Marx: "From the moment I picked up your book, to the moment I laid it down, I was convulsed with laughter. Someday, I intend reading it."

"There's nothing like her on the planet!" - somehow I doubt that.
 

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Scholars of various disciplines use "the Other" or "Othering" as "viewing or treating (a person or group of people) as intrinsically different from and alien to oneself" (dictionary definition) often as a way to distinguish oneself from persons or groups considered inferior, for example in the context of colonialism with the ruling colonisers looking down, and discriminating against, the 'primitive natives'.

I've noticed such a tendency myself when it comes to New-Age bashing, which I'm ashamed to say (ok, not so ashamed) I enjoy no end because I used to run with that crowd for a couple of years on account of my then yoga teacher girlfriend, and boy, did I meet some space cadets and seriously deluded wackos back then… You might have noticed that I don't have very much compunction to resort to Othering but jokes about
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aside, it helps to me to define what I'm actually about in the occult arena and what I definitely don't want to be seen dead to do, think or believe because it would too much smack of NewAgeism.

Now the standard scholarly work on what NewAge really means in Wouter J. Hanegraaff's "New Age Religion and Western Culture" (which I'm hesitant to share because it's not an easy read, interminable footnotes on every page, etc. although the guy writes entertainingly for a serious author) but I haven't read it yet and don't want to engage in a scholarly discussion about what NewAge really is or hear about outrageous love&light specimens that make you cringe for days. Instead, I would like to engage in some creative Othering and use that shamefully discriminatory tool to find out if we share some common ground with 'them', maybe weed out some prejudices (and create new ones ;)), or identify beliefs or pratices even NewAgers would find weird or incomprehensible.

I'll start: It's not entirely true that NewAgers sport rose-tinted spectacles all the time and want to live in a world where all is sugar and spice and everything nice. It was my observation at that time that some of them definitely were prepared to look closer at their less-than-spiritual side and engage in some sort of shadow work (Jung used to be held in high regard, no surprise there). At the same time, they seemed to be deathly afraid of magic in all its forms, even of the most pious white-lighter variety. Affirmations were ok, various 'healing' (= guided relaxation) too, but no rituals, please, spare the innocent! I wonder now if this was a holdover taboo from the days of all-pervading Christianity where praying to the saints for intercession was ok but anything more than that a demonic iniquity.

So: How are we in this forum different from all those NewAgers (except that we don't want to be like 'them')? Is it a readiness to engage in critical thinking and use common sense where appropriate? A habit of doing more thorough research? A willingness to actually interact with the numinous instead of just passively believing in it?
To me it was a ex magician of Golden Dawn who explained to YouTube why High Magick is very powerfull and why New Age is what it is, I even see New Age in now a day Mexicos Catholic church, I also know about New Age because of my mothers sisters, I never really wanted to be like them, they where a little bit coo koo.
 

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I do use some aspects of the new age in my own practice, it’s not all a dud but when someone “pretends” to be new age spiritual it bothers me… I go on some Christian channels and some are New Agers that were into all that stuff, crystals, yoga, tarot ext and then they go and demonize it.

They say they were leaving Jesus or god and worshipping devils smh. 🤦‍♂️


I don’t believe in cultural appropriation unless they adopt the culture and pull a 180 to demonize it to verify their own new found beliefs and that is absolutely sickening and it shows how big of a pos some often can be. They aren't spiritual, they’re scared and going through a faze.
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