Occult version of MLM

[Morell]

By the way, Noctlius is not a "made up entity", he is one of the original dark gods and not to be toyed with, as he likes to mess your life up - take that from someone that has worked with him.

I would like to learn here. Tell me what historical sources are there for Noctulius?

 

[Sabbatius]

I would like to learn here. Tell me what historical sources are there for Noctulius?

From what I found, Noctulius is: 1) a Northern Italian Celtic Deity and 2) in the O9A, the King of the Sphere of the Moon, Night, Death Magic and Vampirism, which is probably where Blackwood pulled the name from for some semblance of credibility.

 

[Morell]

From what I found, Noctulius is: 1) a Northern Italian Celtic Deity and 2) in the O9A, the King of the Sphere of the Moon, Night, Death Magic and Vampirism, which is probably where Blackwood pulled the name from for some semblance of credibility.

I think you are right. I would honestly think that O9A is the origins of Noctulius, but if you know that he is some celtic deity, then he is. Though I agree, that Blackwood found him in O9A materials, I read both and I definitely felt that the texts are kind of similar.

BTW you sure he is celtic? He is not in the Wiki list of celtic deities.

 

[Sabbatius]

BTW you sure he is celtic? He is not in the Wiki list of celtic deities.

Virtually everything I read on Noctulius from Academia- essays and papers have Brixian and Celtic origins for Noctulius being found in Gaul and Northern Italy. Whether or not modern Celtic practitioners recognize Noctulius, most Celtic practitioners ignore anything outside of the British Isles with few exceptions like Cernunnos and, amusingly, Janus- who is as Italiano-Romano as Parmigianio Reggiano. It very well may be lost the actual source for Noctulius as there is little to no evidence on practices or origins. It is like, as I mentioned Cernunnos, virtually no documentation for Cernunnos as even being associated with the Celtic pantheon except for a bowlwith an image of a Pan-like horned figure sitting cross-legged and hooved. Yet I can pull up books upon books for Cernunnos on practices, Wiccan and Druid, on how to perform rites, services and rituals, though no history except a carved face with a butchered name on a stone marker and a bowl is all there is to the entity's existence.

Outside of Blackwood's Noctulius: He Who Devours, there are zero texts on practices for Noctulius. So this is breaking new ground for a lost entity.

 

[Darkat]

Yes, I had read somewhere about Noctulius being of Celtic origin - possibly Gaul.
However, I have worked with him before as an ex-member of O9A, which I agree is probably where N. D. Blackwood picked him up from.
There are 2 other texts on Noctulius other than O9A texts and N.D.Blackwood - V.K.Jehannum has a short book out on him., and T.L.Othaos has a book out based on O9A teachings that covers Noctulius.

 

[Sabbatius]

Yes, I had read somewhere about Noctulius being of Celtic origin - possibly Gaul.
However, I have worked with him before as an ex-member of O9A, which I agree is probably where N. D. Blackwood picked him up from.
There are 2 other texts on Noctulius other than O9A texts and N.D.Blackwood - V.K.Jehannum has a short book out on him., and T.L.Othaos has a book out based on O9A teachings that covers Noctulius.

Well now I have to do some actual hunting for texts.
VK Jehannum will be an interesting read. Honestly he seems to be more rugged and stoic in his more recent musings. I believe VK Jehannum failed a few sanity rolls in his Cthulhu Mythos checks recently.

 

[afflictedWanderer]

That is nothing new, in fact his entire system is repackaged from Tempel ov Blood who's leadership admitted to have originally created it as exactly that: An occult MLM scheme siphoning energy from the "unworthy voluntary opfers" into the "blood pool". May sound too social-darwinist of me, but I approve of that, people know what they're getting into, and most of the time they are attracted by the empty promises of being empowered to harm other people, so I guess they are going to fuck around and find out, and some wouldn't survive the "find out" phase. These "vampires" are similar to people who set up pedophiles trying to meet up with children, just to rob and abuse them, it may be true that most of the time people doing that aren't moral beacons themselves, but it's not like the "victim" can call the police on them, as even the victim knows that they got themselves in this situation by attempting to hurt others. Ad Gaia, qui laetificat juventutem meam!

I would like to learn here. Tell me what historical sources are there for Noctulius?

For the entity Blackwood claims to be affiliated with? ONA MSS, as well as a few internet articles by it's initiates, there's nothing else, as Noctulius originated in the ONA and his further reinterpretation as a god of vampirism originated in it's American offshoots. I'd also point out that ONA's original MSS are intentionally vague when it comes to describing the Dark Gods, encouraging the reader to contact these entities themselves to "Fuck around and find out", so if you want something concrete, look into materials by Hagur, Ryan Anschauung, V. K. Jehannum, Draugr Coven of Azanigin or basically anything that is related to the ONA but isn't exactly a part of AL's corpus of works.

BTW you sure he is celtic? He is not in the Wiki list of celtic deities.

It's been a while but I only ever remember him being mentioned as a Celtic deity once, in some old dictionary of Latin terms, with no footnotes or links or anything similar, and these old dictionaries are at times full of random nonsense.
It's not entirely impossible, there are many minor deities that are only mentioned once and known by their titles in foreign languages, Scythian Ares and Celtic Cernunnos are the most well known victims of that phenomenon, the later, by the way, being heavily associated with the ONA's Noctulius, perchaps there was in fact a deity of Celtic origin known to the Romans as Noctulius and mentioned once, in passing, in some document I won't bother looking for, but there definitely isn't a connection between him and what modern wannabe dracular attempt to invoke, though these people do tend to obsess with obscure celtic gods, a courtesy of Ryan Fleming, a certified British patriot and a serial child molester. The name itself may also be entirely invented, when coming up with a name for an ancient god it's very easy to just say "yeah this evil cult worships the uhmmm... Night... guy... yeah Night guy of the night, and they only worship him at night because he is the Night guy"
However, a certain fellow connected the name Noctulius to Nyktelios, an epithet of Dionysus, associated with secretive initiatic rituals, which is perfectly in like with ONA's Noctulius, and sounds entirely realistic to me, knowing of DM's interests in Greek mystery schools, besides there already existing a direct parallel: Another ONA god Sauroctonos is also named after an epithet of a Greek god, this time Apollo's. I understand Noctulius as a name for Dionysus, and I dont recall him ever denying that or correcting me.
I also very clearly remember there being a wine brand Nyktelios, not sure if it's any good, but perchaps instead of trying to drain their neighbors of energy, Mr. Blackwood should drain a bottle of Nyktelios of it's contents once in a while.