PGM & Greco-Roman-Egyptian Spells

[WonderFire]

I think you're right and those symbols and drawings are meant to make it more targeted. I found it works great alone as a verbal prayer, and haven't used anything physical to root its power except a candle. Like a couple other spells, this one benefits from practicing it a couple times. By the end of the week, reciting it every other day, it felt "trained" enough to root its power in the aura. It may not need that for you!

Awesome, I'll try it out.

 

[mike2030]

Is there any audio pronunciations?

 

[WonderFire]

Could anyone here recommend a good practical book, or set of spells from the PGM? I've read the Stephen Skinner tome is not very practical.

I don't think there's any one-stop place for PGM. Check out Digital Ambler's site for some rituals (it was linked earlier in the thread), under "occult" menu and then under "classical hermetic rituals". Also, a lot of his other work seems to be inspired by PGM, but like many other practitioners a lot of it isn't "pure" PGM. Anyway, this thread is shaping into one of the better resources out there.

Is there any audio pronunciations?

I don't think there's any real consensus on how all voces magicae (barbarous words) are supposed to be pronounced because they could come from different languages. They could even be glossolalia or in cases of long strings of vowels indicate some type of vocal performance without semantic meaning.
I use classical Greek pronunciation because I'm most familiar with it, but ancient Greek had dialects and they have differences with each other as well, so there's no guarantee I'm pronouncing it like the scribe did, especially if they used Koine Greek.
However, here's one guy who uploaded his pronunciation of some rituals. He uses different dialect than I do, but there you go:

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[agloval]

Hi @ashlesha

Thank you for sharing this. I noticed you mentioned that targeted work “doesn’t always go well,” and that caught my attention.

Would you be willing to share a bit more from your experience? For example, in what kinds of cases has this spell worked well, and in what kinds of cases has it failed, backfired, or produced unclear results?

I would be especially interested in knowing what to realistically expect: whether the results tend to appear as increased attraction, contact, dreams, emotional shifts, opportunities to meet someone compatible, or something more subtle.

Also, when it does not work well, do you think the issue is usually the target, the operator, the timing, the wording of the petition, or the fact that the work is too specifically targeted?

Thanks again for sharing your notes. I appreciate the practical field-report side of this.

 

[ashlesha]

Hi @ashlesha

Thank you for sharing this. I noticed you mentioned that targeted work “doesn’t always go well,” and that caught my attention.

Would you be willing to share a bit more from your experience? For example, in what kinds of cases has this spell worked well, and in what kinds of cases has it failed, backfired, or produced unclear results?

I would be especially interested in knowing what to realistically expect: whether the results tend to appear as increased attraction, contact, dreams, emotional shifts, opportunities to meet someone compatible, or something more subtle.

Also, when it does not work well, do you think the issue is usually the target, the operator, the timing, the wording of the petition, or the fact that the work is too specifically targeted?

Thanks again for sharing your notes. I appreciate the practical field-report side of this.

For a lot of your questions, it'll be way too case specific to really tell. Magic works on probability shifting, and if the context you run into someone never has the foundation for a relationship to blossom, then love magic will usually fall flat. Conjuring these spirits to raise the chances of meeting someone you like, while you go to parties and events every day of the week, will give your magic a much higher chance of it working. Sometimes things go great because you were already going to be at the right place at the right time, and the magic just adds fuel to the fire.

For signs of what to expect, it can be any of those you mentioned. When conjuring spirits, I usually expect a dream or a change in my mental state in the days following. Sometimes this is a good way to track when the influence begins to taper off in cases where things didn't work out.

For the factors you listed for when it doesn't work out, the answer is again all of the ones you listed. You may not be an effective magician (yet!), the timing may be off for any probability to be influenced, the wording could be too vague, or even too specific and choke out other potential pathways of manifestation. Sometimes the spell just has to be repeated at regular intervals to keep pressure on the focus. Sometimes the entire process has to be reworked because it doesn't make sense for what you're trying to do.

When it comes to targeted work, there isn't actually anything wrong with it from a technical perspective. In fact, you have a directly measurable result. The problem from what I've seen is that when using especially compelling spirits and forces, is that the type of people that gets brought in by this aren't really the types you would want to date or be with for a long period of time. They were easily forced by a spirit to do what you want, which indicates some weak points in their psyche. They end up obsessed, ravenous, and just sort of annoying to me. The breakup from these situations are also a headache. That's just for love magic though.

But say for targeted wealth work, or getting someone to like you for a business meeting, then you may not care at all about any of those factors! Who cares if a business partner is obsessed with you, they'll end up making you more money and want to flatter you! Targeted curses make way more sense than a broad attack on people who oppose you. Targeted spells on bringing dignity and praise to you in professional situations can make you elevated in the eyes of managing/executive people who matter, rather than subordinates or interns.

Jason Miller's book the Elements of Spellcrafting will go over all of these with much greater detail, and I think it's the book you need for the questions you have. Beyond study, just try the spells out and see what happens! I don't believe in spells as one-off miracle workers, I see them as exercises that benefit from being repeated until you get a better feeling of what gets conjured with it, and how to direct the force. Same with spirits and relationships with them. Try a spell every day and see if you start feeling different with it, then start focusing what you feel on a particular object or situation, and observe if it changes. Don't try changing the spell or target too much until you see movement, you're exercising the movement of consciousness along probability, which is a very subtle practice!

 

[agloval]

Thank you for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully!

 

[ashlesha]

Divination Spell
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Adapted from her own devotional prayer to Hephaistos with the first half of PGM IV 1596-1715, also with PGM Va. 1-3 and bits of PGM XII. 160-78.

Hail Hephaistos, Divine Smith, Lord of Subterranean Fire.

It is your calloused and ever-dutiful hands that built the palaces of gold and marble, exalting the glory of the gods. From the world’s great orb, to the seas that ring the globe, to the sky that hangs above, no beauty eludes your craftsmanship. The majesty of the Theoi are yours, crafted painstakingly for your brothers and sisters, for heroes and kings— a statement to last the eons, enduring the death of stars and turning of the ages. You breathe life into metal, you breathe souls into statues. Whether it be the maidens, the bulls or the horses of brass and iron, it is your flame that kindles their souls. O, Lord of the Dragging Footsteps, toiling and pouring sweat over the forge and furnace; you are the Lord of Creation, a smith on reality’s anvil. Halting Lord of Quiet Dignity, only your metal-bright mind, like the silver glint of a blade, could be sharp enough, shrewd enough, to bind the Queen of the Gods. You bargained your way into power, and earned your seat upon the throne.

Hail Helios, Celestial Titan and Lord of the Solar Fire.

Fire’s dispenser, world’s far-seeing king. O Helios, with noble steeds, the eye of Zeus which guards the earth, all-seeing one, who travel lofty paths, O gleam divine, who move, through the heaven, bright, unattainable, born long ago, unshaken, with a headband of gold, wearing a disk, mighty with fire, with gleaming breastplate, winged one, untiring, with golden reins, coursing a golden path, and you who watch, encircle, hear all men. I invoke you, Helios. I invoke you, Hephaistos-Helios. I invoke you, the greatest god, eternal lord, world ruler who are over the world and under the world, mighty ruler of the sea, rising at dawn, shining from the east for the whole world, setting in the west. Come to me, thou who risest from the four winds, joyous Agathos Daimon, for whom heaven has become the processional way. I call upon your holy and great and hidden names, which you rejoice to hear! The earth flourished when you shone forth, and the plants became fruitful when you laughed; the animals begat their young when you permitted.

I invoke you, the greatest in heaven:

EI LANKHYKH AKAREN BAL MISTHREN
MARTA MATHATH LAILAM MOUSOUTHI
SIETHO BATHABATHI IATMON ALEI
IABATH ABAOTH SABAOTH ADONAI
The Great God ORSENOPHRE
ORGEATES TOTH ORNATESA KRITHI BIOTHI
IADMO IATMOMI METHIEI LONKHO’O
AKARE BAL MINTHRE BANE
BAINKHKHYKHKHOUPHRI
NOTHEOUSI THRAI
ARSIOUTH ERONERTHER

The shining Helios, giving light throughout the whole world!
You are the Great Serpent, leader of all the gods, who control the beginning of Egypt
And the end of the whole inhabited world,
Who mate in the ocean
PSOI PHNOUTHI NINTHER
You are he who becomes visible each day
And sets in the northwest of heaven, and rises in the southeast.
Fiery, EPHAIE, Hephaistos, who is shining with fire, brightly moving, ANANOCHA AMARZA MARMARAMO
O Helios BERBELOCH CHTHOTHOMI ACH SANDOUM ECHNIN ZAGOUEL, bring me into union with you,
And show me a vision of [insert petition].

Anoint yourself and wait for streams of images, information, etc on the information you asked about.