Recommendations for non-newbie

[Wintruz]

A good deal is asked here by those new to this terrain. Practically nothing is asked by those who have reached the stage where the next step in their work is to teach and transmit. This is something I am increasingly interested in but... I have been around the dancefloor enough to know that a lot of people are more interested in wasting their own time and mine than in serious work. That leaves me with a bit of a conundrum...

My own LHP initiator recently slipped off this mortal coil and I came to thinking about transmission (the order through which I was initiated is in a shambolic state and cannot be recovered). The time is right, the question for me is the vessel. A while ago, on WF, I set out a Vampyric curriculum and I turned this into a handbook for the tradition that I received. In essence, it is the book I wish I had when I started out. I have genuinely attempted to distil the very best into something no-nonsense (no Qlippoth, no Goetia, no rants about "mundanes", no LARPing) and potent. It has a four stage, thirteen-lunar-cycle-long initiatory process, a kind of Book of Shadows where practices that are connected with the vampire archetype are set out for use and experimentation (along with my notes on trying them), a reading list, a few essays and some honest Heart to Heart advice for those who are suited to the work. I'm not hawking the book here but I am interested in what to do with it. As I see it, these are my options and I'm interested in hearing what others may think:

1. I Remanifest a very small, free "Order" (I wouldn't use the word order but you get my point) and transmit directly to initiates who I think are suited. This allows me a kind of quality control (I would get to gatekeep who comes in) and asking that someone turns up in person eliminates the non-serious. There is something deeply appealing about the idea of finding three or four high quality people, pouring my energy and time into them and saying "Now, take this further than me". There's also the advantage of a living transmission, virtually offline and initiates having each other (which is more than I got... "I would have killed for tapa tapa tapa"). The downside is that I wonder to what degree the idea of an order is Old Aeon gameplaying, of no use anymore or in the very near future? I'm not interested in creating a business or running this like the
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   but something much quieter and focused. Still, whether an offline order is a viable thing in 2026 is something that I'm interested in hearing opinions on.
2. The ONA approach: found an order but essentially as a publishing house that releases the material freely while still belonging to a tradition. The upsides are that this reaches the maximum number of people who might benefit (including those who can't just jump on a plane to England or Italy at will) and they get to test it out in their lived experience, which is all that matters. The downsides? Precisely those of the ONA: anyone can then speak "for" a tradition which they may not have even put into personal practice properly. There's also the frustration of pouring love and lifeforce into something for it to enter yet another PDF collection and collect digital dust.
3. I professionally publish. This is on the table. A well-known occult publishing house has expressed some interest if the manuscript is edited for a wider audience. It would mean watering down but would, again, reach more people than a select Order would and it would exist in the social world in a way different than "copyleft" ONA texts. The major downside is that I, a very private person, am then associated in the public mind (and someone would find out my name, that's how the internet works).
4. Something else? I am open to suggestions.

I am aware that, once it's out, I cannot control what happens and where it goes. I'm prepared to surrender. I suppose I just want to ensure as clean a transmission as possible. Thank you for your time and thoughts.

 

[Nembra]

It's not that I've never considered transmission but honestly I don't think I even value it enough to get ambitious about it. Interesting.

Anyway, the first option might be the dream, but you'll certainly have difficulty finding the "right" initiates if you don't have at least some reach. Maybe a mixed approach?

 

[Keldan]

The passing on knowledge is never fully controllable. The best you can do is choose an option that minimizes distortion at the critical early stage. You can create an artifact that future serious people can work with, even if everything else degenerates. And accept that some will misuse and misinterpret it.

I used to help people through the basics when they were first learning about magick. Over time, I noticed a recurring pattern that many of them were not actually doing the work. They kept asking more and more questions. Even after I answered multiple rounds of their questions, yet their practice itself did not deepen or progress.

Based on those experiences, I choose option 4, which is not to pass on knowledge. If someone truly wants all of my knowledge, they can seek me out after I’ve left this world. Summon me, and I will gladly answer anything they ask. At that point, two important conditions will already be met. They have a huge desire to learn and that they want the knowledge badly enough to reach across worlds and planes to find me. And the very act of successful summoning proves they have the necessary abilities to put what they learn into practice.

So I no longer invest in those who only want to talk about magick but don’t practice. I reserve my knowledge for those who are willing to work for it and have the power to use it. You should also accept that the real legacy is not the PDF, the book, or the order’s name, it’s the few people who actually do the work and carry it forward.

 

[Kepler]

Reading the words Vampyre curriculum and not concluding LARPing immediately seems like gaslighting oneself.
But deeper concepts from the description can be recognized under the metaphor with the inclusion of a concept of calcination implied during early transformation of the initiatory process.
That there is even a process at all that puts the initiate in an idealised space is good to see after the responses in the initiatory how-do-i-know-for-sure-i-have-reached-malkuth thread from the posts speaking with the absolute certainty of knowing fuck all about it from experience.

Adjacent to that
For option 2/3 Intellectual honesty in the form of the text showing self-questioning of its own conclusions would lend credibility better than pointing out its questioning of other's conclusions to validate itself.
To show regular objectivity to build deeper reader trust with active mitigation against confirmation biases that create artifacts for the reader to remove to get to the gold.
It's not a popular thing to do nowadays among certain cultures as pretending absolute certainty is seen as showing great confidence rather than covering up insecurity, but it would depend on the audience aimed for and the narrative. If serious introspective seekers are the audience then...

Also non-initiate traps. That doesn't mean mistakes, typos, or anything unintended. That means the author having a comprehensive understanding of the nature of the subject of initiation and its path within its model. That another following the path will arrive at the same place and recognize something that isn't included or inverted that should be corrected. Providing a way to distinguish the poser and reduce their influence while exercising and strengthens the Powers of the Sphynx for all legitimate initiates.

 

[Wintruz]

If serious introspective seekers are the audience then...

Also non-initiate traps. That doesn't mean mistakes, typos, or anything unintended. That means the author having a comprehensive understanding of the nature of the subject of initiation and its path within its model. That another following the path will arrive at the same place and recognize something that isn't included or inverted that should be corrected. Providing a way to distinguish the poser and reduce their influence while exercising and strengthens the Powers of the Sphynx for all legitimate initiates.

This is a good point. The difficultly though is time. Well-intentioned but inexperienced seekers can spend a long time having to cut their way through the brambles at the best of times and that's without being purposely waylayed. My approach really is to present a distillation (with the notes, if they want them, as to why I think certain things should be distilled and others not and the "storeroom" I worked from and processes involved) and then hope that others use it well/better. In that sense, my approach is closer to Gurdjieff than Crowley.

It is, as you've picked up on, a transmission beneath a set of symbols which makes that transmission compelling to a certain kind of personality (given the Vampyre archetype, a personality that's playful, emotional and sensual - you could argue that, in contrast to the manifold Solar-Mercurial types of magic, this is magic for Lunar-Venusian types, weighted by Saturn). That transmission can lead the person to a paradigm ("all life is energy") which increases their engagement with life and the pleasure they derive from life and which leads to states of consciousness which expand and transform the self over time.

Thinking through your response though has made me conscious that the subjective experience itself cannot be induced. You can lead a horse to water, you can tell her to drink but you cannot tell her what it tastes like for her. Remembering that may well change how and whether I release this - thank you for the inspiration!

 

[Frater M.M.]

1. I Remanifest a very small, free "Order" (I wouldn't use the word order but you get my point) and transmit directly to initiates who I think are suited. This allows me a kind of quality control (I would get to gatekeep who comes in) and asking that someone turns up in person eliminates the non-serious. There is something deeply appealing about the idea of finding three or four high quality people, pouring my energy and time into them and saying "Now, take this further than me". There's also the advantage of a living transmission, virtually offline and initiates having each other (which is more than I got... "I would have killed for tapa tapa tapa"). The downside is that I wonder to what degree the idea of an order is Old Aeon gameplaying, of no use anymore or in the very near future? I'm not interested in creating a business or running this like the
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   but something much quieter and focused. Still, whether an offline order is a viable thing in 2026 is something that I'm interested in hearing opinions on.

Anyway, the first option might be the dream, but you'll certainly have difficulty finding the "right" initiates if you don't have at least some reach. Maybe a mixed approach?

Yeah, it seems to me 1 could be the ideal option. I have no idea if people want offline orders now but if it were me I'd probably use a gradual funnel approach, see who is interested and work up to it. Maybe start with short online articles and have discussions, then offer a short 10 week course with one lesson and exercise a week (or whatever) on here or some other website, then maybe have a small weekly online zoom group for 10 weeks that you run/teach with a bit of homework each week, then maybe later organise an actual one-day offline workshop and then finally set up an offline (or hybrid offline-online) order with probationary periods, etc. And at each stage, use it as a gate to filter out people till you're left with the handful of people genuinely worth teaching who won't waste your time.

 

[ZSLMH]

Write it all down, pen and paper. Preserve it. I am in the process of doing the same. But I will never share it publicly. You mention a "Book of Shadows." That is not something you publish.

A great lesson I learned was that you STFU about Occult/Esoteric work, always. I wish you the best, but exposing yourself to create an "order" or publishing a book is not the best strategy, IMO. We're all different, but I noticed significant setbacks the one and only time I was open about my practice with people not in the community. A grain of salt.

Knowledge transfer is best done one to one. If a protege doesn't find you, perhaps you aren't ready to share yet? (No shade meant to you!)

 

[HermesX3]

Hello there, sorry for your loss, and congratulations for bringing this up here.
I'm sure you miss the Order but the teacher student relationship has to be real. I'm sure that those who really want to learn from you will get in touch either by their own will or by a casual encounter. I've had the most success with those whom I started talking about this and that and over time their questions and stories become more deeper. So, don't force it. And those that you feel/know that are just hanging on there and not doing the work it's better to minimize and then break contact with. It's not worth wasting your energy on people who either just want to socialize and are not serious or are incapable having the slightest shred of self disciple and accountability to themselves.

On the topic of publishing, you should definitely do it either under a pen name or by self publishing or asking a friend or an associate to publish the materials, so you can pass on your hard earned knowledge, without sacrificing your privacy and peace of mind. On the material itself, I wouldn't water it down or modify anything. Take it or leave it as it is. It is not blanket statement, you can go over it once and explain this or that or expand a little on a more obscure topic, but don't let it take over your life. Good books on real vampyrism are few and far between. The easy to find publicly available books are really dumbed down and are rehashed from the well know TOV materials of the Vampire Bible or some obscure form of satanism. I'm sorry to say how much people lack the imagination and even the desire to be creative and grow past the introduction...to energy work.

 

[Morell]

My old occult work, that I made and formed into pdf is already in the library. The truth is, no one will feel, see or understand it the way I do. Watering it down or not doesn't really matter much. If the text will help someone on their own unique journey, then it is going to be enough. I might one day write something about vampiric path myself... or not. Who knows.

Share it as you feel will be the best guide for others. they will not become copies of you anyway...