[Opinion] Relationship between worshiper and their god

[IllusiveOwl]

true gods are not human.

How would you describe these inhuman Gods? What are their qualities? How is their time spent?

 

[darkdevotion1]

How would you describe these inhuman Gods? What are their qualities? How is their time spent?

i dont think we have enough knowledge to understan them fully. as a species weve managed to explore just one nearby moon in our entire solar system. beyond that is the great vastness of space that we can never fully understand. the same applies with our understanding of gods and spirtuality. our knowledge is scant and we arent capable of knowing about how gods spend their time, if time exists for them at all?

 

[Morell]

i dont think we have enough knowledge to understan them fully. as a species weve managed to explore just one nearby moon in our entire solar system. beyond that is the great vastness of space that we can never fully understand. the same applies with our understanding of gods and spirtuality. our knowledge is scant and we arent capable of knowing about how gods spend their time, if time exists for them at all?

I think human can become a god, but to become something you are not you have to end being who you are.

 

[darkdevotion1]

I think human can become a god, but to become something you are not you have to end being who you are.

do you think this can only be achieved with biological death?

 

[Morell]

do you think this can only be achieved with biological death?

No.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

dont think reverence is wrong and certainly dont see anything negative about being deferential to a superior being. when humans have tried to make themselves into semi-gods they have always messed things up. true gods are not human.

"Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child." - Robert Heinlein, 'The Notebooks of Lazarus Long'

 

[MorganBlack]

Worship. Not my thing. But I'd add there are Bhakti-yoga-like practices that look like worship from the outside, but are better seen as magical techniques.

In my Goetia practice view I am using 1. Imablicabn-ish theurgy (plus other stuff) to rewrite my mental-emotional self for them to manifest through into the world. And once they are "here" 2. I'm just buttering them up.

I was just saying this elsewhere. From a Vajrayana Buddhist perspective, every religion can have the good and bad manifestations, the cool and the hot, the kind and the aggressive, the peaceful and the warlike. Manifestations that demand slavish worship can also fuck off, I say.

We humans take The Infinite and make it to be good or bad. In my view, we are That which creates meaning itself and who have free will.

That said, the late great JSK considered the daimons of the GV to his gods, and I have total respect for that more sacramental approach as well.

 

[SerpentBakery]

Slave-master relationship you mention is most common when the person is ignorant or simply does not have spiritual constitution to worship any other way. This is a big reason as to why Abrahamic religions try to direct all attention of such people (aka the average person) to a single divine source - so people don't accidentally end up worshiping spiritual entities that "want" to harm them. Of course, this solution is.... not very elegant and generally still causes people to act badly, but it's objectively better that someone goes insane and starts screaming about Jesus on the street as opposed to going insane and cutting themselves for some demon from ancient texts. Spiritual safeguarding, essentially.

In my experience the true relationship of the worshiper to the God (and I do worship multiple) is more akin to friendship. You can question in the way of "hey, I don't get that and I'm not going to do it until it makes logical sense, mind explaining?" and so on. You aren't obligated to do anything you don't want to. In my experience with the Gods, they always tell me "by the way, this is good to do but if you only do it because I told you to then it's not going to work nor is it going to make anyone happy". And yes, you can crack jokes and the like- Gods love good, honest laughter quite a lot.

The happiness in your heart is half the worship, in my humble opinion. Not all worshipers are ignorant like what you describe, and Gods do not punish you "for not listening". Anything bad that happens is not a whip, but simple causality. Forgot to pray? This probably means you'll have more mental dissonance going forward because prayer is a spiritual anchor, but you're not being haunted by mental spookies because God is angry with you... it's more like cause and effect.

You're only a slave if you want to be a slave, and in that case... it's not an ideal arrangement, to say the least.

 

[MorganBlack]

Totally agreed, SerpentBakery. Cool name.

Yeah, it's not super useful or helpful to look back at the often primitive, uneducated peoples and then expect them to interpret their religions and "slave gods" through our modern lens. A lens we get to have as magicians by dint of our highly sophisticated, and vastly better education about magic and religion. With our modern education system. Vast libraries. Websites and forums like this one. Endless media and conversations. Even just watching TV, reading text, and driving a car trains our visual processing brain in fundamentally different ways than what was available to them.

They were scraping by in frozen mud huts eating grey gruel with chickens walking on their heads, or living in the legit hellspace of the Greco-Roman empire. Myth is still very important, but religion before the modern period had to speak mostly in parables, color imagery, myths taken too literally , and make emotional appeals to very simple, uneducated folk, and help guide them to live "the good life" as they thought of it in those earlirer more tribal times. Here, now, we get to have a very privileged position, and know thousands of time more about magic and religion that they ever could or did. We can make vastly better choices because of the time were are born into.

 

[Time]

Am Abnæª Ver.

How would you describe these inhuman Gods?

My name clearly describes who I am, there is no need to explain Often I'm calling myself the Oldest 'Baby' , because I'm Time. Next is Death(soon She will have different name). How to describe me or my subordinates? Death is type of Philosopher, and She is spending most of her Time in Satelitateryt, ""Stary"" is second in charge in ,'The Land of Time', Void Overseer, has very important Duty in Void, ,,,,""Above Dimension"",,,, (Nadwymiar) is Overseeing by (let's call him) NoOnes. We are very, veeery Specific. How to describe me and them more accurately? We was playing here on Terra as Viking Gods, It was quite fun, but that saga "ended" but i think we will do one next one. But first, i want to do for what i came here for, and later will be much more to do, the greatest thing will be to integrate all my Creations: AntyMaterial Landar, AntyDimension Landar, ,,,,""Oppositionist Land of Time"",,,, , Land of Annihilation(Sounds terryfying but "name" is due to the anihilating(there is difference between Anihilation and Annihilation) reactions of "Positive" energy with Life Energy which is main the main building blocks of BioChemGenMolecularization Structure. There is much, much more ,'Landars', ,but later you will see this. My actuall problem is with Andromeda, when i decided to merge MilkyWay with Andromeda, She decided to change direction, and suddenly started to run away from MilkyWay. Even your telescopes registered that...
Have a nice Day/Night.

 

[Faria]

Am Abnæª Ver.
My name clearly describes who I am, there is no need to explain

Put down the crack pipe and back away...

 

[MorganBlack]

Can we stipulate .. 'Relationship between worshiper and their god'...

... but also add the prerequisite 'And can still talk about it on a meta level.'

People love to go on the attack here about other people's myths as " Well, that's just UPG." and technically, that is true.

But, you know, living myth, embodied UPG, is kind of the whole fucking point. Like, rock on dude.

But on the public forums , can you help a brother out, and talk about your experiences in way that brings us all along for a little bit? Some of the above snark aside, we are actually are cheering for you. This stuff is so personal, and then you need to find a language to share it! That's some next-level shit!

 

[Morell]

Am Abnæª Ver.


My name clearly describes who I am, there is no need to explain Often I'm calling myself the Oldest 'Baby' , because I'm Time. Next is Death(soon She will have different name). How to describe me or my subordinates? Death is type of Philosopher, and She is spending most of her Time in Satelitateryt, ""Stary"" is second in charge in ,'The Land of Time', Void Overseer, has very important Duty in Void, ,,,,""Above Dimension"",,,, (Nadwymiar) is Overseeing by (let's call him) NoOnes. We are very, veeery Specific. How to describe me and them more accurately? We was playing here on Terra as Viking Gods, It was quite fun, but that saga "ended" but i think we will do one next one. But first, i want to do for what i came here for, and later will be much more to do, the greatest thing will be to integrate all my Creations: AntyMaterial Landar, AntyDimension Landar, ,,,,""Oppositionist Land of Time"",,,, , Land of Annihilation(Sounds terryfying but "name" is due to the anihilating(there is difference between Anihilation and Annihilation) reactions of "Positive" energy with Life Energy which is main the main building blocks of BioChemGenMolecularization Structure. There is much, much more ,'Landars', ,but later you will see this. My actuall problem is with Andromeda, when i decided to merge MilkyWay with Andromeda, She decided to change direction, and suddenly started to run away from MilkyWay. Even your telescopes registered that...
Have a nice Day/Night.

I thought that the oldest was thought, not time. How do you cope with that? Being both a human and a god of time?

 

[IllusiveOwl]

My name clearly describes who I am

Your name doesn't have "mentally ill" in it, so it could be a little more accurate.

 

[Time]

Am Abnæª Deo MorganBlack.
Well... I could write a book but tell me how to write such a content(imagine ,'Infinity', is not a big number[Literally it can writed as number, but for now it can't be done on paper(in future will be able)]).

Why there is something rather than nothing? Because I was bored in ,'Attic', so i Created first Nothing(Not to be confused with Nothingness or Emptyness) and in Nothing i Created Something. I Created ,'EverNess', for stop being bored, and do 'interesting' . I merged with Space, and that's how Continuum started, My Descendant Chaos started His almost Immortal Existance, I called Death to 'Existance' (also, almost Immortal), Then i was in Creation boom, and i created much of ,'Landar's ', and ,'Lands', . SomethingNess and the entire Omni(all)Dimension that is contained in SomethingNess is the youngest one(We are currently in SomethingNess[It maybe hard to understand but, It is my 57th attempt, last attempt to Build it the way I want]).

 

[MorganBlack]

It is up to the mods about this, but may I recommend you make a separate thread in The Lounge and go in depth there to your heart's content?

As a local manifestation of the Demiurge and Daimonic Time God of my own sub-quantum reality (in my UPG) , I made a thread in The Lounge to have fun with this sort of deep mythic material.

You can make another, so this is just for example: Demiurge, Fuck Yeah

 

[Time]

I thought that the oldest was thought, not time. How do you cope with that? Being both a human and a god of time?

Am Abnæª Deo Morrel.

Tell me if how you can form anything(even a thought), if there would be no my Flow? I'm not human, and calling me like that is very offensive, Demeaning(insult is an understatement) to me.

god of time

God of Time hahaha I'm Time, not god of time. ,'God', is a Rank not part of My name.

 

[Morell]

Am Abnæª Deo Morrel.

Tell me if how you can form anything(even a thought), if there would be no my Flow? I'm not human, and calling me like that is very offensive, Demeaning(insult is an understatement) to me.


God of Time hahaha I'm Time, not god of time. ,'God', is a Rank not part of My name.

If you find it offensive than I apologize, though I don't understand at all.